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Bush spanks Helen Thomas during WH press brief

I saw the entire thing. That reporter lady was rude (not to mention butt-ugly.) But I could hardly hear her in the microphone.

Bush was stupid, evasive, disillusioned and about 70% of America still thinks he's a dumbass and he's sinking fast. (Here's where one of our collegues retorts with his usual line, "Well I suppose he won't be re-elected.............how original:roll: .)

So.....what's the big deal? Business as usual. Much adoo over nothing.

Take a breath. Take a walk. Just because some ugly reporter wants to be a beotch and one dumbass President wants to convince you of his dilusions is no reason for you all to get personal with each other.

Follow this thread. One intened clearly to bait and flame. Watch how the right carefully steered it into a hate fest. Typical Modus Operandi. What's new?

I am from the south. As a child, my parents would take me to Kemah or Galveston and we would "crab." I would tie a chicken neck to a string and throw it in the water. The crabs would attack it and I would slowly pull the string until I could net the crabs and put them in what we called a "Number 3 washtub." Once in this tub, the crabs wanted out in the worse way. They would climb atop of each other desperately trying to top the rim and escape back into the water. One would almost make it to the top when the crabs below him would pull him back down.

You people remind me of those crabs.
 
KCConservative said:
Anyone taking bets on when the President will next allow Helen Thomas to ask a question? I say never. Then again, after getting her spanking, she probably won;t dare ask again.

I agree. Challenging President Bush has sunk many a journalist's career.

It's much safer to keep pretending the emperor is wearing a nice suit of clothes.

Heck, it ain't just the reporters. Try saying something negative about the president, even in here, and watch the killer bee's swarm!:shock:
 
American said:
Read here. The old bag finally got what was coming to her. :rofl

He spanked her the same way he's been spanking the American people for the past 5 years.

Bush must think that actually taking 1/2 of a question from Helen is going to restore his credability. WRONG.

She's own of the few WH correspondents who haven't been stenographers for the Bushevik talking points:

I loved her op-ed Lap Dogs of The Press on the subject:

Here's an excerpt:

Lap Dogs of the Press
by Helen Thomas

Of all the unhappy trends I have witnessed--conservative swings on television networks, dwindling newspaper circulation, the jailing of reporters and "spin"--nothing is more troubling to me than the obsequious press during the run-up to the invasion of Iraq. They lapped up everything the Pentagon and White House could dish out--no questions asked.

Reporters and editors like to think of themselves as watchdogs for the public good. But in recent years both individual reporters and their ever-growing corporate ownership have defaulted on that role. Ted Stannard, an academic and former UPI correspondent, put it this way:
"When watchdogs, bird dogs, and bull dogs morph into lap dogs, lazy dogs, or yellow dogs, the nation is in trouble."

The naïve complicity of the press and the government was never more pronounced than in the prelude to the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.
The media became an echo chamber for White House pronouncements. One
example: At President Bush's March 6, 2003, news conference, in which he made it eminently clear that the United States was going to war, one reporter pleased the "born again" Bush when she asked him if he prayed about going to war. And so it went.

After all, two of the nation's most prestigious newspapers, the New York Times and the Washington Post, had kept up a drumbeat for war with Iraq to bring down dictator Saddam Hussein. They accepted almost unquestioningly the bogus evidence of weapons of mass destruction, the dubious White House rationale that proved to be so costly on a human scale, not to mention a drain on the Treasury. The Post was much more hawkish than the Times--running many editorials pumping up the need to wage war against the Iraqi dictator--but both newspapers played into the hands of the Administration.

When Secretary of State Colin Powell delivered his ninety-minute "boffo"
statement on Saddam's lethal toxic arsenal on February 5, 2003, before the United Nations, the Times said he left "little question that Mr.
Hussein had tried hard to conceal" a so-called smoking gun or weapons of mass destruction. After two US special weapons inspection task forces, headed by chief weapons inspector David Kay and later by Charles Duelfer, came up empty in the scouring of Iraq for WMD, did you hear any apologies from the Bush Administration? Of course not. It simply changed its rationale for the war--several times. Nor did the media say much about the failed weapons search. Several newspapers made it a front-page story but only gave it one-day coverage. As for Powell, he simply lost his halo. The newspapers played his back-pedaling inconspicuously on the back pages.

/snip

Tribune Media Services editor Robert Koehler summed it up best. In his August 20, 2004, column in the San Francisco Chronicle Koehler wrote, "Our print media pacesetters, the New York Times, and just the other day, the Washington Post, have searched their souls over the misleading pre-war coverage they foisted on the nation last year, and blurted out qualified Reaganesque mea culpas: 'Mistakes were made.'"

All the blame cannot be laid at the doorstep of the print media. CNN's war correspondent, Christiane Amanpour, was critical of her own network for not asking enough questions about WMD. She attributed it to the competition for ratings with Fox, which had an inside track to top Administration officials.

Despite the apologies of the mainstream press for not having vigilantly questioned evidence of WMD and links to terrorists in the early stages of the war, the newspapers dropped the ball again by ignoring for days a damaging report in the London Times on May 1, 2005. That report revealed the so-called Downing Street memo, the minutes of a high-powered confidential meeting that British Prime Minister Tony Blair held with his top advisers on Bush's forthcoming plans to attack Iraq. At the secret session Richard Dearlove, former head of British intelligence, told Blair that Bush "wanted to remove Saddam Hussein through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

The Downing Street memo was a bombshell when discussed by the bloggers, but the mainstream print media ignored it until it became too embarrassing to suppress any longer. The Post discounted the memo as old news and pointed to reports it had many months before on the buildup to the war. Los Angeles Times editorial page editor Michael Kinsley decided that the classified minutes of the Blair meeting were not a "smoking gun." The New York Times touched on the memo in a dispatch during the last days leading up to the British elections, but put it in the tenth paragraph.

/snip

I recall one exchange of mine with press secretary Scott McClellan last May that illustrates the difference, and what I mean by the skeptical reporting during Watergate.

Helen: The other day, in fact this week, you [McClellan] said that we, the United States, are in Afghanistan and Iraq by invitation. Would you like to correct that incredible distortion of American history?

Scott: No. We are...that's where we are currently.

Helen: In view of your credibility, which is already mired...how can you say that?

Scott: Helen, I think everyone in this room knows that you're taking that comment out of context. There are two democratically elected governments in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Helen: Were we invited into Iraq?

Scott: There are democratically elected governments now in Iraq and Afghanistan, and we are there at their invitation. They are sovereign governments, but we are there today.

Helen: You mean, if they asked us out, that we would have left?

Scott: No, Helen, I'm talking about today. We are there at their invitation. They are sovereign governments.

Helen: I'm talking about today, too.

Scott: We are doing all we can to train and equip their security forces so that they can provide their own security as they move forward on a free and democratic future.

Helen: Did we invade those countries?

At that point McClellan called on another reporter.

/snip

I honestly believe that if reporters had put the spotlight on the flaws in the Bush Administration's war policies, they could have saved the country the heartache and the losses of American and Iraqi lives.

It is past time for reporters to forget the party line, ask the tough questions and let the chips fall where they may.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060327/thomas
 
What really got me was the reporting of MSNBC, they made a huge deal about this, suggesting the president was blaming the media, when he was simply pointing out the facts. The facts are that these insurgents know this will break our will, and that this is their mission, to get as many stories on the news, and in the papers. The more they kill, the more we print, it's just a fact, and he was only trying to point this out. He never said don't print those stories, it was just a reminder, and it's his job to explore every aspect of this conflict. I do think it would help those innocent people in Iraq, and our troops, and theirs, if our news agencies tried to focus on some of the good things happening there. What would be wrong with not giving their cowardess acts front page coverage everyday, do they not see they are being used?:confused:
 
aps said:
I am begging you to take all your postings to jfuh and show them to your kids. If you were my father, I would lose some, and perhaps all, respect for him (but my father would NEVER stoop to this level). What is the matter with you? And don't tell me that because you feel jfuh has done that to you that somehow you're justified in doing what you're doing. Grow the hell up. Do you call yourself an adult? You clearly have stalker-like qualities.

Well said APS.

It always seems like it's more about baiting rather than debating with you KC, whether it's me, aps, Danareah, jfuh or other folks at DP.
 
First of all her question was falacious on it's face and based on a false premise and he addressed that directly. Second the reasons we went to war were fulle vetted before we went to war, they were spelled out in the authorization to use force, they were spelled out in the Iraqi Liberation Act which made the the OFFICAL policy of the United States to remove him by force if necessary and backed up by our signing the UN resolutions where the world body approved of the use of force, so if Ms. Thomas still hasn't read those documents it's own fault and she doesn't need to waste the Presidents time with it.
 
jfuh said:
I choose to spend my time more wisely through intelligent debate

Like thinking you are proving the merit of your arguement by insulting the South and calling us a bunch of hics [sic] and without any basis denigrating another posters education? Yeah that showed real intelliegence.
 
Helen Thomas did a brilliant job lurring President Bush into her trap. The chimp, as usual, went bananas (excuse the pun) and had a meltdown when he heard Helen's rhetorical question.

No doubt the chimp was heavily briefed by his handlers (Rove & Co) and was ready for Helen thus President Bush believes he does well at beating up on old ladies.

Lord, Bush looked so pathetic with his beady little eyes dilated and his ape-like body language. Did anyone else notice?

LOL... and I love it!
 
Captain America said:
I agree. Challenging President Bush has sunk many a journalist's career.

Not if they challenge him on a factual basis and not personally insult him as Thomas did.
 
jfuh said:
What's partial about asking for the reason to go to war?

If she's remains ignorant to that fully discussed subject then she should not be sitting in that room.
 
Deegan said:
What really got me was the reporting of MSNBC, they made a huge deal about this, suggesting the president was blaming the media, when he was simply pointing out the facts. The facts are that these insurgents know this will break our will, and that this is their mission, to get as many stories on the news, and in the papers. The more they kill, the more we print, it's just a fact, and he was only trying to point this out. He never said don't print those stories, it was just a reminder, and it's his job to explore every aspect of this conflict. I do think it would help those innocent people in Iraq, and our troops, and theirs, if our news agencies tried to focus on some of the good things happening there. What would be wrong with not giving their cowardess acts front page coverage everyday, do they not see they are being used?:confused:

Great post Deegan! Helen Thomas and the Democrats have an agenda, and it does not matter if they provide aid and comfort to the enemy as long as they can take Bush down! I found it funny how the accusation was made that claims about WMD etc have been disproven, especially in light of 2 Iragi Generals coming forward and even now the released documents and tapes of hussein himself discussing sending his WMD to Syria just prior to our going in. 'No WMD', 'Bush lied, People died' are Liberal Bush-hating fanatics' mantra, no matter how much evidence to the contrary comes out.

As far as Bush spanking Helen Thomas yesterday, I think he exercised great Presidential authority yesterday in dealing with her and her 'stunt'. He definitely got the better of the exchange, although I know aps and jfuh will ardently disagree! I fully expect the whole delusional spectrum of denial and rhetoric to be thrown in response to this post!

><><><><><>><FYI>Additional Reading<><><><><><
Tapes show Hussein had WMD
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/156129.php
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200602\NAT20060215a.html
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=\\Nation\\archive\\200602\\NAT20060215c.html

Secret Saddam Tapes reveal WMDs Existed:
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Inve...307&page=1

Secret tapes Reveal Hussein had WMD:
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/156129.php

Iraqi WMD To Syria
http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=19678Gen Sada
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48827Gen. Al-Tikriti
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/2/18/233023.shtml?s=lh
http://www.nysun.com/article/24480
http://assyriatimes.com/engine/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3163
 
KidRocks said:
Helen Thomas did a brilliant job lurring President Bush into her trap. The chimp, as usual, went bananas (excuse the pun) and had a meltdown when he heard Helen's rhetorical question.

:confused: WHAT news conference were YOU watching?

'Meltdown'? "Went Bananas'? Bush remained very calm and in command in reacting and responding to Thomas' disrespectful and insulting behavior. Talk about a lie/deceptive comment! I know the Dems would have loved for Bush to come 'un-glued', but he handled himself with the utmost of decorum. Nice try, :spin:-doctor!
 
Stinger said:
If she's remains ignorant to that fully discussed subject then she should not be sitting in that room.

Stinger, please enlighten me on that fully-discussed subject and what your answer would be. I'm serious.
 
easyt65 said:
:confused: WHAT news conference were YOU watching?

'Meltdown'? "Went Bananas'? Bush remained very calm and in command in reacting and responding to Thomas' disrespectful and insulting behavior. Talk about a lie/deceptive comment! I know the Dems would have loved for Bush to come 'un-glued', but he handled himself with the utmost of decorum. Nice try, :spin:-doctor!

I totally agree with Kid's assessment. Did you see how defensive he got? He knows that her question alone showed how he has changed the reasons we went into Iraq multiple times. She was asking which one of them was true. It's a valid question. If he thought it was insignificant, he would have provided a very short response without much emotion. I am betting that Helen Thomas was smiling when she got her answer because she clearly got to poor wittle Georgie boy.

Hey everyone. What did you think of Bush calling our soldiers "kids"? That'll bring them some morale since those of us who don't support the war are supposedly killing it.
 
I think Mr. Bush handled himself with decorum too. But he also looked like a monkey doing it. :monkey

Yeah...I noticed.....:rofl

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aps said:
I totally agree with Kid's assessment. Did you see how defensive he got? He knows that her question alone showed how he has changed the reasons we went into Iraq multiple times. She was asking which one of them was true. It's a valid question. If he thought it was insignificant, he would have provided a very short response without much emotion. I am betting that Helen Thomas was smiling when she got her answer because she clearly got to poor wittle Georgie boy.

Hey everyone. What did you think of Bush calling our soldiers "kids"? That'll bring them some morale since those of us who don't support the war are supposedly killing it.

I guess your opinion of Bush's reaction to her question depends on whether you like him or not. It certainly seems to be going down ideological lines in this thread...

However, I know I, personally, get defensive whenever I'm asked a question and am constantly interrupted during the answering of the question. It's rude and disrespectful.

If she really cared about the answer, which I'm not sure she did, she would have allowed him to answer then ask her next question. It's the age old shouting down of a person because you disagree with them.

That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.... but I'm not...
 
After being in 18+ years, I find that I am older than most of those who serve under me. I consider each one of these troops I have to send out 'MY guys', My kids'!

So, What's wrong with calling the soldiers 'kids'?

It's not like he called them NAZIS or TERRORISTS, like Durbin and Kerry did!

(Where was your concern for troop morale while these idiots were talking?)
 
Obviously she asked the wrong question as it seems his answer was to another question all together different.

I understand why we went into Afghanastan. The president needs no apology or explaination to satisfy me. I was glad to see the Al-Queda supporting, woman oppressing, Budda blower-uppers sent running for the hills.
Ooo-rah!!

But she specifically asked about Iraq. Most every thinking person has agreed that the reasons given were not legitimate by now. Then came a plethra of other reasons......

Coupled with the idea that there is supposed to be documention (which I would like to see for myself) that Bush had planned to take on Iraq pre-911, I think the question was legitimate even though the fugly reporter did ask it in a "do you still beat your wife" fashion.

I heard his answer...say it three times......

America doesn't belive the president anymore. Most have lost confidence in him. It matters not what the question was nor the answer. The damage is done.
 
Captain America said:
I understand why we went into Afghanastan. But she specifically asked about Iraq. Most every thinking person has agreed that the reasons given were not legitimate by now.

Yet we have had 2 Iraqi Generals (Gen Sada and Gen Al-Tikriti) come forwrd to say Hussein had WMD and shipped it to Syria. We have reports Russia helped ship the WMD into Syria. We have newly translated documents and tapes that show Hussein had WMD, even Hussein himself on the tapes confirming it.........more evidence is coming out daily, and the Democrats who have based their entire platform of Bush-Bashing and mantra of 'No WMD' is doing their best to stop the hemoraging and ignoring the evidence as long as they can. If Liberal fanatics like Helen Thomas would shut up a minute, actaully look at the evidence that is coming out, they will find that it speaks for itself, that the 'No WMD' case is not as cut-n-dry as they have declared to America that it is!

Tapes show Hussein had WMD
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/156129.php
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200602\NAT20060215a.html
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=\\Nation\\archive\\200602\\NAT20060215c.html


Iraqi WMD To Syria
http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=19678 – Gen Sada
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48827 – Al-Tikriti
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/2/18/233023.shtml?s=lh
http://www.nysun.com/article/24480
http://assyriatimes.com/engine/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3163

Iraq Chemical Stash Discovered: 14 Aug 2005
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...081300530.html

Russians Moved Hussein’s WMD:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...023.shtml?s=lh
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=127232

Saddam’s General: “WMD in Syria!”http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=48827

2nd Iraqi Commander Confirms WMD:
http://discuss.extremetech.com/forum.../ShowPost.aspx

Baathist Confirms WMD in Syria, part of Plan to discredit Bush/Re-instate Hussein:
http://www.stonescryout.org/archives...more_on_i.html
 
Captain America said:
Obviously she asked the wrong question as it seems his answer was to another question all together different.

I understand why we went into Afghanastan. The president needs no apology or explaination to satisfy me. I was glad to see the Al-Queda supporting, woman oppressing, Budda blower-uppers sent running for the hills.
Ooo-rah!!

But she specifically asked about Iraq. Most every thinking person has agreed that the reasons given were not legitimate by now. Then came a plethra of other reasons......

Coupled with the idea that there is supposed to be documention (which I would like to see for myself) that Bush had planned to take on Iraq pre-911, I think the question was legitimate even though the fugly reporter did ask it in a "do you still beat your wife" fashion.

I heard his answer...say it three times......

America doesn't belive the president anymore. Most have lost confidence in him. It matters not what the question was nor the answer. The damage is done.

No, she asked him why he wanted to go to war, and from the minute he got in to office, it was quite different then asking about why he thought we should go in 2003. She knew what she was asking, she claims he had planned this from the very start, and there was just no justification for that question. I am quite sure that question would have surprised me as well, she pretty much asked him why he was a war monger?:roll:
 
These kinda comments are starting to make me really bored:

"Helen Thomas and the Democrats have an agenda, and it does not matter if they provide aid and comfort to the enemy as long as they can take Bush down!"

Are some people out there really that ignorant to think that 50% of this nation want the terrorists to win? Please. Grow up and stop the :spin:
 
Deegan said:
No, she asked him why he wanted to go to war, and from the minute he got in to office, it was quite different then asking about why he thought we should go in 2003. She knew what she was asking, she claims he had planned this from the very start, and there was just no justification for that question. I am quite sure that question would have surprised me as well, she pretty much asked him why he was a war monger?:roll:

You nailed it - the Libs demand that Bush is a war monger who had planned to go in all along. Maybe this attack on Bush for defending America and attacking AQ comes from guilt after 8 years of Clinton cowardice/refusal to act after 4 seperate major attacks on Americans by AQ which cost 67 American lives, scores more wounded, and over 200 total deaths during his administration!
 
reaganburch said:
I guess your opinion of Bush's reaction to her question depends on whether you like him or not. It certainly seems to be going down ideological lines in this thread...

You are absolutely correct. I was like, "How could people think he spanked Helen?" I spoke to some friends of mine, who are all dems and they all agreed with me. That is interesting.

However, I know I, personally, get defensive whenever I'm asked a question and am constantly interrupted during the answering of the question. It's rude and disrespectful.

If she really cared about the answer, which I'm not sure she did, she would have allowed him to answer then ask her next question. It's the age old shouting down of a person because you disagree with them.

That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.... but I'm not...

I agree. I hate it when people interrupt others when they speak. Chris Matthews does that on his show, and it drives me nuts. Shut up and let the person talk.

Now, I will say that when he was answering the question, I thought to myself, "He's not answering her question." If I asked you if you wanted to have dinner with me and you started talking about going to the movies, I would interrupt you. So I see why she was interrupting him. I am sick and tired of Bush implying that 9-11 and the invasion in Iraq are interrelated.
 
Deegan said:
1. No, she asked him why he wanted to go to war,

2. she claims he had planned this from the very start, and there was just no justification for that question.

3. I am quite sure that question would have surprised me as well, she pretty much asked him why he was a war monger?:roll:

1. Most people are convinced that he had Iraqi warplans pre-9/11 and the attack only helped serve that purpose. But in all fairness to the pres, I would like to that evidence before convicting him of it.

2. Maybe not, but most of America, as well as most of the rest of the world think he planned it as well. Some clarity on this would ease a lot of peoples minds. The president said boldly "I did not want to go war. No president wants to go to war." Fair enough. Now it's up to the other side to present evidence disputing that. And if they do, it's curtains for the president and public opinion.

3. That too is on a lot of people's minds. Folks are very concerned in the neo-con agenda to force our ways on the rest of the world to cater to our nation' agenda. The "might makes right" attitude and the notion that because we are America we have an inherent right, nay, destiny, to dominate the globe though force if necessary has many Americans concerned and even more non- Americans. I am not saying Bush is a war monger but if I may borrow an old quote, :If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...."
 
mnpollock said:
These kinda comments are starting to make me really bored:

"Helen Thomas and the Democrats have an agenda, and it does not matter if they provide aid and comfort to the enemy as long as they can take Bush down!"

Are some people out there really that ignorant to think that 50% of this nation want the terrorists to win? Please. Grow up and stop the :spin:


Not the nation - THE DEMOCRATS!

If I am so wrong for saying Thomas and the Dems have an agenda, explain to me why Thomas deliverately phrased her question as Deegan said, to insinuate that Bush wanted war from the start? Why has Murtha and Dean been trying to convince the American people we can't win, and why have Dems like Durbin and Kerry been attacking our troops by calling them Nazis and Terrorists during a time of war, attacing this nation's resolve and our troops' morale?!
 
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