Bush: Uniter or Divider? (1 Viewer)

[aps]

When Bush was running for president in 2000, he claimed he would be a uniter. What do you all think? Has he united the country, divided the country, or has it not changed since Clinton was in office?

PLEASE be honest.

For me, he has divided this country. We were united around September 11th, and his popularity soared, for good reason. However, he exploited that day and, to me, our country is terribly divided. It is a terrible disappointment.

 

[Navy Pride]

In order to unite both sides have to agree.........With leaders like Dean, Reid, Kennedy and Pelosi (I did not even mention Hillary) that will never happen.....

 

[tecoyah]

In order to unite both sides have to agree.........With leaders like Dean, Reid, Kennedy and Pelosi (I did not even mention Hillary) that will never happen.....

The reply above is the reason Bush has become a division. He has instilled a contempt for anyone that might disagree with him in his base. Its a pity...and worrys me somewhat.

 

[Iriemon]

To be a uniter you have to be willing to compromise, and avoid actions that will cause division. Right from the get-go Bush's idea of uniting has been you're either with us or against us.

There was a major unifying event; the country was very united after 9-11. But embarking upon a war of questionable justification and legitimacy, along with indications that the data regarding Iraq was manipulated, is a guarantee of dividing the country in a extreme way.

It's hard to imagine anyone thinking the country is more united. In my life I don't recall this kind of divisiveness since the Vietnam war.

 

[KCConservative]

To be a uniter you have to be willing to compromise, and avoid actions that will cause division. Right from the get-go Bush's idea of uniting has been you're either with us or against us.

There was a major unifying event; the country was very united after 9-11. But embarking upon a war of questionable justification and legitimacy, along with indications that the data regarding Iraq was manipulated, is a guarantee of dividing the country in a extreme way.

It's hard to imagine anyone thinking the country is more united. In my life I don't recall this kind of divisiveness since the Vietnam war.

For those who believe this tripe without it ever being proven to them, then of course they think we are divided. Yippee, another Bush bashing thread. Yawn.

 

[Iriemon]

For those who believe this tripe without ever it ever being proven to them, then of course they think we are divided. Yippee, another Bush bashing thread. Yawn.

You figure most people object to the invasion of Iraq and the way the war was conducted just because they don't like Bush eh? Could be. It is hard to figure why else would anyone would object to US soldiers dying and Iraqis getting killed and spending hundreds of billions of dollars.

 

[KCConservative]

You figure most people object to the invasion of Iraq and the way the war was conducted just because they don't like Bush eh? Could be. It is hard to figure why else would anyone would object to US soldiers dying and Iraqis getting killed and spending hundreds of billions of dollars.

I think it's hard for you to figure a lot of these things out. That's why it's called war, Iriemon. Sometimes it's not all pretty and it bothers those who voted for the other guy. To see the bigger picture and understand the greater good is what you lack. Thankfully the soldiers who died and who you mock with your phoney baloney concern saw things differently than you.

 

[Iriemon]

I think it's hard for you to figure a lot of these things out. That's why it's called war, Iriemon. Sometimes it's not all pretty and it bothers those who voted for the other guy. To see the bigger picture and understand the greater good is what you lack. Thankfully the soldiers who died and who you mock with your phoney baloney concern saw things differently than you.

That is why it will be devisive if folks don't think it was or is necessary.

I think a lot of the warmongers just like war, with the cool explosions, super high-tech jet fighters zooming around, bad guys getting blown up, tanks, and all that neat stuff. Just my opinion.

Did I mock soldiers? Oh yeah -- I criticized the war, which to you is mocking soldiers.

 

[TurtleDude]

Klatu Gorebot's acceptance speech promised strife-he told the tax hike jihadists he would soak the rich. He told the trial lawyers and other income redistributionists he would allow them to rape and pillage free of fear, he told the labour unionists that they could work less and be given more and he told Sarah Brady's gun banning losers that he would persecute the NRA.

Bush on the other hand only said he would help his supporters-he never talked about using government to screw the other side

 

[Navy Pride]

The reply above is the reason Bush has become a division. He has instilled a contempt for anyone that might disagree with him in his base. Its a pity...and worrys me somewhat.

Lets face it there is nothing President Bush could do to satisfy Bush haters short of committing suicide..............

Its impossible to unite with people filled with so much hate...Hell look in this forum if you don't believe me............

 

[Navy Pride]

That is why it will be devisive if folks don't think it was or is necessary.

I think a lot of the warmongers just like war, with the cool explosions, super high-tech jet fighters zooming around, bad guys getting blown up, tanks, and all that neat stuff. Just my opinion.

Did I mock soldiers? Oh yeah -- I criticized the war, which to you is mocking soldiers.

When the war started a vast majority of Americans were in favor of it but when the liberal left media and people like you keep preaching doom and gloom there of course it will affect the popularity............

When all we hear from the left is cut and run that helps nothing...........

 

[Billo_Really]

I can't believe anyone would even ask this question.

 

[Iriemon]

When the war started a vast majority of Americans were in favor of it but when the liberal left media and people like you keep preaching doom and gloom there of course it will affect the popularity............

When all we hear from the left is cut and run that helps nothing...........

Good. The more people realize what a mistake this war has been from the get go the sooner we will announce a leave date and begin to correct the damage this war has caused.

Did you hear the taunt from the Al-Queda guy yesterday? They desparately want us to stay in Iraq because it is the best thing that can happen for their plans.

 

[aps]

To be a uniter you have to be willing to compromise, and avoid actions that will cause division. Right from the get-go Bush's idea of uniting has been you're either with us or against us.

There was a major unifying event; the country was very united after 9-11. But embarking upon a war of questionable justification and legitimacy, along with indications that the data regarding Iraq was manipulated, is a guarantee of dividing the country in a extreme way.

It's hard to imagine anyone thinking the country is more united. In my life I don't recall this kind of divisiveness since the Vietnam war.

Iriemon, you are absolutely correct. KC, I don't know how you can be so dismissive of Iriemon's statement regarding the questionable justification for the war. More than half the country no longer supports this war and I believe it's that many people who believe that this administration lied or exaggerated the intelligence to get us into this war.

As an aside, Joe Klein, who works for Time magazine, and has written a book entitled “Politics Lost: How American Democracy Was Trivialized By People Who Think You’re Stupid” made excellent points the other night on Hardball. He said that Bush missed an opportunity after 9-11 to educate us on Islam and has failed to ask the American people to sacrifice for this war (except lives of course).

KLEIN: We’ve had like a 50, 60 year vacation in this country, the period of unprecedented peace and prosperity. During that time, we lost the habits of citizenship. And now, especially since September 11th, we have to regain that a little bit.

And part of that is being—you know, is having the appropriate leadership. During World War II, Franklin Roosevelt had everybody go out and get maps to follow our troops through Europe, through Asia.

George W. Bush had a similar responsibility that he did not meet after September 11th. His responsibility was to be our educator on Islam and on that region. And that hasn’t happened, and it needs to.

GREGORY: In fact, the president has said time and time again, it’s OK to return to your normal life after 9/11. Let me worry about the threats. You think that’s an responsibility lost?

KLEIN: Yes. Also—it’s also—if he thinks he’s a wartime president, there are certain things that you do when you’re in wartime. First of all, you set up a wartime cabinet, hopefully bipartisan. You know, second of all, you ask—you call for sacrifice from the people in order to involve them. You know, not just higher taxes, but things like collecting clothing for the children of Iraq.

And then you have a responsibility to teach and to keep people involved. If this is a war—and I truly do believe that we are in a long-term war against Islamist radicalism, the president has not met his responsibilities in that regard.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12485465/

Bipartisanship and Bush do not mix. :roll:

 

[aps]

I can't believe anyone would even ask this question.

Billo, I was interested to see how many conservatives and/or republicans think that Bush is a uniter. I am stunned at how they provide an excuse for him no matter what he does. I just don't get it.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

When Bush was running for president in 2000, he claimed he would be a uniter. What do you all think? Has he united the country, divided the country, or has it not changed since Clinton was in office?

PLEASE be honest.

For me, he has divided this country. We were united around September 11th, and his popularity soared, for good reason. However, he exploited that day and, to me, our country is terribly divided. It is a terrible disappointment.

Honestly...?...yes the country was united after 9/11 - the dividing didn't come until an election hung in the balance.

 

[Hoot]

Who in the world is the one person that actually believes Bush is a uniter?!

Please go back and get your G.E.D. before any further posting in these forums.

It's an old joke, but Bush has united us in our division.

"I'm a uniter, not a divider."

"I am not a nation builder."

"I'm for the people, he's for big government."

"Saddam has attempted to purchase high strenth aluminum tubes, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons."

"I believe in fiscal responsibility."

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by aps:
Billo, I was interested to see how many conservatives and/or republicans think that Bush is a uniter. I am stunned at how they provide an excuse for him no matter what he does. I just don't get it.

I was just making a rhetorical statement. I think this is a very good thread and , your right, it is interesting to see the lengths people go to argue for Bush. And you hit on something by starting this thread by asking, "Are you willing to go this far?" Because it is obvious to all this country is split in two. Or was. He doesn't have the majority anymore.

Good one, aps.

 

[Thorgasm]

Maybe the apologists mean that he has united the Islamist extremists.:doh

 

[tecoyah]

Lets face it there is nothing President Bush could do to satisfy Bush haters short of committing suicide..............

Its impossible to unite with people filled with so much hate...Hell look in this forum if you don't believe me............

I do believe you, and in fact the dislike is blatant and clear. The question then becomes....where does this dislike come from. Immediately after we were attacked there was no such division, and in fact as pointed out....Mr. Bush enjoyed massive support from the American People. What Happened between then and now?

I know what has turned me against him....but I wonder if others have the same reasoning.

 

[LeftyHenry]

Who in the world is the one person that actually believes Bush is a uniter?!

Please go back and get your G.E.D. before any further posting in these forums.

uhhh... NP!

 

[MSgt]

It's remained the same. This country is always divided. The only difference now is a war, which makes the dissention louder. President Bush has had to tackle some pretty huge issues in his Presidency.

 

[My_name_is_not_Larry]

Bush united the country, look at his approval ratings. No president has ever united the country so well, against him.

 

[Navy Pride]

Good. The more people realize what a mistake this war has been from the get go the sooner we will announce a leave date and begin to correct the damage this war has caused.

Did you hear the taunt from the Al-Queda guy yesterday? They desparately want us to stay in Iraq because it is the best thing that can happen for their plans.

That is and idiotic statement...Al-Queda is getting desperate........they know this fledgiling democratic government is taking hold and their days are numbered......

You will never admit it because your a typical GWB hater but that is fine........

 

[Navy Pride]

Who in the world is the one person that actually believes Bush is a uniter?!

Please go back and get your G.E.D. before any further posting in these forums.

It's an old joke, but Bush has united us in our division.

"I'm a uniter, not a divider."

"I am not a nation builder."

"I'm for the people, he's for big government."

"Saddam has attempted to purchase high strenth aluminum tubes, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons."

"I believe in fiscal responsibility."

In order to unite both sides have to agree.........With leaders like Dean, Reid, Kennedy and Pelosi (I did not even mention Hillary) that will never happen.....