Bush OKs involuntary Marine recall (1 Viewer)

[KidRocks]

I would implore youths today to read the fine print before considering joing our military especially with the unnecessary dangerous situation President Bush has involved us in Iraq, for the recruiters will definetly not point out the "back-door draft" clause nor will they stress about 'Individual Ready Reserve' section and how President Bush can OK the Involuntary Marine Recall which means, you baby, and another 4 year stint in beautiful downtown Baghdad.

Indeed, serving in our armed forces can be very hazardous to your health.

After this, let those who wish to serve after being well informed to 'be our guests', as for the rest of you, be advised that you have no excuses when the President tells you... "We ain't through with you soldier"!








http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/22/marine.recall/index.html

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush has authorized the U.S. Marine Corps to recall 2,500 troops to active duty because there are not enough volunteers returning for duty in Afghanistan and Iraq, Marine commanders announced Tuesday.

The recall was authorized last month, and will begin in spring 2007 to fill positions for upcoming rotations, Marine officials said. The Marine Corps is currently picking volunteers from the Marine Individual Ready Reserve, the officials said.

Marine Col. Guy A. Stratton, head of the manpower mobilization section, told The Associated Press that there is a shortfall of about 1,200 Marines needed to fill positions in upcoming unit deployments...

 

[Iriemon]

I would implore youths today to read the fine print before considering joing our military especially with the unnecessary dangerous situation President Bush has involved us in Iraq, for the recruiters will definetly not point out the "back-door draft" clause nor will they stress about 'Individual Ready Reserve' section and how President Bush can OK the Involuntary Marine Recall which means, you baby, and another 4 year stint in beautiful downtown Baghdad.

Indeed, serving in our armed forces can be very hazardous to your health.

After this, let those who wish to serve after being well informed to 'be our guests', as for the rest of you, be advised that you have no excuses when the President tells you... "We ain't through with you soldier"!


http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/22/marine.recall/index.html

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush has authorized the U.S. Marine Corps to recall 2,500 troops to active duty because there are not enough volunteers returning for duty in Afghanistan and Iraq, Marine commanders announced Tuesday.

The recall was authorized last month, and will begin in spring 2007 to fill positions for upcoming rotations, Marine officials said. The Marine Corps is currently picking volunteers from the Marine Individual Ready Reserve, the officials said.

Marine Col. Guy A. Stratton, head of the manpower mobilization section, told The Associated Press that there is a shortfall of about 1,200 Marines needed to fill positions in upcoming unit deployments...

I was going to post this too. I also wonder want it says about the recruiting situation. I recall some pro-war folks posting that recruiting was way up for the marines and other branches -- appears times have changed.

 

[Indy]

This is just pure curiosity and I'm truely not informed on the numbers but is this a common sign of a draft being needed or a common practice? I wonder how many times the US has used this. Anybody have any numbers on this?

 

[TheNextEra]

This is just pure curiosity and I'm truely not informed on the numbers but is this a common sign of a draft being needed or a common practice? I wonder how many times the US has used this. Anybody have any numbers on this?

Not sure on the history of this, but IMO, this is what needs to be done BEFORE doing an involuntary draft.

 

[MarineCorpsCandidate]

See, to me, America is this selfish "me" society. I think a military requirement placed on all male and female youths to serve two years in one of the branches of the armed forces in order. Conscious objector or perhaps medically unfit for the military? That's OK, you do two years in the Peace Corps. Part of American people's disease is that they think too much about themselves and don't take other people into consideration. I personally think that the all volunteer army is what George Washington warned against when he talked of "large standing armies" (during George Washington's time, most males served in the militia as part of the citizen army). Without a draft, people won't have an incentive to vote or to vote responsibly and they won't have an incentive to get involved in the political process. Nor will people have an incentive to hold the political leadership. The all volunteer army is very convient for the those that control the country, which is the rich, while it is the poor and disenfranchised who do the dying for the country. And why should people care what their political leaders do in their name so long as it is only the poor and disenfranchised who do the dying? It is all to convient that those who do not serve, can wipe their hands clean, tell those who do serve and perhaps have strong views on American foriegn policy and say "hey, you volunteered, it was your choice, it's all back on you, you didn't have to go...." It's the same BS sorry excuse everybody has to offer those who either strongly advocate the involvement of US troops in a certain parts of the world or strongly advocate keeping US troops from getting involved. The all volunteer military seems to have enabled our political leaders to do as they please without any accountability to the people and that's because the all volunteer military offers no incentive for those who do not serve to hold their leaders accountable and to exercise their citizenship duties.

 

[TheNextEra]

I think a military requirement placed on all male and female youths to serve two years in one of the branches of the armed forces in order.

I can't say I disagree with what you're saying necessarily, as I do feel it should be required. However, from experience there are just some people that are not meant for military service.

A continued volunteer military ensures that the people that want and are capable to join do and keep the caliber of the military high.

 

[SixStringHero]

I'm not sure how I would feel having forced military service, but it seems like to works for countries such as Switzerland.

I believe every citizen is given military training and required to keep a fire arm in their household.

 

[MarineCorpsCandidate]

An all volunteer army certainly has certain advantages over a military that has conscripts. Their are advantages and disadvantages of the all volunteer military. The all volunteer military is certainly more efficient and better trained generally speaking. However, having spoken to some Vietnam Veterans, their were some conscripts that fought quite well and perfromed better than most volunteers in Vietnam. Of course, their were some draftees who were worthless. If somebody can't serve in the military due to medical conditions or because of conscioutious objector status, then they should be required to travel abroad and serve two years in the Peace Corps serving those people overseas as part of their two year requirement to the nation. The goal here is build a more responsible citizenry and that can be achieved through military service or service in the Peace Corps. It is also designed to better educate citizens as well with this service, that way, they can make better informed decisions and they would also have the incentive to hold political leaders accountable if those leaders were to order the nation into questionable military ventures or refuse to assist or become involved when we as a nation should become involved in some parts of the world. Today, it seems that Americans want to have freedom without responsibility. We see a very intreverted society, a greedy society that is oriented towards selfishness without taking others into consideration and a society that is not well informed and doesn't seem to care much about what their government seems to be doing overseas. As we saw on 9/11, freedom without responsibility is simply impossible and the current conditions cannot continue forever. If you wish to have freedom without responsibility, then I wouldn't count on having or enjoying the blessings of freedom for very long.

 

[TheNextEra]

If somebody can't serve in the military due to medical conditions or because of conscioutious objector status, then they should be required to travel abroad and serve two years in the Peace Corps serving those people overseas as part of their two year requirement to the nation.

When stationed in South Korea, I liked how they did things there. The males were required to serve 2 years service in either the military or public service such as police or fire department etc.

The goal here is build a more responsible citizenry and that can be achieved through military service or service in the Peace Corps.

I would expand that to police and fire as well IMO.

Today, it seems that Americans want to have freedom without responsibility. We see a very intreverted society, a greedy society that is oriented towards selfishness without taking others into consideration and a society that is not well informed and doesn't seem to care much about what their government seems to be doing overseas.

No argument there.

As we saw on 9/11, freedom without responsibility is simply impossible and the current conditions cannot continue forever. If you wish to have freedom without responsibility, then I wouldn't count on having or enjoying the blessings of freedom for very long.

I would almost go so far as to say that if you don't do some public service as outlined above, then you shouldn't have the right to vote. Of course that is my personal opinion and couldn't be enforced per the constitution but still is my personal preference.

 

[MarineCorpsCandidate]

I would almost go so far as to say that if you don't do some public service as outlined above, then you shouldn't have the right to vote. Of course that is my personal opinion and couldn't be enforced per the constitution but still is my personal preference.

Amen to that brother. And why should they have the right to vote? They haven't earned it! And that's another lesson that public service or service in the military will teach: Freedom is something that is earned, not given to you.

 

[Stace]

I would implore youths today to read the fine print before considering joing our military especially with the unnecessary dangerous situation President Bush has involved us in Iraq, for the recruiters will definetly not point out the "back-door draft" clause nor will they stress about 'Individual Ready Reserve' section and how President Bush can OK the Involuntary Marine Recall which means, you baby, and another 4 year stint in beautiful downtown Baghdad.

Indeed, serving in our armed forces can be very hazardous to your health.

After this, let those who wish to serve after being well informed to 'be our guests', as for the rest of you, be advised that you have no excuses when the President tells you... "We ain't through with you soldier"!

Well, I can't speak for the other branches, but I can assure you that in the Air Force, there's no fine print regarding IRR. It's right there, plain as day, and it was clearly explained to me that my total service obligation was eight years. I have what we called a four by four contract - four years active, four years inactive. There's also the option to sign up for six years active, two years inactive.

Furthermore, if they call you up, you're not usually activated for the entire length of time remaining on your IRR contract. Not everyone that is reactivated is actually deployed, either.

 

[jamesrage]

I would implore youths today to read the fine print before considering joing our military especially with the unnecessary dangerous situation President Bush has involved us in Iraq, for the recruiters will definetly not point out the "back-door draft" clause nor will they stress about 'Individual Ready Reserve' section and how President Bush can OK the Involuntary Marine Recall which means, you baby, and another 4 year stint in beautiful downtown Baghdad.

Indeed, serving in our armed forces can be very hazardous to your health.

After this, let those who wish to serve after being well informed to 'be our guests', as for the rest of you, be advised that you have no excuses when the President tells you... "We ain't through with you soldier"!








http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/22/marine.recall/index.html

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush has authorized the U.S. Marine Corps to recall 2,500 troops to active duty because there are not enough volunteers returning for duty in Afghanistan and Iraq, Marine commanders announced Tuesday.

The recall was authorized last month, and will begin in spring 2007 to fill positions for upcoming rotations, Marine officials said. The Marine Corps is currently picking volunteers from the Marine Individual Ready Reserve, the officials said.

Marine Col. Guy A. Stratton, head of the manpower mobilization section, told The Associated Press that there is a shortfall of about 1,200 Marines needed to fill positions in upcoming unit deployments...

Not this back door draft nonsense again.There is no such thing as a back door draft.During your first time signing there is a 8 year commitment.Here look it up and see for your self.

http://usmilitary.about.com/library/pdf/enlistment.pdf

 

[Muddy Creek]

This is just pure curiosity and I'm truely not informed on the numbers but is this a common sign of a draft being needed or a common practice? I wonder how many times the US has used this. Anybody have any numbers on this?

Daddy Bush used this in the Gulf War and IMO it does signal fewer people are joining the military despite raising the age limit to 41. Also, I think it does signal two other pending events...a draft and an invasion into Iran.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Daddy Bush used this in the Gulf War and IMO it does signal fewer people are joining the military despite raising the age limit to 41. Also, I think it does signal two other pending events...a draft

The only people calling for a draft are the Democrats.

and an invasion into Iran.

Best to do it now BEFORE they have a nuclear capability.

 

[oldreliable67]

...and another 4 year stint in beautiful downtown Baghdad.

I see nothing in any of the news releases about a "4 year stint in...Baghdad". Thus far, all tours of duty in Iraq have been 12 - 15 months.

Of course, some (not many, granted, but some) soldiers and Marines have volunteered to return for second and even third tours, but you conveniently ignore that.

 

[TheNextEra]

Of course, some (not many, granted, but some) soldiers and Marines have volunteered to return for second and even third tours, but you conveniently ignore that.

A unit at Fort Bragg when I was stationed there had just come back from an Iraq tour and they were given 1 month until they were deployed again. That doesn't sound like volunteer to me. This happened more than once across the base to units.

 

[Saboteur]

Not this back door draft nonsense again.There is no such thing as a back door draft.During your first time signing there is a 8 year commitment.Here look it up and see for your self.

http://usmilitary.about.com/library/pdf/enlistment.pdf

I'm beginning to think that your definition of 'back door draft' is a hole in your shorts. You're really thinking about what is called a 'glory hole'.

Not surprising.

 

[Saboteur]

The only people calling for a draft are the Democrats.

Yeah that one senator (or congressman I forget which, it was about 2 years ago now) from New Mexico is calling for a draft. Those conniving Democrats

Best to do it now BEFORE they have a nuclear capability.

I agree, lets pack up in Iraq and get those Iranian nut jobs before they get too cocky!

(seriously)

 

[oldreliable67]

A unit at Fort Bragg when I was stationed there had just come back from an Iraq tour and they were given 1 month until they were deployed again. That doesn't sound like volunteer to me. This happened more than once across the base to units.

Unit rotations are one thing; individual soldiers volunteering for additional Iraq duty is quite another.

One of the larger criticisms about the rotation policy during Vietnam was the diminished unit cohesion resulting from the 12-month tour (13 months for Marines). That is, units stayed in-country, but individual soldiers came and went. This resulted in there always being a bunch of "f**king new guys", or "fngs" to train and acclimate, which reduced unit effectiveness considerably.

In Iraq, the policy has been to rotating entire units into and out of Iraq as much as possible, thereby helping retain unit cohesion and effectiveness. Whether the interval between deployments is one month, six months or a year, the unit rotation policy has proven itself.

 

[Goobieman]

Daddy Bush used this in the Gulf War and IMO it does signal fewer people are joining the military despite raising the age limit to 41.

Recruitment levels, as of 7/2006 were just fine

July 14, 2006: The U.S. military recruited all the people it needed in June, and, for the current fiscal year (which began on last October 1st), have brought in more people than they need. The armed forces needed 120,130 recruits and re-enlistments for the year-to-date and exceeded that by 2,256. For the reserves, 101,248 were needed for the year-to-date, but only 101,185 were recruited, coming up short 63 people (less than a tenth of a percent).

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htatrit/articles/20060714.aspx

May 16, 2006: In the last seven months, the U.S. Army has met or exceeded all of its recruiting goals. In that time, over 160,000 people have enlisted, or re-enlisted. The total strength of the active duty and reserve forces are 1.2 million men and women, all of them volunteers.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htatrit/articles/20060516.aspx

Also, I think it does signal two other pending events...a draft and an invasion into Iran.

Why?

 

[Navy Pride]

Well, I can't speak for the other branches, but I can assure you that in the Air Force, there's no fine print regarding IRR. It's right there, plain as day, and it was clearly explained to me that my total service obligation was eight years. I have what we called a four by four contract - four years active, four years inactive. There's also the option to sign up for six years active, two years inactive.

Furthermore, if they call you up, you're not usually activated for the entire length of time remaining on your IRR contract. Not everyone that is reactivated is actually deployed, either.

Excellent input Stace..........Thanks

 

[Navy Pride]

There was actually a draft resolution in the HOR brough forward by Charlie Rangel a democrat...........I think the final vote was 402 against 2 for.........Rangel did not even vote for his own resolution......

 

[Saboteur]

There was actually a draft resolution in the HOR brough forward by Charlie Rangel a democrat...........I think the final vote was 402 against 2 for.........Rangel did not even vote for his own resolution......

So Charlie represents all Dems?

 

[MSgt]

I would implore youths today to read the fine print before considering joing our military especially with the unnecessary dangerous situation President Bush has involved us in Iraq, for the recruiters will definetly not point out the "back-door draft" clause nor will they stress about 'Individual Ready Reserve' section and how President Bush can OK the Involuntary Marine Recall which means, you baby, and another 4 year stint in beautiful downtown Baghdad.

Indeed, serving in our armed forces can be very hazardous to your health.

After this, let those who wish to serve after being well informed to 'be our guests', as for the rest of you, be advised that you have no excuses when the President tells you... "We ain't through with you soldier"!








http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/22/marine.recall/index.html

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush has authorized the U.S. Marine Corps to recall 2,500 troops to active duty because there are not enough volunteers returning for duty in Afghanistan and Iraq, Marine commanders announced Tuesday.

The recall was authorized last month, and will begin in spring 2007 to fill positions for upcoming rotations, Marine officials said. The Marine Corps is currently picking volunteers from the Marine Individual Ready Reserve, the officials said.

Marine Col. Guy A. Stratton, head of the manpower mobilization section, told The Associated Press that there is a shortfall of about 1,200 Marines needed to fill positions in upcoming unit deployments...

I was going to post this too. I also wonder want it says about the recruiting situation. I recall some pro-war folks posting that recruiting was way up for the marines and other branches -- appears times have changed.

1) There's nothing "fine print" about this. A typical Active Duty four year contract is accompanied by a four year Inactive Duty status. This is in black and white and even in the same size print as the rest of the contract.

2) "Stints" in Iraq can last from 5 months to 14 months. This depends on the unit. The longer "stints" involve the headquarter units. No one goes to Iraq for "four years" and only fools cry about having to deploy after they enlist only for the benefits.

3) A "dangerous situation" is what welcomes the military in every war - not just the ones you object to. Is it OK that they are being recalled for Afghanistan too or does acknowledging that much break with your theme of childish antics?

4) The Marine Corps continues to meet annual recruitment, despite occassional monthly shorts. The Army has always had sporadic monthly recruiting shorts (to include peace time). However, during times of war, it is natural to see recruiters have difficulty. War has always had a way of weeding out the undesirable benefit seekers from the real "soldiers."

What is the point of this rediculous post again? Ah yes...partisan slavery and bashing. And, of course, the typical exploitation of the military as you do it.

 

[Navy Pride]

So Charlie represents all Dems?

Did I say that? You would think that a bill that he originated he would at least vote for it wouldn't you?