Bush: Hezbollah lost war (1 Viewer)

[KidRocks]

Just who are they trying to convince?

It sure wasn't me because as far as one can see, Hezbollah is still standing, stronger than ever and they showed the world that they are great fighters, well organized, well trained and well disciplined, not to mention well armed.

Israel and Hezbollah stood, like two great fighters, and fought toe to toe and at the end Israel DID NOT score a knockout as predicted by many and expected by most. In fact, Israel was a heavy, heavy favorite in this bout and indeed if Israel won it was barely by a TKO, Israel won on points but just barely.

Israel indeed is very fortunate that Hezbollah does not have a trainer and backer to match Israels like the United States.

I have a feeling that Israel will not pursue another bout with Hezbollah in the near future.

Maybe they can still beat up Syria? You think?








http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/14/bush/index.html

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Bush, just hours after a cease-fire took hold Monday, said Hezbollah guerillas had suffered a sound defeat at the hands of Israel in their monthlong Mideast war.

"There's going to be a new power in the south of Lebanon," Bush said, referring to plans for the Lebanese government, backed by an international force, to reassert control in the area that has been dominated by Hezbollah fighters.

The president also said the war was part of a broader struggle between freedom and terror, and he blamed Iran and Syria for fomenting the conflict between Israel and Hezbollah.

"We can only imagine how much more dangerous this conflict would be if Iran had the nuclear weapon it seeks," the president said.

Bush said Iran and Syria were the primary sponsors of Hezbollah guerrillas who captured two Israeli soldiers, igniting the battle with Israel. More than 900 people were killed in the fighting, and there was massive destruction in southern Lebanon...

 

[Deegan]

Shame on him for countering Hezbollah's assertions that they won, shame on him.:roll:

 

[KidRocks]

Shame on him for countering Hezbollah's assertions that they won, shame on him.:roll:

Bush lost money on heavily favored Israel. He's not to happy with Israels sloppy punches.

 

[Deegan]

Bush lost money on heavily favored Israel. He's not to happy with Israels sloppy punches.

Yeah, way to praise the same animals that killed over 200 hundred of our peace keeping Marines there, you must be so proud.:roll:

These cowards are far from strong, a strong well trained, well funded, well disciplined force would have not hidden in civilian areas. They would have come out in the open, said, here we are, let's get it on, these rats did no such thing, get your head on straight child.:doh

 

[cherokee]

Just who are they trying to convince?

It sure wasn't me because as far as one can see, Hezbollah is still standing, stronger than ever and they showed the world that they are great fighters, well organized, well trained and well disciplined, not to mention well armed.

Israel and Hezbollah stood, like two great fighters, and fought toe to toe and at the end Israel DID NOT score a knockout as predicted by many and expected by most. In fact, Israel was a heavy, heavy favorite in this bout and indeed if Israel won it was barely by a TKO, Israel won on points but just barely.

Israel indeed is very fortunate that Hezbollah does not have a trainer and backer to match Israels like the United States.

I have a feeling that Israel will not pursue another bout with Hezbollah in the near future.

Maybe they can still beat up Syria? You think?

Who are you trying to convince. Tell me just where did the hezbolla stand toe to toe with Israeli army and win the battle?
The hezbolla are ******s that hide among civilians.

PS. The its not over yet......

 

[manthe]

Just who are they trying to convince?

It sure wasn't me because as far as one can see, Hezbollah is still standing, stronger than ever and they showed the world that they are great fighters, well organized, well trained and well disciplined, not to mention well armed.

Israel and Hezbollah stood, like two great fighters, and fought toe to toe and at the end Israel DID NOT score a knockout as predicted by many and expected by most. In fact, Israel was a heavy, heavy favorite in this bout and indeed if Israel won it was barely by a TKO, Israel won on points but just barely.

Israel indeed is very fortunate that Hezbollah does not have a trainer and backer to match Israels like the United States.

I have a feeling that Israel will not pursue another bout with Hezbollah in the near future.

Maybe they can still beat up Syria? You think?








http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/14/bush/index.html

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Bush, just hours after a cease-fire took hold Monday, said Hezbollah guerillas had suffered a sound defeat at the hands of Israel in their monthlong Mideast war.

"There's going to be a new power in the south of Lebanon," Bush said, referring to plans for the Lebanese government, backed by an international force, to reassert control in the area that has been dominated by Hezbollah fighters.

The president also said the war was part of a broader struggle between freedom and terror, and he blamed Iran and Syria for fomenting the conflict between Israel and Hezbollah.

"We can only imagine how much more dangerous this conflict would be if Iran had the nuclear weapon it seeks," the president said.

Bush said Iran and Syria were the primary sponsors of Hezbollah guerrillas who captured two Israeli soldiers, igniting the battle with Israel. More than 900 people were killed in the fighting, and there was massive destruction in southern Lebanon...

Wasn't it Hezbollah and its backers clamoring (read: begging) for the cease-fire? Let me answer that that....yes. Israel wanted to keep going…to finish the job. They weren’t afraid, nor were they at ANY risk at all of losing or running out of arms or fighters. That is the complete antithesis of what is happening with Hezbollah!

You've got to kidding, right. Look at the stats. Look at how much of Hezbollah’s weapons and men were taken out. Now compare that to Israel. They only fought for a few weeks!!! Imagine if they had continued to fight for ANY significant amount of time. Hezbollah was almost half wiped out in 3 or 4 weeks. In another 3 or 4 weeks of fighting, they would have been hanging on by a thread. Do you REALLY believe that they would have won this fight, had it not been interrupted?

I (and everyone I know) can do nothing but laugh and look on with absolute bewilderment when I hear the Hezbollah claims and see the fireworks. It reminds of the early days of the Iraq war with that nut-job Iraqi information minister and his OUTRAGEOUS claims and propaganda.

I can't understand why people think that just because a well armed gang of radical thugs withstood 3 or 4 weeks of fighting (mostly by hiding behind innocent civilians), only loosing half of their weapons and hundreds or thousands of people, they are a strong, legitimate force to be reckoned with.

I think you've been duped by their propaganda.

 

[cherokee]

Yeah, way to praise the same animals that killed over 200 hundred of our peace keeping Marines there, you must be so proud.:roll:

These cowards are far from strong, a strong well trained, well funded, well disciplined force would have not hidden in civilian areas. They would have come out in the open, said, here we are, let's get it on, these rats did no such thing, get your head on straight child.:doh

They don’t have the balls to face you like a man. They believe its ok to fire an RPG behind a woman and her baby, then cry foul when she's killed.

Dee, as for the kid I think you’d have a better chance of teaching your cat to talk.

 

[KidRocks]

Yeah, way to praise the same animals that killed over 200 hundred of our peace keeping Marines there, you must be so proud.:roll:

These cowards are far from strong, a strong well trained, well funded, well disciplined force would have not hidden in civilian areas. They would have come out in the open, said, here we are, let's get it on, these rats did no such thing, get your head on straight child.:doh

Who in the hell asked Israel to attack Lebanon the way they did?

So Hezbollah launched a few pathetic, wayward missles at Israel in the beginning, did Israel have to overreact like they did? I think not. Israel played right into Hezbollahs hands. Israel got what it deserved.

 

[cherokee]

Who in the hell asked Israel to attack Lebanon the way they did?

So Hezbollah launched a few pathetic, wayward missles at Israel in the beginning, did Israel have to overreact like they did? I think not. Israel played right into Hezbollahs hands. Israel got what it deserved.

Its called WAR kid........

Dont start one unless you intend to fight...what is it you dont get?

 

[Deegan]

They don’t have the balls to face you like a man. They believe its ok to fire an RPG behind a woman and her baby, then cry foul when she's killed.

Dee, as for the kid I think you’d have a better chance of teaching your cat to talk.

Ahh hell, he's just being "the Kid", I try not to let him get me worked up, I've been dealing with him for years now, so I have learned.

Although if it were a fight between my cat, and the Kid, my cat would scratch his a$$ till he cried for me to stop!

Be afraid, be very afraid!:shock:

 

[KidRocks]

Yeah, way to praise the same animals that killed over 200 hundred of our peace keeping Marines there, you must be so proud.:roll:

These cowards are far from strong, a strong well trained, well funded, well disciplined force would have not hidden in civilian areas. They would have come out in the open, said, here we are, let's get it on, these rats did no such thing, get your head on straight child.:doh

I beg to differ with you Deegan, Israels own Commandeers praised Hezbollah as "great fighters, well disiplined and well trained" if you don't believe me ask someone else, it was all over the media about a week and a half ago.

 

[manthe]

Who in the hell asked Israel to attack Lebanon the way they did?

So Hezbollah launched a few pathetic, wayward missles at Israel in the beginning, did Israel have to overreact like they did? I think not. Israel played right into Hezbollahs hands. Israel got what it deserved.

What in the WORLD are you talking about? Hezbollah kidnaps soldiers and fired large, deadly, dangerous, explosive rockets into a country....unprovoked. What should Israel have done? Please give us the answer. Ignore it? Do you REALLY think this was the 1st time Hezbollah attacked Israel? Do you REALLY think it will be the last? Why exactly do you think Hezbollah has the right to attack Israel? Why do you think they deserve a merciful, soft response? And, more seriously, how can you conceivably minimize what they did by using the language you did? What if it had been Israel that had "...launched a few pathetic, wayward missles" at someone? How would you have phrased that? I bet it would not have been nearly so dismissive.

If 2 people are robbing a bank with handguns, is it wrong to send 20 cops with machine guns to take care of the situations.

 

[Deegan]

I beg to differ with you Deegan, Israels own Commandeers praised Hezbollah as "great fighters, well disiplined and well trained" if you don't believe me ask someone else, it was all over the media about a week and a half ago.

Praise is the key word here, I doubt they used that word, but please, show me where they "praised" Hezbollah for anything?

 

[cherokee]

Ahh hell, he's just being "the Kid", I try not to let him get me worked up, I've been dealing with him for years now, so I have learned.

Although if it were a fight between my cat, and the Kid, my cat would scratch his a$$ till he cried for me to stop!

Be afraid, be very afraid!:shock:

Naw the kid would be a no-show..........:mrgreen:

 

[KidRocks]

What in the WORLD are you talking about? Hezbollah kidnaps soldiers and fired large, deadly, dangerous, explosive rockets into a country....unprovoked. What should Israel have done? Please give us the answer. Ignore it? Do you REALLY think this was the 1st time Hezbollah attacked Israel? Do you REALLY think it will be the last? Why exactly do you think Hezbollah has the right to attack Israel? Why do you think they deserve a merciful, soft response? And, more seriously, how can you conceivably minimize what they did by using the language you did? What if it had been Israel that had "...launched a few pathetic, wayward missles" at someone? How would you have phrased that? I bet it would not have been nearly so dismissive.

If 2 people are robbing a bank with handguns, is it wrong to send 20 cops with machine guns to take care of the situations.

I think that it was not "unprovoked".

There were articles in the media that did not recieve much attention (and we all know why) that stated how Israel did some kidnapping of their own days before the actual kidnapping of Israeli soldiers.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Lebanon​

​

Israel​

​

Objective (implicit or explicit)
- Liberate 2 Hezbollah members from Israeli jails.
- Liberate Palestine & eliminate “Zionist” entity.
- Create Islamic State in Lebanon.
- Liberate Shebaa Farms
- Liberate 2 Israeli soldiers kidnapped by Hezbollah.
- Downgrade Hezbollah’s capability to fire rockets at Israel.
- Implement 1559 last clause
Objective achieved

?
?​

Buildings destroyed

Thousands of buildings and houses
20​

Bridges destroyed

60
0​

Damaged Airports

3
0​

Displaced people

1,000,000
500,000​

Civilians killed

900
30​

Civilians injured

3,000
600​

Military killed

Unknown number of Hezbollah fighters and Lebanese army troops, but estimated at ~ 200
44​

Damages (in dollars)

4 billion
Unknown​

Loss of tourism business (dollars)

1 billion
Unknown​

Years to rebuild

5 years
1 year​

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=23713

umm ya Israel kicked their ***.

 

[KidRocks]

Praise is the key word here, I doubt they used that word, but please, show me where they "praised" Hezbollah for anything?

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060807/news_1n7hez.html

Israeli soldiers are surprised by Hezbollah's skills, weapons



August 7, 2006

JERUSALEM – On Dec. 26, 2003, a massive earthquake leveled most of Bam, in southeastern Iran, killing 35,000 people. Transport planes carrying aid poured in from everywhere, including Syria.

According to Israeli military intelligence, the planes returned to Syria carrying sophisticated weapons, including long-range Zelzal missiles, which the Syrians passed on to Hezbollah, the Shiite militant group in southern Lebanon.

As the Israeli army struggles for a fourth week to defeat Hezbollah before a cease-fire, the shipments are just one indication of how – with the help of its main sponsors, Iran and Syria – the radical group has sharply improved its arsenal and strategies in the six years since Israel abruptly ended its occupation of southern Lebanon.

Hezbollah's militia is trained like an army and equipped like a state, and its fighters “are nothing like Hamas or the Palestinians,” said an Israeli soldier who just returned from Lebanon. “All of us were kind of surprised.”
Iran and Syria used the last six years to provide satellite communications and some of the world's best infantry weapons, including modern, Russian-made anti-tank weapons and Semtex plastic explosives, as well as the training required to use them effectively.

It is Hezbollah's skillful use of these weapons – in particular, wire-guided and laser-guided anti-tank missiles, with double, phased explosive warheads and a range of about two miles – that has caused most of the casualties to Israeli forces.

Hezbollah's Russian-made anti-tank missiles, designed to penetrate armor, have damaged or destroyed Israeli vehicles, including its most modern, the Merkava, on about 20 percent of their hits, Israeli commanders at the front said.

Hezbollah, run by Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, has also used anti-tank missiles, including the less modern Sagger, to fire from a distance into houses sheltering Israeli troops, with a first explosion that cracks the typical cement block wall and the second going off inside.

“They use them like artillery to hit houses,” said Brig. Gen. Yossi Kuperwasser, until recently the Israeli army's director of intelligence analysis. “They can use them accurately up to even three kilometers.” ...

 

[manthe]

I think that it was not "unprovoked".

There were articles in the media that did not recieve much attention (and we all know why) that stated how Israel did some kidnapping of their own days before the actual kidnapping of Israeli soldiers.

It is widely accespted, even by governments in the mid-east, that Hezbollah got this party started.

There are articles in the media that claim people were abducted and probed by space aliens. There are articles iin the media that claim that 911 was set up and executed by the US government. There are articles in the media that claim that a family had a picnic with Bigfoot. There are articles in the media that claim that there is a race of aliens that live beneath the surface of the Earth with the help and support of the US, UK and Israeli governments. There are articles in the media.....you get the point. None of them recieve much attention (and we all know why). You belive what you want to believe, dude. Twist the world to fit into your desired reality. You've chosen your side. Nothing I or any one says is going to bring you to the other side. Nothing you say (on this subject) is ever going to make sense to me. I'm not stupid, and you probably aren't either.

 

[KidRocks]

Praise is the key word here, I doubt they used that word, but please, show me where they "praised" Hezbollah for anything?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...,1,1130159.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed




Hezbollah proves tough foe for Israeli army

By Joel Greenberg
Tribune foreign correspondent
Published August 14, 2006


HAIFA, Israel -- Leading a column of soldiers in the early-morning darkness in the village of Markabeh in southern Lebanon, Lt. Yonatan Lehrer and his point squad walked into a Hezbollah firestorm.

Gunfire, anti-tank rockets and grenades ripped into the Israeli troops. Two soldiers flanking Lehrer were killed, and an army doctor who rushed to treat the wounded died when a grenade exploded in his face.

Blasts sent shrapnel tearing through Lehrer's cheek, mangled one of his hands and blew two fingers off the other.

As the casualties were moved back for treatment, Hezbollah guerrillas gave chase, hurling grenades and firing at the soldiers as they evacuated the dead and wounded.

"They ambushed us," Lehrer, 22, said, recounting the Aug. 4 incident from a hospital bed in a room decked with banners of his Golani Brigade and pictures of his fallen comrades. "It was the first time I encountered such intensity of combat, face to face."

After more than a month of fighting Hezbollah in southern Lebanon, the Israeli army is emerging bloodied from a war with an adversary that put up tougher resistance than expected and could continue to harry the Israelis until their expected replacement by Lebanese troops and a beefed-up UN force.

In ground fighting and in rocket attacks on Israeli towns and cities, Hezbollah demonstrated an ability to fight back and inflict casualties despite punishing Israeli artillery and air assaults, naval shelling and ground assaults that the army says have killed more than 500 guerrillas.

In interviews at Rambam Hospital in Haifa, wounded Israeli soldiers described a well-equipped and highly motivated enemy that often stood its ground and fought to the death rather than retreat in the face of the Israeli onslaught.

Instead of confronting the Israelis head-on, the Hezbollah fighters used guerrilla tactics, moving in small groups and trying to surprise the Israeli troops with ambushes from houses and scrub-covered hills.

"They know the terrain very well, they have up-to-date equipment, including night-vision gear, and they are true believers in what they are doing," said Staff Sgt. Gur Nedzvetsky, 21, a paratrooper wounded in the village of Ayta al-Shaab. "The most important thing is to be prepared emotionally for battle, and in that they are very strong."

Hezbollah's most effective weapon in the ground fighting was an array of Russian-made anti-tank missiles, which the Israelis say were supplied by Syria and Iran. The missiles proved effective in penetrating the armor of Israel's Merkava tanks and smashing through houses in which Israeli troops took up positions.

"We are talking about a variety of rockets and missiles that are state-of-the-art," said Brig. Gen. Yossi Kuperwasser, who until May was head of the research division in Israeli military intelligence. "They use the anti-tank weapons both as an artillery piece and as an anti-tank missile."

 

[Hammer]

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060807/news_1n7hez.html

Israeli soldiers are surprised by Hezbollah's skills, weapons



August 7, 2006

JERUSALEM – On Dec. 26, 2003, a massive earthquake leveled most of Bam, in southeastern Iran, killing 35,000 people. Transport planes carrying aid poured in from everywhere, including Syria.

According to Israeli military intelligence, the planes returned to Syria carrying sophisticated weapons, including long-range Zelzal missiles, which the Syrians passed on to Hezbollah, the Shiite militant group in southern Lebanon.

As the Israeli army struggles for a fourth week to defeat Hezbollah before a cease-fire, the shipments are just one indication of how – with the help of its main sponsors, Iran and Syria – the radical group has sharply improved its arsenal and strategies in the six years since Israel abruptly ended its occupation of southern Lebanon.

Hezbollah's militia is trained like an army and equipped like a state, and its fighters “are nothing like Hamas or the Palestinians,” said an Israeli soldier who just returned from Lebanon. “All of us were kind of surprised.”
Iran and Syria used the last six years to provide satellite communications and some of the world's best infantry weapons, including modern, Russian-made anti-tank weapons and Semtex plastic explosives, as well as the training required to use them effectively.

It is Hezbollah's skillful use of these weapons – in particular, wire-guided and laser-guided anti-tank missiles, with double, phased explosive warheads and a range of about two miles – that has caused most of the casualties to Israeli forces.

Hezbollah's Russian-made anti-tank missiles, designed to penetrate armor, have damaged or destroyed Israeli vehicles, including its most modern, the Merkava, on about 20 percent of their hits, Israeli commanders at the front said.

Hezbollah, run by Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, has also used anti-tank missiles, including the less modern Sagger, to fire from a distance into houses sheltering Israeli troops, with a first explosion that cracks the typical cement block wall and the second going off inside.

“They use them like artillery to hit houses,” said Brig. Gen. Yossi Kuperwasser, until recently the Israeli army's director of intelligence analysis. “They can use them accurately up to even three kilometers.” ...

As long as we are using fighters to demonstrate these battles, Joe Louis ALWAYS praised his opponents for being well trained and said they fought well, and that he was lucky to have won, even after he beat the hell out of his opponent and knocked him out. You can't take a headline about a soldier who has been in the thick of it and may respect his adversary and says this sort of thing, and run too far with it. War is hell for everybody. I'd say everybody loses with so many civilians, women, and children on both sides dying and suffering. Bush shouldn't be announcing any victor. He is not a referee. Israel won a split decision. If the fight had continued, it would have been a knockout for sure, but at great expense.

 

[The_Real_ElRoi]

Hizbollah declares "strategic" victory over Israel
Reuters
Mon Aug 14, 2006 6:55 PM BST147

BEIRUT (Reuters) - Hizbollah chief Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah said on Monday his guerrillas had achieved a "strategic and historic victory" over Israel and that it was the "wrong time" to publicly discuss disarming the group.

"We are before a strategic and historic victory, without any exaggeration," Nasrallah said in a televised address 12 hours after a UN truce halted fighting between the group and Israel.

He said teams from Hizbollah would start from Tuesday repairing homes damaged by Israeli strikes and said the guerrilla group would pay one year's rent and the cost of furniture to every owner of about 15,000 destroyed homes.
(http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/art..._L14268724_RTRUKOC_0_UK-MIDEAST-NASRALLAH.xml)

 

[26 X World Champs]

Who in the hell asked Israel to attack Lebanon the way they did?

So Hezbollah launched a few pathetic, wayward missles at Israel in the beginning, did Israel have to overreact like they did? I think not. Israel played right into Hezbollahs hands. Israel got what it deserved.

I totally disagree with you, sorry. Hezbollah is a TERRORIST organization who's hell bent on destroying Israel and killing all 6 million Israelis. They instigated this war, and did so ON PURPOSE at the behest of Iran to divert attention away from Iran's nuclear program.

Hard to believe that I'm going to write this but in this one instance Bush is correct. Israel could have continued to decimate Hezbollah but common sense politically dictated that it was time to stop. They made their point. I don;t think they could have wiped out Hezbollah but they definitely wounded them big time who knows maybe the real government of Lebanon will end up being the last man standing, something that was not going to happen without Israel's invasion...

 

[Voidwar]

I totally disagree with you, sorry. Hezbollah is a TERRORIST organization who's hell bent on destroying Israel and killing all 6 million Israelis. They instigated this war, and did so ON PURPOSE at the behest of Iran to divert attention away from Iran's nuclear program.

Hard to believe that I'm going to write this but in this one instance Bush is correct. Israel could have continued to decimate Hezbollah ...

I gotta say kudos to you for a lil objectivity. I did not think I would ever see you give Bush any credit. Ok, go on back to hating me, but still, nice job :2razz:

 

[26 X World Champs]

I gotta say kudos to you for a lil objectivity. I did not think I would ever see you give Bush any credit. Ok, go on back to hating me, but still, nice job :2razz:

I believe that even a clock is right twice a day....but seriously if Bush does something that is correct (i.e. attack Afghanistan or support Israel) I have no problem acknowledging his correctness. Likewise when he does something wrong I have no problem arguing against him.

The thing is that in my humble opinion he's wrong almost all the time which is why he sucks so much...but when he's right I will also state such...You know one thing about being a Liberal is that we are cool with change on all sorts of levels...something that being Conservative doesn't allow since the definition of conservatism is to resist change...

 

[Voidwar]

Oh, I wouldn't know, as I am not a conservative :2razz: