TimmyBoy said:You must be referring to King George Bush. About the only good thing I can say about King George Bush is that he does have some backbone.
DeeJayH said:history cares about the Big Events
they will not care about the minutia, the petty partisan bickering, etc.....
they will see him as a leader who kept the country out of recession/depression through his tax cuts
and that he took the battle to the enemy, resulting in no further attacks on american soil, and establishing true democracies in the ME
whereas Clinton will be remembered for getting impeached for a Blowjob
and just happening to be in office when the Internet/pc revolution took off.....none of which he had anything to do with
DeeJayH said:history cares about the Big Events
they will not care about the minutia, the petty partisan bickering, etc.....
they will see him as a leader who kept the country out of recession/depression through his tax cuts
and that he took the battle to the enemy, resulting in no further attacks on american soil, and establishing true democracies in the ME
whereas Clinton will be remembered for getting impeached for a Blowjob
and just happening to be in office when the Internet/pc revolution took off.....none of which he had anything to do with
Naheeh said:I believe Reagan was better. A good president must be able to unify to some degree and I don't believe that Bush has been able to do that. That said, I think the liberals would fight him at every turn if he tried to.
Stace said:You're kidding, right?
Keeping us out of recession? Yeah, that's why the job market reached an all time low, and why we have an $8 trillion DEFICIT, when we had a major surplus to begin with......
And whatever is going to actually be accomplished in Iraq has yet to be seen.....
DeeJayH said:whereas Clinton will be remembered for getting impeached for a Blowjob
and just happening to be in office when the Internet/pc revolution took off.....none of which he had anything to do with
Naheeh said:I believe Reagan was better. A good president must be able to unify to some degree and I don't believe that Bush has been able to do that. That said, I think the liberals would fight him at every turn if he tried to.
DeeJayH said:you clearly do not understand the economic implications of the Terrorist attacks and the bursting of the internet bubble.
that is what sent this country into recession, and bush's tax cuts are what turned the economy around
were you aware that when Bush was up for Re-election, the Unemployment rate was the EXACT SAME as when Slick Willy was up for re-election
yet clinton did not have the devastion of 9/11 to deal with
on 9/11 25% of Lower Manhattans office space was destroyed
airline companies went out of business within days of the attack
Pile that on top of the Irrational Exhuberance people had in the stock market, shake some Democratic Tax Increases, and you have the makings for a DEPRESSION
Instead we have very low levels of unemployment
we have record high home ownership for minorities
we have a growing economy that the Euros are jealous of
as far as the 'fantasy surplus' it was all a projection from when the economy was on fire from the internet revolution
there was never Billions, much less trillions of dollars sitting in the treasury that bush stole
and if there was a surplus, i sure as hell would expect a tax refund, because that is my money and yours, not the govt's
and you want to cry about the deficit
are you aware that as a result of the Bush tax cuts
and as a result of Bushs drunken sailor spending
RECORD Dollars are coming into the Treasury
would i rather have a balanced budget?
would i rather have a surplus?
yes.............however only if the Economy was stron
what does a fictitious surplus mean when the economy is tanking and people are losing jobs left and right because the economy is shrinking
The world and the US economy is not as simple as the Anti Bush Liberal Media portray it
TimmyBoy said:Damn liberals and republicans both need to fight Bush at every turn because he has demonstrated that he is willing to use secrecy to violate our freedoms or that he is coming dangerously close and the Congress and the American people need to get some damn balls set his ass straight on a few things. I understand their is a real terrorist threat, but you aren't going to beat these guys by destroying freedom here at home.
Stace said:I didn't get anything out of this except for your partisan babble.
Give me some neutral sources, and then we can talk.
But my statements, and your opinions on the subject, is clearly the difference between the Rep/Cons and Dems/ Libswere you aware that when Bush was up for Re-election, the Unemployment rate was the EXACT SAME as when Slick Willy was up for re-election
on 9/11 25% of Lower Manhattans office space was destroyed
airline companies went out of business within days of the attack
Instead we have very low levels of unemployment
we have record high home ownership for minorities
we have a growing economy that the Euros are jealous of
as far as the 'fantasy surplus' it was all a projection from when the economy was on fire from the internet revolution
there was never Billions, much less trillions of dollars sitting in the treasury that bush stole
RECORD Dollars are coming into the Treasury
Stace said:You're kidding, right?
Keeping us out of recession? Yeah, that's why the job market reached an all time low, and why we have an $8 trillion DEFICIT, when we had a major surplus to begin with......
The Real McCoy said:The debt was about $6 trillion when Bush took office, the surplus was only in the budget.
Stace said:I'm not responding further until you guys can provide me with sources. And yes, there ARE sources out there that aren't partisan. Look, and you WILL find them.
Without sources, all you guys are saying is nothing but hearsay and opinion as far as I'm concerned.
Stace said:I'm not responding further until you guys can provide me with sources. And yes, there ARE sources out there that aren't partisan. Look, and you WILL find them.
Without sources, all you guys are saying is nothing but hearsay and opinion as far as I'm concerned.
The Real McCoy said:http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdhisto4.htm
There ya go, straight from the Bureau of Public Debt... doesn't get any more factual than that.
Stace said:Ok, I'll give you guys the info on the deficit/budget, but what about the rest of it, such as these unemployment rates and such?
And where did all of that money that Clinton set aside for Social Security, that money that wasn't supposed to be touched except for Social Security, go?
Stace said:Also, as you'll see from this chart obtained from the Bureau of Labor, unemployment rates were steadily declining under Clinton's administration, and while they are finally coming down again, they skyrocketed in Bush's first four years.