• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!
  • Welcome to our archives. No new posts are allowed here.

Bush Wants Democracy in Iraq? Really?

danarhea

Slayer of the DP Newsbot
DP Veteran
Joined
Aug 27, 2005
Messages
43,602
Reaction score
26,255
Location
Houston, TX
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
Bush has been spinning the Iraqi elections like there is no tomorrow. Yes, he tells us, we are creating Democracy in Iraq, and teaching Iraq the values of voting and having a say in government. Do you really believe that? If so, then I have a big letdown for you.

President George W Bush has made it clear that he does not want Ibrahim al-Jaafari to remain prime minister of Iraq in a move likely to increase hostility between the US and the Shia community.

Mr Bush has written to the Shi'ite leader Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, the head of the Shi'ite Alliance asking him to nominate somebody else for the post. " The Americans are very firm about this," said a senior official. " They don't want Jaafari at any price."

But hang on. This is the same President Bush who is telling the world that we have created Democracy in Iraq. This is the same Iraqi Prime Minister who the Iraqi voters voted for in the Iraqi elections. So, on one hand, we tell Iraqis to vote their preferences, and then the next day we demand that they get rid of who they voted for because we dont happen to like the preference?

I dont know what planet anyone else if from, but in the real world of rational thought, this is not Democracy.

From this article
.
 

cherokee

Devil Dog
Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Aug 26, 2005
Messages
7,486
Reaction score
789
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
danarhea said:
But hang on. This is the same President Bush who is telling the world that we have created Democracy in Iraq. This is the same Iraqi Prime Minister who the Iraqi voters voted for in the Iraqi elections. So, on one hand, we tell Iraqis to vote their preferences, and then the next day we demand that they get rid of who they voted for because we dont happen to like the preference?

And yet they dont have to listen to what bush wants do they?
Thats called a free country........:doh
 

vandree

Member
Joined
May 12, 2005
Messages
234
Reaction score
0
Location
Studio City, ca
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Very Liberal
Hasn't he done the same with the Palestinian elections?

The Palestinians have voted for Hamas, yet the administration refuses to have any diplomatic relations with them.
 

oldreliable67

DP Veteran
Joined
Oct 3, 2005
Messages
4,641
Reaction score
1,102
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
I'm a bit vague on this so somebody correct me if I'm wrong...

The assumption that replacing the nominated Iraqi PM is somehow contradicts the desire for democracy in Iraq is possibly incorrect. If I remember correctly (and I admit that I may not), the Iraqi's are attempting to install a parlimentary form of government. In the system they are working with, the PM is selected from the party that wins the majority of the seats in the parliment, not by popular election of the voters. Consequently, the nomination of someone else as PM doesn't invalidate the efforts to install a representative form of government.

For example, Adolf Hitler was never elected by popular vote, instead he was selected as Chancellor by his party after they won the majority of seats. In fact, IIRC, he lost the only one or maybe two elections in which he was a candidate. That was early on in his career, of course.
 

cherokee

Devil Dog
Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Aug 26, 2005
Messages
7,486
Reaction score
789
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
vandree said:
Hasn't he done the same with the Palestinian elections?

The Palestinians have voted for Hamas, yet the administration refuses to have any diplomatic relations with them.

Hamas wants to send suicide bombers into markets and buses, so you know the hell with Palestinian!
Build the wall, cut off all aid and let the Arabs worry about them.
 

danarhea

Slayer of the DP Newsbot
DP Veteran
Joined
Aug 27, 2005
Messages
43,602
Reaction score
26,255
Location
Houston, TX
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
cherokee said:
Hamas wants to send suicide bombers into markets and buses, so you know the hell with Palestinian!
Build the wall, cut off all aid and let the Arabs worry about them.

And we should be doing the same. Build a wall on the Mexican border.
 
Top Bottom