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Bush's Public Approval at New Low Point (1 Viewer)

danarhea

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31%. Only 3% to go before he ties Nixon at the time he resigned. On issues.........

Iraq - 29%
Economy - 28%
Foreign Policy - 27%
Immigration -26%
Gas Prices - 13%

Stick a fork in the Bush administration. Its done.

Article is here.
 
danarhea said:
31%. Only 3% to go before he ties Nixon at the time he resigned. On issues.........

Iraq - 29%
Economy - 28%
Foreign Policy - 27%
Immigration -26%
Gas Prices - 13%

Stick a fork in the Bush administration. Its done.

Article is here.

Done? Hardly we get the pleasure of nearly three more years of this...umm, stuff.
 
Pacridge said:
Done? Hardly we get the pleasure of nearly three more years of this...umm, stuff.
Maybe, just maybe when the Dem's are elected to office this November and control congress there'd be an impeachment to which case Bush Inc would be out of office. He's certainly proved himself worthy of impeachment on a number of issues.
 
Don't y'all know, any poll that has President Bush with a low approval rating is biased and has a flawed methodology.
 
You guys can dream all you want. Personally don't see it happening. I've gone over it district by district. IMHO I have better odds on the lottery this weekend...or any weekend for that matter.

Even if the Dems did pick up enough seats to get a majority in both bodies, they still wouldn't have the pull to throw team Bush completely out of office. That's a big "if." More likely, but still highly unlikely, is they pick up a majority in the house...by one or two seats. Not enough to toss a sitting President.

Course as always I could be wrong.
 
Pacridge said:
You guys can dream all you want. Personally don't see it happening. I've gone over it district by district. IMHO I have better odds on the lottery this weekend...or any weekend for that matter.

Even if the Dems did pick up enough seats to get a majority in both bodies, they still wouldn't have the pull to throw team Bush completely out of office. That's a big "if." More likely, but still highly unlikely, is they pick up a majority in the house...by one or two seats. Not enough to toss a sitting President.

Course as always I could be wrong.

Even Republican pollsters are saying that, barring a miracle, they lose the House this year. The Senate is a different story, and the Republicans likely will keep it, although they stand to lose maybe 2 seats. The good news is that the days of the Bushneviks are over. The next GOP candidate for president most likely will be a Conservative instead a RINO.

As for impeachment, if the Democrats take back the House, which is likely, they go that route at their own peril.
 
danarhea said:
Even Republican pollsters are saying that, barring a miracle, they lose the House this year. The Senate is a different story, and the Republicans likely will keep it, although they stand to lose maybe 2 seats. The good news is that the days of the Bushneviks are over. The next GOP candidate for president most likely will be a Conservative instead a RINO.

As for impeachment, if the Democrats take back the House, which is likely, they go that route at their own peril.


I'm all ears, got a source for these pollsters? Last I saw it was too close to call in so many places and given the history of people re-electing even the biggest of douches...well I just don't see it happening.

I know RNYU had a source that showed the GOP keeping basically everything. Or was I dreaming that?
 
danarhea said:
The next GOP candidate for president most likely will be a Conservative instead a RINO.

This isn't a criticism....but I am curious about what you mean. Without going into a lengthy discussion...I would be interested in why you think the next GOP candidate will be more conservative than GWB. I see just the opposite. But I guess it all depends on what your definition of a conservative it.

The way I see it - Bush cowtowed so tightly to the radical right wing conservatives that I think he turned off the moderate Republicans and the fiscally conservative Republicans. I think his only support now comes from the socially conservative radical right wing.

The only viable GOP candidate I see is perhaps a fiscally conservative/socially moderate candidate. Otherwise, I think the GOP is in trouble in the next presidential election.

If the party base rejects a moderate like McCain or Guillani and goes with someone like Frist or Warner or Allen, I think they make a big mistake....which is fine by me....I would love nothing more than see them fall into that trap.

But...seriously....I am curious why you see a "conservative" as their best choice.
 
Pacridge said:
I'm all ears, got a source for these pollsters? Last I saw it was too close to call in so many places and given the history of people re-electing even the biggest of douches...well I just don't see it happening.

I know RNYU had a source that showed the GOP keeping basically everything. Or was I dreaming that?
Of course................

Republican strategists said the party stands to lose control of Congress unless the environment changes unexpectedly.

“It’s going to take some events of significance to turn this around,” GOP pollster Whit Ayres said. “I don’t think at this point you can talk your way back from those sorts of ratings.”
From this article.

Posted this thread on it a few days ago.
 
danarhea said:


Unless I'm missing something that doesn't really break it down seat by seat, which I think is where the problem lies. Again I'm more then willing to be wrong here. I know many are unhappy with the GOP and the current admin. doesn't mean they'll vote out their Rep. or Sen. Personally I think the best the Dems can hope for is many people will simply stay home. That could give some Dems the edge here and there, but they need to gain some 16 or 17 seats. I just think they're in for another disappointing election day.
 
Pacridge said:
Unless I'm missing something that doesn't really break it down seat by seat, which I think is where the problem lies. Again I'm more then willing to be wrong here. I know many are unhappy with the GOP and the current admin. doesn't mean they'll vote out their Rep. or Sen. Personally I think the best the Dems can hope for is many people will simply stay home. That could give some Dems the edge here and there, but they need to gain some 16 or 17 seats. I just think they're in for another disappointing election day.

I disagree for this reason. While House elections normally revolve around local issues, the Iraq War, gas prices, and spending are going to make this years offyear elections revolve around national issues. This is where the Republicans will lose the House. I am willing to make a bet, and I have, with NYU. I will win, and I will be 1 for 3 in my bets............... I hope. LOL.
 
danarhea said:
I disagree for this reason. While House elections normally revolve around local issues, the Iraq War, gas prices, and spending are going to make this years offyear elections revolve around national issues. This is where the Republicans will lose the House. I am willing to make a bet, and I have, with NYU. I will win, and I will be 1 for 3 in my bets............... I hope. LOL.

I don't usually bet but...What's the bet?
 
Pacridge said:
Unless I'm missing something that doesn't really break it down seat by seat, which I think is where the problem lies. Again I'm more then willing to be wrong here. I know many are unhappy with the GOP and the current admin. doesn't mean they'll vote out their Rep. or Sen. Personally I think the best the Dems can hope for is many people will simply stay home. That could give some Dems the edge here and there, but they need to gain some 16 or 17 seats. I just think they're in for another disappointing election day.

I am inclined to agree with you. However, I have not lost all hope yet. Historically, progressives in this country, and pretty much any other democracy, hold power about two thirds of the time. Conservatives come to power for short periods when the public feels that progressivism needs to be countered. However, conservatives get very little of their ideals enacted during the times they are in power. Then, after a while, conservatism is rejected, and progressives regain power for a generation or more until the public once again feels the progressivism needs to be countered. The key here is that the public as a whole never embraces conservatism like they do progressive ideals, they only turn to conservatives when they feel that those progressive ideals are moving to fast. Conservatives have been in power for a little more than 10 years now. I would not give them more than 5 to 6 more at most before we see progressives take power for another 40 to 50 years and the cycle will once again repeat itself.
 
Bush has been a disappointment for me personally, but these numbers are questionable at best. First, the economy is great, I am making a killing in the market, and the Dow is about to reach an all time high. Next, the war seems to be winding down, and we are very close to bringing our boys home, yet as long as we remain, so will these numbers. I think the American people are tiring of politicians period, and this reflects most on the head honcho, The President. Just look at the numbers for the Congress, the Senate, damn near every branch, agency, and government entity is not well respected, or trusted. You can continue to point to one man, one administration, but that's a fools path, and just what they want you to do, even the Republicans will be using Bush to make their case in 06. No, our whole system is broken, if not literally, certainly in the eyes of the majority of Americans.:(
 
disneydude said:
This isn't a criticism....but I am curious about what you mean. Without going into a lengthy discussion...I would be interested in why you think the next GOP candidate will be more conservative than GWB. I see just the opposite. But I guess it all depends on what your definition of a conservative it.

The way I see it - Bush cowtowed so tightly to the radical right wing conservatives that I think he turned off the moderate Republicans and the fiscally conservative Republicans. I think his only support now comes from the socially conservative radical right wing.

The only viable GOP candidate I see is perhaps a fiscally conservative/socially moderate candidate. Otherwise, I think the GOP is in trouble in the next presidential election.

If the party base rejects a moderate like McCain or Guillani and goes with someone like Frist or Warner or Allen, I think they make a big mistake....which is fine by me....I would love nothing more than see them fall into that trap.

But...seriously....I am curious why you see a "conservative" as their best choice.

I'll answer for him. GWB is not a conservative. From a failed nation building attempt, to increased federal gov't power, to OUT OF CONTROL spending, GWB is not a conservative in the traditional sense. This is partly why he is losing support form his base.

That and the fact he is a moron and downright poor leader.
 
danarhea said:
I disagree for this reason. While House elections normally revolve around local issues, the Iraq War, gas prices, and spending are going to make this years offyear elections revolve around national issues. This is where the Republicans will lose the House. I am willing to make a bet, and I have, with NYU. I will win, and I will be 1 for 3 in my bets............... I hope. LOL.

You guys can bet on this, as well as a host of other political issues, here:
http://www.intrade.com

The market is currently offering only a 47.5% chance of the Democrats winning back the House, and only a 19.6% chance of the Democrats winning back the Senate. That isn't exactly an overwhelming consensus that "barring a miracle, the Republicans will lose the House this year."
 
Pacridge said:
I don't usually bet but...What's the bet?

If I win, NYU has to wear the Astros logo as his avatar for a month. If he wins, I have to wear the Spankees logo. LOL.
 
Pacridge said:
Even if the Dems did pick up enough seats to get a majority in both bodies, they still wouldn't have the pull to throw team Bush completely out of office. That's a big "if." More likely, but still highly unlikely, is they pick up a majority in the house...by one or two seats. Not enough to toss a sitting President.
I don't think they need to throw Bush out of office... they just need to grow a nutsack and use their newly gained subpoena power.
 
::Major_Baker:: said:
I'll answer for him. GWB is not a conservative. From a failed nation building attempt, to increased federal gov't power, to OUT OF CONTROL spending, GWB is not a conservative in the traditional sense. This is partly why he is losing support form his base.

That and the fact he is a moron and downright poor leader.
He's more like a combo platter of ultra far left and ultra far right policies IMO. Not a Conservative though.
 
Theres a chance the dems will gain control in 06 but its not likely. Probably the republicans will keep it for at least a couple more years. Bush is pushing his base away but I don't think he's pushed them far enough for them to sit at home and wait for the blues to take over. The republicans will hold it in 06 but given a couple more years of Bush's insanity I doubt they'll survive till the end of his term.

I voted for Bush and the republicans last time around because I didn't agree with the stance the democrats seemed to be taking. But now as I see all the things Bush is doing im scratching my head and thinking... wow this dude is supposed to be a conservative?
 
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Heres what you do. You take a piece of poster board about the size of a 3 by 5 index card. On that card you write in big letters BULLSHIT. Then throughout the day if anyone says something that is bullshit you pull out the bullshit card.

Here ya go! I'll make a card up for everybody. Just print it out and put it in your pocket.


BULL
SHIT
 
danarhea said:
If I win, NYU has to wear the Astros logo as his avatar for a month. If he wins, I have to wear the Spankees logo. LOL.

I haven't changed my avatar since I joined.

But if you win I'll change my mood to what ever you want if you change yours to something of my choice. Haven't looked at the options so don't know what that would be.
 
Captain America said:
Here ya go! I'll make a card up for everybody. Just print it out and put it in your pocket.


BULL
SHIT
Hahahahahaha! :rofl
 
Pacridge said:
I haven't changed my avatar since I joined.

But if you win I'll change my mood to what ever you want if you change yours to something of my choice. Haven't looked at the options so don't know what that would be.

Fair enough. We are on. :)
 
I wonder if the fools who voted for this idiot will ever apologize for their grievous mistakes. I can forgive the people who were uninformed about this moron and made the mistake of voting for him the first time. I can not find it in my heart to forgive those fools that voted for him the second time. Those people are totally culpable for what is happening now.

Hard-core conservatives fleeing Bush’s side
Concerns over spending, immigration policy running high, experts say

By Jim VandeHei and Peter Baker
The Washington Post
Updated: 1:00 a.m. ET May 11, 2006

WASHINGTON - Disaffection over spending and immigration have caused conservatives to take flight from President Bush and the Republican Congress at a rapid pace in recent weeks, sending Bush's approval ratings to record lows and presenting a new threat to the GOP's 12-year reign on Capitol Hill, according to White House officials, lawmakers and new polling data.

Bush and Congress have suffered a decline in support from almost every part of the conservative coalition over the past year, a trend that has accelerated with alarming implications for Bush's governing strategy.

The Gallup polling organization recorded a 13-percentage-point drop in Republican support for Bush in the past couple of weeks. These usually reliable voters are telling pollsters and lawmakers they are fed up with what they see as out-of-control spending by Washington and, more generally, an abandonment of core conservative principles.

There are also significant pockets of conservatives turning on Bush and Congress over the their failure to tighten immigration laws, restrict same-sex marriage, and put an end to the Iraq war and the rash of political scandals, according to lawmakers and pollsters.

Coalescing around the base
Bush won two presidential elections by pursuing a political and governing model that was predicated on winning and sustaining the loyal backing of social, economic and foreign policy conservatives. The strategy was based on the belief that conservatives, who are often more politically active than the general public, could be inspired to vote in larger numbers and would serve as a reliable foundation for his presidency. The theory, as explained by Bush strategists, is that the president would enjoy a floor below which his support would never fall.

It is now apparent that this floor has weakened dramatically -- and collapsed in places.

"A lot of us have been like Paul Revere and sounding the alarm for three or four years," said Rep. Tom Feeney (R-Fla.). "Conservatives forgave Bush and Congress for our past mistakes because the war on terrorism was so important . . . but now there is a great deal of unhappiness. What you are going to increasingly see is a divided Republican Party."

Michael Franc, a top official at the Heritage Foundation, said his organization hosted 600 of its top conservative donors last week and heard more widespread complaining about Republicans than at any other point in the past 12 years. "It begins with spending, extends through immigration and results in a sense that we have Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dee for the two parties," Franc said.

Dissatisfaction in the trenches
Ralph Sivillo, a 64-year-old retiree living in Monroe, N.Y., said he started turning against Bush in January. He said Democrats are beginning to look better to him. "I'm really dead against Bush at this point. What's he doing? He's doing nothing. Everybody's just bailing on him because they feel the same way."

"He's not well liked," said Douglas Giles, 47, a self-described conservative from Buffalo. "A lot of people don't think he's very good."

Michael Dimock of the Pew Research Center, a leading polling group, said one of the most striking findings of recent surveys is the growing number of conservatives who "don't see Bush as one of them" as they did earlier. Pew found that Bush has suffered a 24-point drop in his approval rating among voters who backed him in 2004: from 92 percent in January 2005 to 68 percent in March.

Frank Newport of the Gallup Organization cautioned against reading too much into Bush's recent loss of support among conservatives. He said the numbers tend to ebb and flow and must be confirmed over several months before it is possible to conclude the president has suffered irreversible erosion.

Moreover, the public's view of the economy and Washington may have been soured by gasoline prices having topped $3 a gallon over the past month.

Trend worries GOP strategists
But GOP lawmakers and strategists, who have reviewed a series of polls released in recent weeks, said the results confirm what they are hearing from voters: Conservatives are demoralized and defecting in worrisome numbers. The most recent Associated Press poll found Bush had a 52 percent approval rating among conservatives; only 33 percent had a favorable opinion of the Republican-run Congress.

"The problem in my mind, and the only way to explain the very significant erosion is just a disgust with what appears to be a complete abandonment of limited government," said former Republican congressman Patrick J. Toomey, who runs the conservative Club for Growth. Toomey said commitment to smaller government has been the unifying idea for most elements of the GOP coalition since Ronald Reagan's presidency. "Republicans have finally had enough," he said, a sentiment echoed by several other conservative activists and lawmakers.

Since Bush took office, government spending has increased by more than 25 percent, the largest increase under any president since Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson. At the same time, Bush and the Republican Congress dramatically increased the government's role in, and overall spending on, education and Medicare by enacting the No Child Left Behind law and new prescription drug entitlement for seniors. David A. Keene, head of the American Conservative Union, said there is a sense of flaccid leadership at the White House and in Congress that begets "things like frustration, which leads to disgust and apathy" among conservatives.

Unease over immigration
The immigration debate appears to be damaging Bush and GOP lawmakers, too. Conservative voters are saying they want swift congressional action to secure to the border and enforce immigrations laws, but Bush and Congress are split over the best way to deal with illegal immigrants already in the country.

A new Zogby Interactive poll found that fewer than 25 percent of respondents who described themselves as conservative or very conservative approved of Bush's handling of the immigration debate. "Unfortunately, when it comes to controlling our borders, we are about a decade behind where we need to be," said Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-Tex.).

Karl Rove, Bush's top political adviser, and GOP leaders are well aware of the problem and planning a summer offensive to win back conservatives with a mix of policy fights and warnings of how a Democratic Congress would govern. The plan includes votes on tax cuts, a constitutional amendment outlawing same-sex marriage, new abortion restrictions, and measures to restrain government spending.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12729893/
 
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