Bush Weighs Deploying Guard to U.S. Border (1 Viewer)

[danarhea]

Now you're talking, Mr. President. The sooner the better. I will give you 100% of my support on this issue.

Grade? A++++++++++++++ (as long as you follow through on it)

As for the Democrats, Governor Bill Richardson doesnt like the plan. Neither does ersatz Republican (Democrat in GOP clothing) Arnold Schwarzenegger. However, the Governors of Texas and Arizona are for it, and why not? Here in Texas, its a war zone. For those of you who dont think we are being invaded, come on down to Texas for a while and find out just how bad it is.

Article is here.

 

[Binary_Digit]

I agree, this is a good short-term solution. I would even say it's one of the reasons we have a National Guard.

 

[earthworm]

We need a national ID system, and have for the last 100 years. Mexico is forcing us to use this, and we will, maybe in the next century, after Texas, and the whole of our south-west are in Mexican hands.
And our politically correct politicians will wring their hands and wonder what happened.

And the wealthy landowners, the ones who employ and attract the illegals will not like this national ID system - it will force them to be responsible..
I read the Yahoo news about the immigrants and the environmentalists, but nothing of substance was really said..
Yahoo news is aptly named..

 

[Captain America]

Go Mr. President!!

The should make all the ones they capture spend two weeks working on the fence before they are booted out. :rofl

 

[NYStateofMind]

I don't think you'll find many people who would argue that we don't need to secure our borders. Our border security (including our ports) as it stands now is dangerously inadequate. On the surface, this looks like a great idea, in comparison to the complete lack of attention to the issue that this administration has had up to this point.

Unfortunately, I have to disagree that this is a great solution because I am very skeptical that there will be sufficient incentive to complete the plan. I suspect that what will happen is that the National Guard will be deployed, victory will be declared and everyone will move on. No further action will be taken to hire and train more border guards.

Call me cynical, I just think this is an attempt to shut up those who are complaining about border security without solving the problem. I'm very uncomfortable with the idea of using the National Guard for for indefinite duty policing our borders. Remember the problems after Katrina? Many of the National Guard troops that would have been called up for relief efforts were in Iraq. When the next disaster hits, the troops will be in Iraq AND at the border and we will be in even worse shape.

Why not just hire border security guards NOW?

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. Well sending the National Guard is a start, if only baby step towards what needs to be done.
2. I say we build the 30' concrete wall, with glass shards and razor wire at the top of it.
3. With a mote on our side, and a secondary wall 15' tall on this side of the mote.
4. Its time.
5. The place, our southern border.
6. I see no injustice in working those caught on this wall, for a limited time with pay or without, and then warned that they will have to serve another stint on The Wall, if they are caught a second, third, etc.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[Paul]

This may be the first step in securing our borders. I believe the Guard will not be a permanent solution, but at least a temporary one. We might have to spend a little more money to hire more border security, if we are going to be at war with terrorism overseas we need a secure border. I think Liberals, and Conservatives for the most part can agree with that. I have no problem with immigration if it is done LEGALLY.

 

[Kandahar]

Now you're talking, Mr. President. The sooner the better. I will give you 100% of my support on this issue.

Grade? A++++++++++++++ (as long as you follow through on it)

As for the Democrats, Governor Bill Richardson doesnt like the plan. Neither does ersatz Republican (Democrat in GOP clothing) Arnold Schwarzenegger. However, the Governors of Texas and Arizona are for it, and why not? Here in Texas, its a war zone. For those of you who dont think we are being invaded, come on down to Texas for a while and find out just how bad it is.

Article is here.

This is stupid. If Texas is so anti-immigration, perhaps they can just send them to parts of the country where they'd be more welcome. I wouldn't mind Maryland getting its proportional share of them.

That would be a lot better solution than trying to squelch economic growth by deporting them all.

 

[alphamale]

This is a PR stunt for the consumption of conservative idiots. They won't deploy enough to make a difference, and they're doing it at a time when there is a shortage of NG in Iraq, and also for the upcoming southwest fire season. Don't fall for it. Once again, the real answer to the criminal immigration problems is dealing with employers (I had suggested flogging in the town square). You know how in some places they have confiscation of cars and boats if there is any illegal drugs found in them? How about confiscating businesses where illegal aliens are found working? They could be auctioned off, with the proceeds going to the INS border patrol.

 

[Kandahar]

This may be the first step in securing our borders. I believe the Guard will not be a permanent solution, but at least a temporary one. We might have to spend a little more money to hire more border security, if we are going to be at war with terrorism overseas we need a secure border. I think Liberals, and Conservatives for the most part can agree with that. I have no problem with immigration if it is done LEGALLY.

I don't mind trading tighter border security for more LEGAL immigration...it's not a big issue for me, but if we just want to make sure immigrants are documented instead of trying to reduce the number of immigrants, whatever, I guess I'm for that.

But the issue of a "secure border" as a means of fighting terrorism is ridiculous. The US-Canada border is the longest border in the world, and probably the least guarded as well. If I was a terrorist, why the hell would I try to enter through Mexico?

 

[BWG]

This is all about 29%, nothing more, nothing less


Bush budget scraps 9,790 border patrol agents

Officially approved by Bush on Dec. 17 (2004) after extensive bickering in Congress, the National Intelligence Reform Act included the requirement to add 10,000 border patrol agents in the five years beginning with 2006.

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But Bush's proposed 2006 budget, revealed Monday (Feb. 2005), funds only 210 new border agents.

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The law signed by Bush had a caveat that went virtually unreported at the time. A summary, published by the Senate Government Affairs Committee, required the government to increase the number of border patrol agents by at least 2,000 per year, "subject to available appropriations."



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“What you do speaks so loudly that I cannot hear what you say.” – Ralph Waldo Emerson


This is status quo with this administration, I'll tell you what you want to hear, but you don't really expect me to deliver do you? The little caveat on this seems to be a lot like the signing statements GWB is becoming famous for.

Regarding sending in the National Guard, do you send in the ones just returning from Iraq, so they can 'wind down' and 'readjust' or do you send the ones about to deploy so they can 'ramp-up' for combat?

 

[Tashah]

Bush is going to give a speech on this Monday night. He is proposing sending 10,000 National Guard to secure the southern border. I think we should secure the border. However.....

Not sure about using the NG. Many have just rotated back from Iraq. Additionally, what if there is another Katrina catastrophe? Why not just fully staff the US Border Patrol to meet our requirements? This is their responsibility is it not?

 

[LogicalReason]

I think its great that the politicians are actually doing something.. or at least pretending to be doing something. It won't solve the problem but it will certainly help the border states that are being overrun. A more permanent solution would be to increase the Border Patrol by 200%. Build hundreds of miles of walls in hot spots and then use the most advanced technology avaliable to monitor the other portions. I think though that Bush will send 10,000 NGs to the border to appease conservatives and then hope this illegal immigration issue will go away all by itself.

 

[ludahai]

I agree that using the National Guard is only a stop-gap measure, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.

We need more professional Border Guard agents.
We need to aggressively prosecute ANY and ALL employers of undocumented workers.
We need to aggressive follow-up in ALL tips and reports of undocumented/illegal workers.
We need to put up a wall, starting in the most sensitive border areas.
Do as Georgia just did and deny services (except basic) to illegal immigrants. No driver's licenses, no food stamps, no nothing!

 

[Calm2Chaos]

This is stupid. If Texas is so anti-immigration, perhaps they can just send them to parts of the country where they'd be more welcome. I wouldn't mind Maryland getting its proportional share of them.

That would be a lot better solution than trying to squelch economic growth by deporting them all.

Why are we going to move criminals from one part of the country to another? They are not citizen of this country. THey have illegally crossed the orders of a sovergn nation. I say we take the same stance on illegals as mexico does with there illegals

 

[Calm2Chaos]

I agree that using the National Guard is only a stop-gap measure, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.

We need more professional Border Guard agents.
We need to aggressively prosecute ANY and ALL employers of undocumented workers.
We need to aggressive follow-up in ALL tips and reports of undocumented/illegal workers.
We need to put up a wall, starting in the most sensitive border areas.
Do as Georgia just did and deny services (except basic) to illegal immigrants. No driver's licenses, no food stamps, no nothing!

What basic services are we talking about?

 

[ludahai]

What basic services are we talking about?

Services that would protect life and limb. I am not heartless and I don't believe most Americans to be either.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

Services that would protect life and limb. I am not heartless and I don't believe most Americans to be either.

So illegals should get medical coverage?

THat being the case why not SS, unemployment, WIC, HUD Housing, Job Placement and training, Medicare, medicade. Thee are all services that i am paying for, and there not.