Bush acknowledges secret CIA prisons (1 Viewer)

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Bush acknowledges secret CIA prisons

President pushes legislation to try detainees transferred to Guantanamo

WASHINGTON - President Bush on Wednesday acknowledged the existence of previously secret CIA prisons around the world and said 14 high-value terrorism suspects — including the mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks — have been transferred from the system to Guantanamo Bay for trials.

He said the “small number” of detainees that have been kept in CIA custody include people responsible for the bombing of the USS Cole in 2000 in Yemen and the 1998 attacks on U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, in addition to the 2001 attacks.



http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14689359/?GT1=8506

OK so apparently he's going to transfer the detainees to Guantanamoe and go to Congress to seak approval for the military tribunals in compliance with the Hamdan decision. Unsuprisingly the Democrats are pissed because this takes away a few of their big complaints against the Bush administrations prosecution of the war on terror in one foul swoop ie the secret prisons, non-compliance with Hamdan, and lack of due process for terrorists.

 

[Deegan]

Well I certainly hope he does not expose where they are, and what countries were involved, that would be a serious mistake!

 

[aps]

Oh, I guess no one else posted a thread on this issue already.

*sarcasm*

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news/13392-bush-cia-kept-terror-suspects-secret-prisons.html

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Oh, I guess no one else posted a thread on this issue already.

*sarcasm*

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news/13392-bush-cia-kept-terror-suspects-secret-prisons.html

Ya but unsurpisingly Kid doesn't get to the heart of the matter, he makes no mention of the fact that the detainees will be transferred to Gitmo and that Bush is going to go to Congress to seak approval to restart military tribunals in compliance with Hamdan. Like I said unsuprisingly Democrats are pissed.

 

[Deegan]

Ya but unsurpisingly Kid doesn't get to the heart of the matter, he makes no mention of the fact that the detainees will be transferred to Gitmo and that Bush is going to go to Congress to seak approval to restart military tribunals in compliance with Hamdan. Like I said unsuprisingly Democrats are pissed.

I agree, new problem, new solution, and Bush had little choice, this should be the discussion.

 

[disneydude]

Wow:

Bush admitting the secret prisons and going to congress to seek approval for the tribunals.
Wow, President Bush complying with the law.
Thought I would never see the day.
A good day for America that the President decides to follow the law. Wow.

 

[Red_Dave]

OK so apparently he's going to transfer the detainees to Guantanamoe and go to Congress to seak approval for the military tribunals in compliance with the Hamdan decision. Unsuprisingly the Democrats are pissed because this takes away a few of their big complaints against the Bush administrations prosecution of the war on terror in one foul swoop ie the secret prisons, non-compliance with Hamdan, and lack of due process for terrorists.

I thought bush represented the rule of law? im aware of no european country in which detaining people without trial is legal. Im somewhat perturbed by the fact the president can admit such criminality yet no one bats an eyelid:roll:

 

[Captain America]

Wow:

Bush admitting the secret prisons and going to congress to seek approval for the tribunals.
Wow, President Bush complying with the law.
Thought I would never see the day.
A good day for America that the President decides to follow the law. Wow.

Too little too late.....

 

[Captain America]

I thought bush represented the rule of law? im aware of no european country in which detaining people without trial is legal. Im somewhat perturbed by the fact the president can admit such criminality yet no one bats an eyelid:roll:

I think people have been de-sensitized and rather expect such antics from the Oval Office these days.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

I thought bush represented the rule of law? im aware of no european country in which detaining people without trial is legal. Im somewhat perturbed by the fact the president can admit such criminality yet no one bats an eyelid:roll:

Really I'm aware of no precedent in which enemy combatants have been granted a trial while the war still rages, that's the problem with you people this isn't a criminal matter it's a war!

 

[akyron]

Really I'm aware of no precedent in which enemy combatants have been granted a trial while the war still rages, that's the problem with you people this isn't a criminal matter it's a war!

The president has likely squeezed all the good info out of them already so it does not really matter now. He has gladly tossed them back to the appeasers for some TLC and free politcal capital. Good move.

 

[Deegan]

This is all about to backfire on the democrats if they are not careful, I see the republicans are still brilliant at this sort of thing.

 

[TheNextEra]

, that's the problem with you people this isn't a criminal matter it's a war!

Yeah just like the "War on Drugs". Hows that one going BTW? :rofl

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Yeah just like the "War on Drugs". Hows that one going BTW? :rofl

I never met a kilo of cocaine that flew planes into buildings.

 

[TheNextEra]

I never met a kilo of cocaine that flew planes into buildings.

It's still a war isn't it? That's what conservatives like to say.

 

[faithful_servant]

It's almost sad to see how the liberals respond to good news. Nothing but efforts to minimize it and new things to cry about. Well the good news is that my grandmother owns stock in Kimberly-Clark, so all of your crying and whining is contributing to her comfortable retirement. Thank guys, grandma appreciates it.

 

[aps]

This is all about to backfire on the democrats if they are not careful, I see the republicans are still brilliant at this sort of thing.

Brilliant? Ummm, I think you may not know the meaning of brilliant. But hey, if it keeps you going......

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

It's still a war isn't it? That's what conservatives like to say.

Terrorism is the tactic of Islamic-Fascists.

 

[aps]

As beautifully pointed out by Eugene Robinson of the Washington Post,

Oh, one more thing the president didn't mention, for some reason: Those 14 most-wanted terrorists who were kept in the secret prisons? As far as we know, not a single one was captured in Iraq.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/07/AR2006090701617.html

Other great statements he made in this article:

The president's claim that "the United States does not torture" comes with an asterisk, since his definition of torture is as tortured as Bill Clinton's definition of "is."

If the secret prisons where U.S. agents interrogated "high-value" terrorism suspects with "alternative" techniques are so legitimate and legal, if they're so fully consistent with American values and traditions, then why are they overseas? . . .

Since the president didn't address this question, I'll try. The only reason that makes any sense to me is that the Decider wanted to put his secret prisons beyond the reach of U.S. courts. I think the president and his lawyers knew from the beginning that detaining suspects indefinitely and wringing information out of them with methods that international agreements define as torture -- "an alternative set of procedures" was the president's delicate euphemism -- wouldn't amuse even the most law-and-order federal judge.

For some reason, George Bush doesn't seem to think that rules apply to him. 2008 could not come any sooner. I hope he gets a serious blow in the mid-term elections.

 

[Iriemon]

Secret torture dungeons from the land of the free and the home of the brave.

What a dark blot on what used to be that shining city on the hill.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

As beautifully pointed out by Eugene Robinson of the Washington Post,



Other great statements he made in this article:





For some reason, George Bush doesn't seem to think that rules apply to him. 2008 could not come any sooner. I hope he gets a serious blow in the mid-term elections.

As predicted in my OP not suprisingly Democrats are pissed. :lol:

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Secret torture dungeons from the land of the free and the home of the brave.

What a dark blot on what used to be that shining city on the hill.

"Secret torture dungeons." lmfao If they're secret then how do you know that they're torture dungeouns?

 

[akyron]

As far as we know.

Key statement indeed.

 

[aps]

Key statement indeed.

LOL I know you're going to hold onto those words since it's what you need to believe to keep you going on this issue.

Come on, akyron, you don't think that Bush would have pointed this out already if he had captured them in Iraq? After all, the war in Iraq is the central war on terror. *sarcasm*

 

[akyron]

you don't think that Bush would have pointed this out already if he had captured them in Iraq?

To serve what purpose?

What difference does it make if he captured KSM riding the Titan at Six Flags?

Regardless there will be those who will always react with *sarcasm* and serves no tactical purpose. Maybe next week Osama will get caught riding that boomerang coaster.

Why would we let them know where and how their leaders are getting captured?