Bush says U.S. won't attack North Korea

[Navy Seal Patriot]

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/north_korea

President Bush called Wednesday for stiff sanctions on North Korea for its reported nuclear test and asserted that the United States has "no intention of attacking" the reclusive regime.

What? You called N.Korea an axis of evil, you say were in Iraq to save American lives here at home, N.Korea has said it has the right to make the first strike on anyone--ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK right know before they disseminate nukes to others or use nukes on us or our allies don't just go to war with weak nations, only insecure bullies do that. Nip this thing in the bud and forget the political ramifications--save American lives, sanctions aren't going to deter nothing. :2wave:

 

[Gibberish]

The huge difference between the dictatorship in Iraq and the dictatorships in Iran and N. Korea is that Iraq's dictator has a history of murdering its own people. Iran and N. Korea citizens seem to love their leaders, most Iraq feared theirs.

But yes it is easy to invade weaker nations that cannot strike back. You can effectively overthrow the dictatorship without risking the lives of American civilians or many of the countries civilians. Invasion into a country that has the means to attack back at our home is something that should be a last resort. If Iraq really had WMD or a nuclear weapon we would have never invaded.

There is no reason to invade Iran or N. Korea at this time. Yes they are risks as they stand but verbal threats (which they have so far always backed down from) should not be the only reason to invade.

 

[Deegan]

As I said in another thread, finally we don't have to fight this war all by ourselves, finally! China will most likely be forced to handle this on their own, as they are the ones who supply the oil, loans, food, etc. It is their best interest to handle this once and for all, and for many, many different reasons. First, and most importantly, instability in that region, an armed Japan, South Korea, and who knows who else, perhaps Taiwan, this should be more then enough reason. Secondly, they do not want the incredible influx of refugees that would likely cross in to their already over populated country. Finally, if they don't put a stop to this, America will be forced to do so, and this will not be very good for business, and that will hurt me damnit, so get er done China!:lol:

 

[Kandahar]

The huge difference between the dictatorship in Iraq and the dictatorships in Iran and N. Korea is that Iraq's dictator has a history of murdering its own people. Iran and N. Korea citizens seem to love their leaders, most Iraq feared theirs.

Umm the Iranians openly HATE their leadership, much moreso than the Iraqis did. And who knows what North Koreans think? Their society is so hermetic that they don't really have anyone to compare their leadership to.

But yes it is easy to invade weaker nations that cannot strike back. You can effectively overthrow the dictatorship without risking the lives of American civilians or many of the countries civilians. Invasion into a country that has the means to attack back at our home is something that should be a last resort. If Iraq really had WMD or a nuclear weapon we would have never invaded.

I don't think North Korea has the ability to strike the United States with a nuclear weapon just yet, but you're right that they have the ability to cause a lot of damage. Probably to South Korea or Japan.

There is no reason to invade Iran or N. Korea at this time. Yes they are risks as they stand but verbal threats (which they have so far always backed down from) should not be the only reason to invade.

There's a lot more than verbal threats. Iran supports terrorism around the world, and North Korea just fired a missile over Japan.

 

[Kandahar]

As I said in another thread, finally we don't have to fight this war all by ourselves, finally! China will most likely be forced to handle this on their own, as they are the ones who supply the oil, loans, food, etc. It is their best interest to handle this once and for all, and for many, many different reasons. First, and most importantly, instability in that region, an armed Japan, South Korea, and who knows who else, perhaps Taiwan, this should be more then enough reason. Secondly, they do not want the incredible influx of refugees that would likely cross in to their already over populated country. Finally, if they don't put a stop to this, America will be forced to do so, and this will not be very good for business, and that will hurt me damnit, so get er done China!:lol:

Actually the fact that they don't want the incredible influx of refugees is the main reason that they DON'T do something about it.

 

[Saboteur]

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/north_korea



What? You called N.Korea an axis of evil, you say were in Iraq to save American lives here at home, N.Korea has said it has the right to make the first strike on anyone--ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK right know before they disseminate nukes to others or use nukes on us or our allies don't just go to war with weak nations, only insecure bullies do that. Nip this thing in the bud and forget the political ramifications--save American lives, sanctions aren't going to deter nothing. :2wave:

I suppose we could just bomb the heck out of N. Korea. But guess who's in the way? Civilians.

We don't have enough ground troops stationed in S. Korea for an invasion. I don't know how the CIA operates there but I doubt there is much for revolutionary groups to use.

Tony Snow has been saying that the nuclear test was much smaller than it was believed to be at first and there may not be another one. He's sort of implying that this is just a bunch of grandstanding. I honestly don't know what to think about that though.

With or without nukes N. Korea has a more conventional army than the Taliban and militia groups we're currently fighting. They have modern weapons and the casualties would be very high, very fast if we tried to invade, I'm thinking 2000 in one day instead of 3 years. Not that I'm afraid of sending the military to do it's job, I just doubt the American public is going to go for yet another theater opening up in the war. Especially against the 5th larget army in the world that's over 1,000,000 strong. We're already streched thin and Rumsfield isn't competent enough to handle it. He's barley able to keep a bunch of farmers with 30 year old Russian left overs from their war with Afghanistan under his thumb.

The Administration doesn't have much of a choice and N. Korea knows it. So sactions it has to be. We need China to help but they could get out of hand and just invade N. Korea. So we have to have to go with diplomacy so that doesn't happen because then there isn't much stopping them from going for S. Korea as well, it would be a massacre. And once again, we'd be helpless to do anything about that. I'm pretty sure Europe wouldn't get involved until they absolutely had to, hard to say what Putin would do. He's kinda shifty IMO.


Ultimately sanctions enforced by China while they're given incentive to not invade Korea is the way to go right now. There's no other option, welcome to Cold War II.

 

[Deegan]

Actually the fact that they don't want the incredible influx of refugees is the main reason that they DON'T do something about it.

It works both ways, if N.Korea is attacked, people will flee to the north, if they cut off food supplies, people will flee to the north. I gave the more likely scenario, as no one wants to see the people starve, only that the leaders are not given the fuel needed to resume military and weapons spending. This is why it is a lose lose situation for China, and something they can no longer ignore, and something that we should have been forcing them to address. Instead, we have been playing the carrot and stick game, and without sticks, which is why we know look foolish, and this little troll is still in power.

Did you have a question, or comment that pertains to my opinion, or were just trying to correct me?

 

[americanwoman]

The Iran and N. Korea citizens seem to love their leaders, most Iraq feared theirs.

*only because they are brainwashed to. I saw on GMA once how they have speaker all over North Korea proclaiming, "The leader is great." At least every half hour. It's actually kinda comical in a way but that little guy is seriously nuts. I think he is more interested in doing something big to go down in history than caring about himself or his country.

 

[Kandahar]

It works both ways, if N.Korea is attacked, people will flee to the north, if they cut off food supplies, people will flee to the north. I gave the more likely scenario, as no one wants to see the people starve, only that the leaders are not given the fuel needed to resume military and weapons spending. This is why it is a lose lose situation for China, and something they can no longer ignore, and something that we should have been forcing them to address. Instead, we have been playing the carrot and stick game, and without sticks, which is why we know look foolish, and this little troll is still in power.

I think China's best course of action is to maintain the status quo. As long as they don't believe the United States will invade NK, they have every reason to believe that the current situation is the most stable one.

Did you have a question, or comment that pertains to my opinion, or were just trying to correct me?

I just don't see how China is in a much better position to "handle this" than the United States is, or what they could do to handle it that wouldn't cause huge amounts of refugees to come into their country.

 

[rathi]

This is a good decesion by bush. Invading north korea is not a viable option. It would take weeks to move enough forces into position. If north korea chooses, they could easily attack seoul with coventional artillery and completely devestate it. The casulties could range in the millions. Worse, they also might be able to transport their nuclear weapons within range of another city by truck or boat. North Korea has spent most of the last 50 years making sure that they can't be easily invaded.