argexpat
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argexpat said:Congratulations to President Draft-Dodging Chickenhawk for finally coming up with a "strategy for victory" in Iraq. (Note to President Dumbass: A good stratagy for victory is to have a strategy for victory before the war.)
Too bad this "strategy" is the same ol' rehashed "stay the course" blather he's been spewing for the last two years.
Stay what course? The course where you send in just enough troops to lose? Where you ignore pre-war military planning? Where you create a terrorist training ground where there was non before? Where you stretch our military to the breaking point because you thought we'd be "greeted as liberators" and declared "mission accomplished" two months into the war and so didn't plan for a drawn out occupation and bloody insurgency? Where you like to strut around in a flight suit proclaiming yourself commander-in-chief uttering dangerous inanities like "Bring it on!" yet you don't admit a single mistake let alone take resposibility for your egregious blunders? Stay that course?
God help our troops.
heyjoeo said:The "Mission Accomplished" incident was when Bush got up onto the aircraft carrier and declared "major military operations were over" in Iraq. Funny guy, if I do say so myself
heyjoeo said:The "Mission Accomplished" incident was when Bush got up onto the aircraft carrier and declared "major military operations were over" in Iraq. Funny guy, if I do say so myself
my fellow Americans, major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed.
And now our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country.
We have difficult work to do in Iraq. We're bringing order to parts of that country that remain dangerous.
We are helping to rebuild Iraq where the dictator built palaces for himself instead of hospitals and schools.
And we will stand with the new leaders of Iraq as they establish a government of, by and for the Iraqi people.
The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time, but it is worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done and then we will leave and we will leave behind a free Iraq.
SOMETHING else has to be done besides the status quo,
As Bush administration rhetoric has turned towards preparing the American public for a reduction in US forces in Iraq, the US military has been gradually – almost imperceptibly – changing its on-the-ground tactics to prepare for a smaller footprint after the December 15 elections
people familiar with the changing tactics said the military was moving towards a post-election “clear, hold and build” counter-insurgency plan based largely on the lessons learned from the failures of the anti-Vietcong campaign during the Vietnam war.
Under such tactics – credited to Vietnam veteran and counter insurgency expert Andrew Krepinevich, who has advised Zalmay Khalilzad, the US ambassador to Baghdad, on military issues – coalition and Iraqi forces will concentrate on securing and holding urban areas and gradually expanding their area of influence, a process called an “oil-spot” strategy.
In briefings to the US military’s joint staff and defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld’s office, Mr Krepinevich, who has been highly critical of the lack of a country-wide counter-insurgency plan, has argued that through embedding US forces in Iraqi units and relying more heavily on those Iraqi units as the core of the “oil-spot”, the Pentagon should be able to rely on 120,000 troops, or 17,000 fewer than previous levels.
Few people want to "cut and run". I am democrat and know quite well we cannot and should not leave Iraq. Though timetables are needed for the steps towards exit. Goals are great but if your goal doesnt have a deadline it is nothing but a nice goal to have.Calm2Chaos said:I am assuming running away is the smarter answer?
Calm2Chaos said:Would seem that the President has had a plan from the start when he said this wasn't going to be over right away. That it was going to take time and resolve.....
KCConservative said:Hey, arg, this was the strategy all along. Just because he is now telling the whining left, doesn't mean it hasn't always been there.
KCConservative said:I kind of thought someone might say that. Here, let me help.
"White House spokesman Scott McClellan told CNN that in preparing for the speech, Navy officials on the carrier told Bush aides they wanted a "Mission Accomplished" banner, and the White House agreed to create it."
"We took care of the production of it," McClellan said. "We have people to do those things. But the Navy actually put it up."
"The banner signified the successful completion of the ship's deployment," he said, noting the Abraham Lincoln was deployed 290 days, longer than any other nuclear-powered aircraft carrier in history."
Gibberish said:Few people want to "cut and run". I am democrat and know quite well we cannot and should not leave Iraq. Though timetables are needed for the steps towards exit. Goals are great but if your goal doesnt have a deadline it is nothing but a nice goal to have.
Gibberish said:The war “could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.” – Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld [2/7/03]
“The notion that it would take several hundred thousand American troops just seems outlandish.” -Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, [3/4/03]
“We will, in fact, be greeted as liberators. . . . I think it will go relatively quickly... (in) weeks rather than months.” – Vice President Cheney [3/16/03]
oldreliable67 said:As Bush stated in his Annapolis speech, and somewhat paraphrasing Krepinevich, what we don't need in Iraq is more US troops, we need more Iraqi troops. And thats what we're doing.
Bungling the war is your opinion, arg. That doesn't make it so. The strategy has been clear from the very beginning. Take off the hate blinders.argexpat said:Bungling the war and getting soldiers needlessy killed was the strategy all along? Then mission definitely accomplished!
argexpat said:Who cares who put the banner up. Bush stood underneath it and declared "major combat operations in Iraq have ended" after posing for a photo op in that stupid flight suit, thus mocking all the actual pilots who didn't dodge the draft and fought in an actual war (like his father). If he had planned the war as well as he planned that inane farce, we might have stood a chance of actually accomplishing the mission.
Since that fatuous stunt, more than 2,100 soldiers have been killed and 15,000 injured. Tell them "major combat" ended back in April of 2003. If Bush were to pull that stunt today, it would come off as grotesquely callous, which is exactly what it was back then.
oldreliable67 said:As Bush stated in his Annapolis speech, and somewhat paraphrasing Krepinevich, what we don't need in Iraq is more US troops, we need more Iraqi troops. And thats what we're doing.
argexpat said:Not according to this.
Gibberish said:Why so many "Plan for Victory"? So just incase anyone forgot what they were there for. I it says it right on the banners so he must really have a plan right? I have never seen a President use so much propogranda and eye candy before. I can't wait to start seeing the commercials and the movie of the week "Plan for Victory".
KCConservative said:Oh good Lord. You crazy libs have been clamoring for him to give more information about the war plan. Now that he does, you criticize it. Your partisan hate is apparent but your logic is AWOL.
Let me guess. You hate President Bush. And no matter whay he does or says, it isn't good enough. Is that about it?Gibberish said:I am critizing how commercial the President has become not what he said or that he finally said something. Try not making assumptions next time.
KCConservative said:Let me guess. You hate President Bush. And no matter whay he does or says, it isn't good enough. Is that about it?
You'd rather he flip back and forth on issues, or what? That he has remained consistant in his message is exactly what I like best about him.Gibberish said:Over the past 4 years I am getting tired of hearing the exact same speech rephrased every way possible with little change in actions.
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