Bush Halts Deposits to Oil Reserve (1 Viewer)

[jfuh]

Perhaps by far the most unenvironmental president of all. In order to decrease pump prices Bush is sacrificing air quality. I guess he must have actually watched something on TV about global dimming but in contrast he missed the fine point about the death sentence of global dimming.
It doesn't sound like much and seems like only a temporary measure until gas prices return to normal. However that's really the catch isn't it? Deposits into the strategic reserve would resume without a hitch, but when will the environmental concerns return? When the new congress is sworn in perhaps? Or the next president is sworn in? Anytime there are economic interests at stake the environment is the first to go out the window. When will ppl realize that economy is useless if you're living in a $hithole? Our atmosphere has no borders, pollutions doesn't just stop when you reach a nations borders, it's a world wide ordeal.
There's a double standard that the Bushies take on all aspects of law. When it is on you, the law is definite, no way around. However the law is inapplicable to me because :spin:. THis is nothing but another political move so as to keep ppl too stupid to know otherwise to maintain the GOP majority and bolster his poll ratings, since it seems that his numbers are affected by pump prices. Idiot.

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[Gill]

Re: Another stupid Bush move

Thank you President Bush!!

The hodgepodge of state and local requirements for gas additives are a joke that has constricted our gas supply. It was just a few years ago that so-called environmentalists were championing MTBE as an additive to save our skies. Now we find that it was poisoning our groundwater.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

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Are the easing of environmental standards temporary or perminant? If its a temporary deal, then its probably a necessary evil. If its perminant, its going to lead to increased smog over many U.S. cities. This is a big deal being that air pollution kills some 50,000 Americans a year.

 

[jfuh]

Re: Another stupid Bush move

Thank you President Bush!!

The hodgepodge of state and local requirements for gas additives are a joke that has constricted our gas supply. It was just a few years ago that so-called environmentalists were championing MTBE as an additive to save our skies. Now we find that it was poisoning our groundwater.

I guess you enjoy the inhalation of carcinogens.

 

[Gill]

Re: Another stupid Bush move

I guess you enjoy the inhalation of carcinogens.

I sure don't like drinking them either.

 

[jfuh]

Re: Another stupid Bush move

Are the easing of environmental standards temporary or perminant? If its a temporary deal, then its probably a necessary evil. If its perminant, its going to lead to increased smog over many U.S. cities. This is a big deal being that air pollution kills some 50,000 Americans a year.

The easing is "temporary". However on the basis of how this measure was put into effect, it's essentially a permanent ban. The guidlines were because of too great an economic cost, on that rational, when will it never be too great?
Pathetic.

 

[jfuh]

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I sure don't like drinking them either.

Though not as strong as the inhalents, you have a choice to or not to drink alcohols.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Re: Another stupid Bush move

Thank you President Bush!!

The hodgepodge of state and local requirements for gas additives are a joke that has constricted our gas supply. It was just a few years ago that so-called environmentalists were championing MTBE as an additive to save our skies. Now we find that it was poisoning our groundwater.

Environmentalists have primarily been championing greater conservation and efficiency as a solution to our oil dependency problems. If we had listened to them, we would be driving more efficient vehicles today and gas would be much cheaper as a result.

We have less than 5% of the worlds oil reserves yet we consume 30% of the worlds annual oil production. It is simply impossible for us to drill our way to energy independence. Significant increases in CAFE standards and other mandated energy efficiency improvements is the only way we can significantly decrease our dependence on oil and have any real effect on long term gas prices.

All this bashing of conservationists by the right leads nowhere but to increased profits for the oil industry. The ideas championed by conservationists are the solution, not the problem.

 

[jfuh]

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Environmentalists have primarily been championing greater conservation and efficiency as a solution to our oil dependency problems. If we had listened to them, we would be driving more efficient vehicles today and gas would be much cheaper as a result.

We have less than 5% of the worlds oil reserves yet we consume 30% of the worlds annual oil production. It is simply impossible for us to drill our way to energy independence. Significant increases in CAFE standards and other mandated energy efficiency improvements is the only way we can significantly decrease our dependence on oil and have any real effect on long term gas prices.

All this bashing of conservationists by the right leads nowhere but to increased profits for the oil industry. The ideas championed by conservationists are the solution, not the problem.

Ironically the traditional conservative is an environmentalist. Somehow that all got lost in cuddling up to big oil and detroit.
Now the "conservatives" just snicker and laugh when some one claims to be an environmentalists, laughing when ppl bring up global warming. Casting environmentalists as tree hugging pot smoking hippies. As if they did not have to breath the same air that we breath, same water resources that we use, ect. What happened?

 

[Binary_Digit]

Re: Another stupid Bush move

I agree that higher gas prices are a good thing, because it will push us harder toward using alternate fuels. But if the gas companies are price cheating, they need to be punished for it. It's illegal because it's really bad for the economy.

 

[ludahai]

Re: Another stupid Bush move

There are so many boutique fuels in local areas, that it cuts down on refining capacity. It would be far better for local governments to agree on a limited number of blends so as to not hamper refining capacity in the future. As for the MBTE, it has to go. Democrats whined about their false charges that Bush was adding arsenic to the ground water. Well, it turns out Democrats added poisons to the water, and they are critical of a move to end that! Hypocrites!

 

[jfuh]

Re: Another stupid Bush move

There are so many boutique fuels in local areas, that it cuts down on refining capacity. It would be far better for local governments to agree on a limited number of blends so as to not hamper refining capacity in the future. As for the MBTE, it has to go. Democrats whined about their false charges that Bush was adding arsenic to the ground water. Well, it turns out Democrats added poisons to the water, and they are critical of a move to end that! Hypocrites!

THought it's a dismay that MTBE contaminates ground water. Also MTBE is only used in some states, other's use ethanol to oxygenate fuel. However, one step at a time, at least there are some politicians and government officials whom see the writing on the wall.
Polluted air is a visible hazard, polluting with CO2 however is an unseen hazard. Now if that next step can be made.

 

[Gill]

Re: Another stupid Bush move

Though not as strong as the inhalents, you have a choice to or not to drink alcohols.

What the hell does MTBE in the groundwater have to do with alcohol????

 

[Calm2Chaos]

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Since IMHO one of the major causes for the price of gas are evironmetalist and there agenda. I Think they can suck it up and live with whatever has been proposed till the price comes down

 

[KCConservative]

Re: Another stupid Bush move

Since IMHO one of the major causes for the price of gas are evironmetalist and there agenda. I Think they can suck it up and live with whatever has been proposed till the price comes down

Bravo. Yeah, God forbid we should ever tap into our own resources here at home. The tree huggers do all this complaining but never want to face the sensible solutions. ANWAR NOW!

 

[Captain America]

Re: Another stupid Bush move

I would hope that the subsidies given to the oil industry from the government, (as they enjoy profit record breaking years,) will be stopped and that money would be earmarked for research to end our addiction to oil altogether.

I hear Mr. Bush talking. Too much, too little, too late. I think as long as we have oil men running the Whitehouse, and their partisan minions ruling the houses, we can't reasonably expect any relief in the near future, no matter how much they pretend to care. Just my opinion.

How many out there think that Bush and Cheney would push for a project that would lessen our dependancy on the oil industry and thereby cut their profits?

 

[Gill]

Re: Another stupid Bush move

How many out there think that Bush and Cheney would push for a project that would lessen our dependancy on the oil industry and thereby cut their profits?

Despite all the hoopla claiming that Bush and Cheney are "oil men", I fail to see the connection. Just because Bush once (many years ago) had an interest in an oil company and Cheney worked for a company that supplied the oil industry, why do you believe they still have an interest in it?? And why do you feel that they care about oil company profits?

 

[KCConservative]

Re: Another stupid Bush move

I would hope that the subsidies given to the oil industry from the government, (as they enjoy profit record breaking years,) will be stopped and that money would be earmarked for research to end our addiction to oil altogether.

I hear Mr. Bush talking. Too much, too little, too late. I think as long as we have oil men running the Whitehouse, and their partisan minions ruling the houses, we can't reasonably expect any relief in the near future, no matter how much they pretend to care. Just my opinion.

How many out there think that Bush and Cheney would push for a project that would lessen our dependancy on the oil industry and thereby cut their profits?

Thank you, Tim Robbins. You are on the record as condemning people for having successful careers before going into politics or for working under this president. It's too simplistic and jealous driven. There is no sense to this argument.

Yes, count me as one who believes Bush would support lessening our dependency.

 

[Captain America]

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Count me as one who believes Bush would support lessening our dependency.

Duly noted. :rofl

 

[Calm2Chaos]

Re: Another stupid Bush move

Bravo. Yeah, God forbid we should ever tap into our own resources here at home. The tree huggers do all this complaining but never want to face the sensible solutions. ANWAR NOW!

Lets get some damm drilling started. Lets build some platforms some refineries and some nuclear plants... You want to say FU to the ME then start developing what we have... Start developing the alternatives to take us into the future. But stop hugging the ****ing tree with one hand and bitching at the pump with the other... Your getting what you wanted.. now you have to pay for it.....

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

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What I find twisted is that the ethanol used as an additive is being imported. Why do you suppose that is? Two basic reasons - 1) we don't have the refining capabilities - 2) because it's not yet a big enough incentive for our farmers to grow the corn/soy bean/etc needed to make ethanol. One of the richest farm lands in the world & we make it easier to import corn-alcohol.

We need to stop paying farmers not to grow a crop & give them an incentive to grow corn or other ethanol producing crops. We need to give incentives to businesses who will invest in ethanol refining. AND, we need to drill for our own damn oil here in the states. E85, while not quite as efficient as regular gasoline, is cleaner & will reduce the price of fueling our vehicles. If Brazil can become energy self-sufficient - why can't this country?

 

[Captain America]

Re: Another stupid Bush move

My day gig, which relates to the yeast industry, is expecting a pretty good boost in sales thanks to ethinol. We used to depend on bakers and beer makers. Now, suddenly, we find ourselves in the energy industry.

Move over Exxon........:rofl

 

[jfuh]

Re: Another stupid Bush move

What the hell does MTBE in the groundwater have to do with alcohol????

For someone that has cracked oil for the last 27 years and has some understanding of the oil industry, it's difficult to fathom how it is you don't undersand the relationship between ethanol and MTBE to oxygenate fuel.
Here' I'll fill you in. After several clean air acts had been passed both locally and nationally oil companies used two methods to oxygenate fuel. Depending on region. In most of the midwest regions and those close to "distillers" ethanol blends of 10% EtOH were used, where as in other areas MTBE was used.
That's the relationship gill.

 

[Captain America]

Re: Another stupid Bush move

Pardon me for going off topic, but what exactly is meant by "cracked oil?"

 

[jfuh]

Re: Another stupid Bush move

Despite all the hoopla claiming that Bush and Cheney are "oil men", I fail to see the connection. Just because Bush once (many years ago) had an interest in an oil company and Cheney worked for a company that supplied the oil industry, why do you believe they still have an interest in it?? And why do you feel that they care about oil company profits?

You fail to see the connection between Bush inc and his bosses at Exxon, BP, and Shell? How about this, assurance immediately after the SOU address on Jan. 31 to the oil execs that nothing would change?
What would be the motive? Lol, I don't know gill you worked in the industry you tell me, what good would it be to Bush inc for big oil to have him in their back pockets?