Bucs rookie Cameron Kinley told by Navy he can't play this season: 'My childhood dream ... taken away'

[Oozlefinch]

You asked what the photo was supposed to indicate.

I for one don't see Biden as a draft dodger.

I do not either. No more than I see President Trump as one either.

My entire comment was on how one President (or candidate) can get blasted, tar and feathered, and dragged through the mud, then another gets a "free pass", and nobody wants to even mention it. And I saw the same thing with Presidents Clinton and Bush. One actively worked to use the system to avoid service and got a pass. The other actually joined the National Guard, and still got slammed as a draft dodger.

To me, it is entirely political attack BS, and I have absolutely no time, place, or use for it at all. My only intent was to point this out, that if you scream at one and not the other you are literally "calling the Kettle black".

 

[Oozlefinch]

Nothing in that post is proof of Biden being a draft dodger. Asthma, among other things, during the Vietnam war, disqualified a draft registrant from serving in the armed forces. But I'm not trying to prove anything because I don't need to. It's up to the poster to prove his claim that Biden is a draft dodger. Something the poster can't do.

"Childhood Asthma". Meanwhile he was a lifeguard, played college football, and was on the track team.

And yes, I dismiss your entire claim in this because of how you react to another President who had health issues that were disqualifiers. In reality, you do not really give a damn about the conditions, all that matters to you is if they have the (D) or (R) after their name, and that is all you need to make up your mind.

Myself, to be honest I did not vote for either one, do not really like either one. But I judge them both equally, and without that political nonsense to sway how I view them in this situation. But to you, it really is all about politics.

And that is probably why you do not realize how many of us are laughing at you behind your back.

 

[Fledermaus]

I do not either. No more than I see President Trump as one either.

My entire comment was on how one President (or candidate) can get blasted, tar and feathered, and dragged through the mud, then another gets a "free pass", and nobody wants to even mention it. And I saw the same thing with Presidents Clinton and Bush. One actively worked to use the system to avoid service and got a pass. The other actually joined the National Guard, and still got slammed as a draft dodger.

To me, it is entirely political attack BS, and I have absolutely no time, place, or use for it at all. My only intent was to point this out, that if you scream at one and not the other you are literally "calling the Kettle black".

... And equal justice for all.

 

[Oozlefinch]

... And equal justice for all.

Which few actually ever try to do.

As you know, I am not very political at all. In fact, "politics" largely disgusts me, and I am growing to hate it more and more each year. There is a reason why I stick almost exclusively to the military, history, and science sections here. I simply have no use for somebody who has to filter all of their beliefs through a lens of politics before making a decision or having an opinion.

I judge individuals based only on their own actions, not through a lens of their political affiliations. As for the OP, to me this is a simple no brainer. If his dream was to play in the NFL and not be a Naval Officer, then he should not have freaking gone to Annapolis! Period, end of story, no more needs to be said. And it is not like we have not had some outstanding NFL players that went to an academy, then after completing their service went on to have Hall of Fame careers.

TO me, the tears are all coprolite, and I see it as childish. A baby having a tantrum because it can not have it's binky and nipple at the same time. Myself, I simply shrug and say "Man up, you took that route, now you have to pay the Country back before you can do what you want to do."

 

[Waddy]

The guy got a better offer. Let him buy out his contract and call it a day. He won't be an asset if you force him to stay anyway.

 

[Oozlefinch]

The guy got a better offer. Let him buy out his contract and call it a day. He won't be an asset if you force him to stay anyway.

No.

That is not how the military works. You make an agreement and swear an oath. And this is nothing new, players in all sports have been doing that for decades.

Only now do they cry and whine about it.

 

[Waddy]

No.

That is not how the military works. You make an agreement and swear an oath. And this is nothing new, players in all sports have been doing that for decades.

Only now do they cry and whine about it.

Let the guy go. He doesn't want to be there. Why would you even want a person who didn't want to be there. Isn't that the reason we went to an all volunteer army?

 

[armycowboy]

Let the guy go. He doesn't want to be there. Why would you even want a person who didn't want to be there. Isn't that the reason we went to an all volunteer army?

He is still going to serve his commitment after he finishes football.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Let the guy go. He doesn't want to be there. Why would you even want a person who didn't want to be there. Isn't that the reason we went to an all volunteer army?

He got over 4 years of education paid for by the US taxpayer, in addition to taking a slot from somebody else who would have done what was required when they signed up and accepted a position at the Academy.

He is a volunteer. And that commitment started the moment he reported in at Annapolis. It ends when he completes his term of service as dictated in his contract. Nobody forced him to go there, he did that entirely on his own.

 

[Waddy]

He is still going to serve his commitment after he finishes football.

that seems fair. Situations and circumstances change. Why rob this kid of a pro football career? Seems petty in the extreme.

 

[Oozlefinch]

He is still going to serve his commitment after he finishes football.

And if he is injured doing that, then what? Or if he goes on to play for 15 years. Put him back in the Navy, as a Midshipman that is almost 40 years old?

 

[RetiredUSN]

The POS took a position at the academy from someone who may have been a great officer some day.

**** him and the horse he rode in on.

 

[VanceMack]

Personally I think it happens so infrequently that someone from the Service Academies that DOES excel and gets drafted should be allowed to be released...heck...its a great recruiting tool for athletes.

 

[VanceMack]

BTW....

This big beautiful bastard



was one of our pilots in the 92nd at RAF Bentwater. He served 4 years, flew combat missions in Iraq, and then played for the Cowboys. Dood FILLED the cockpit. Good pilot. Good man.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Personally I think it happens so infrequently that someone from the Service Academies that DOES excel and gets drafted should be allowed to be released...heck...its a great recruiting tool for athletes.

I think that Roger Staubach, Chad Hennings, Bob Mischak, Alejandro Villanueva, Glenn Davis, and Phil McConkey would not agree.

All graduates of the service academies, and all managed to complete their time in service, then go on to have stellar careers. And if somebody goes to an academy, their dream should be to become an officer. Not to walk away from that to become a professional athlete.

The rule should be clear, duty before anything else. And the idea of a recruitment tool is a joke. Might as well let somebody out of the military because they manage to sign an acting, singing, or book publishing career.

 

[Oozlefinch]

BTW....

This big beautiful bastard

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was one of our pilots in the 92nd at RAF Bentwater. He served 4 years, flew combat missions in Iraq, and then played for the Cowboys. Dood FILLED the cockpit. Good pilot. Good man.

Chad Hennings, just mentioned him.

Graduated Colorado Springs in 1988, and drafted by the Cowboys. But served his time in the Air Force. Becoming an A-10 pilot and flying missions in Iraq in 2 deployments. He finally was offered an "early out" after 4 years because of the massive troop cuts, and only then did he join the Cowboys. But thousands were offered those early outs at that time, he was actually nothing special. And he did his service first. But finally retired from the NFL in 2000 with career ending injuries.

 

[VanceMack]

I think that Roger Staubach, Chad Hennings, Bob Mischak, Alejandro Villanueva, Glenn Davis, and Phil McConkey would not agree.

All graduates of the service academies, and all managed to complete their time in service, then go on to have stellar careers. And if somebody goes to an academy, their dream should be to become an officer. Not to walk away from that to become a professional athlete.

The rule should be clear, duty before anything else. And the idea of a recruitment tool is a joke. Might as well let somebody out of the military because they manage to sign an acting, singing, or book publishing career.

I was an avionics specialist and crew chief for Chad Hennings. If we are being honest, I think he would be fine with it.

I think he would support the guy taking his shot at a career in the NFL. I dont think he ever regretted HIS choice, but its easy to look back on his life as the guy who not only got to fly combat missions in an A-10 but also as a 3 time SuperBowl winner.

 

[Oozlefinch]

I was an avionics specialist and crew chief for Chad Hennings. If we are being honest, I think he would be fine with it.

I think he would support the guy taking his shot at a career in the NFL. I dont think he ever regretted HIS choice, but its easy to look back on his life as the guy who not only got to fly combat missions in an A-10 but also as a 3 time SuperBowl winner.

He also took a $25,000 per year contract (over $57,000 today) with the Cowboys, to retain his commitment during his time in service. If a team wants him, they should do the same thing. Draft him, sign him to a contract where he gets a minimal payment each year until he completes his service. And I to be honest do not care if it is somebody who gets paid by the government to do anything, he made a commitment, he needs to honor that. It would be like after paying somebody to become a doctor, who suddenly does not want to do their service in return because they can make more in the civilian world. Or an engineer, or anything else.

By the logic that "he can make more", that is literally true of anybody, as they leave with one of the most respected 4 year degrees in the country.

We have people now who sign up and get 2 years of training in cyber warfare, paid for by the US Taxpayer. What if they suddenly start to cry about the money they can make on the outside, and demand to be let out so they can make the big bucks as a civilian? Or once a pilot decides he can make more at FedEx after the military taught him or her to fly cargo planes?

 

[NolanVoyd]

Beau served for 13 years, and was a Major in the National Guard when he died of a brain tumor in 2015.

Hunter was indeed direct commissioned in 2013, and needed waivers for age, income, prior injuries, and prior drug use. He was sworn in at the White House by his father. And a month later was indeed on his way out after popping hot for cocaine. This was a major "smoke pit" conversation for all of us in my unit, both when he joined, then weeks later when the news broke he had pissed hot.

Then after, he walked right into the board of BHR, then Burisma.

Mostly, I feel sorry for his family. This dude has been a train wreck for over a decade. Even old Billy Carter was not this embarrassing to his family.

What are your thoughts on Trumps lack of service and comments about those who serve?

 

[Bodi]

Then, like "bone spurs" Trump, the crybaby would get his way by acting poorly and not taking responsibility.

I would have thought this story being about a Navy Cadet and pro football, nobody could insert Trump in a crybaby fashion.

Amazingly, I was wrong.

 

[Bodi]

What are your thoughts on Trumps lack of service and comments about those who serve?

More Trump? For ****'s Sake... there is little hope left for America. It is falling apart.

 

[VanceMack]

He also took a $25,000 per year contract (over $57,000 today) with the Cowboys, to retain his commitment during his time in service. If a team wants him, they should do the same thing. Draft him, sign him to a contract where he gets a minimal payment each year until he completes his service. And I to be honest do not care if it is somebody who gets paid by the government to do anything, he made a commitment, he needs to honor that. It would be like after paying somebody to become a doctor, who suddenly does not want to do their service in return because they can make more in the civilian world. Or an engineer, or anything else.

By the logic that "he can make more", that is literally true of anybody, as they leave with one of the most respected 4 year degrees in the country.

We have people now who sign up and get 2 years of training in cyber warfare, paid for by the US Taxpayer. What if they suddenly start to cry about the money they can make on the outside, and demand to be let out so they can make the big bucks as a civilian? Or once a pilot decides he can make more at FedEx after the military taught him or her to fly cargo planes?

Again...the fact that you can name the prominent draftees from the service academies shows this is really a tempest in a teapot. Frankly, I think this makes for a good recruiting poster for bringing quality athletes into the service academies.

 

[Oozlefinch]

What are your thoughts on Trumps lack of service and comments about those who serve?

Wow, suffer from Trump Obsession much?

This is not even close, not at all. We are talking about one thing, and your obsession with President Trump has you trying to being up something completely different.

But fine, I care about it as much as I care that Joe Biden was a football player in college, yet still got a deferment because of "Childhood Asthma".

There, answer your question? How about now going into a bunch of other threads and demanding to know why President Biden did not serve as well.

Or even better yet, leave the freaking politics out of it, and concentrate on what this topic is actually about in the first place. And that has nothing to do with your obsession about the last President.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Again...the fact that you can name the prominent draftees from the service academies shows this is really a tempest in a teapot. Frankly, I think this makes for a good recruiting poster for bringing quality athletes into the service academies.

And if they want to do 4 years, then not serve at all then they should never join in the first place. Let them go to some other college, let those who really want to be Officers in the military go. If people are inspired by that to apply, then I say we do not need them in the first place.

This is the United States Naval Academy. Not the "United States Naval only service if you can not join the NFL-NBA-NLB-WPT Academy". If it was up to me, he should be ordered to his unit. And if he fails to show up, then he can be processed out. After a court martial and Bad Conduct Discharge for being UA.

 

[VanceMack]

And if they want to do 4 years, then not serve at all then they should never join in the first place. Let them go to some other college, let those who really want to be Officers in the military go. If people are inspired by that to apply, then I say we do not need them in the first place.

This is the United States Naval Academy. Not the "United States Naval only service if you can not join the NFL-NBA-NLB-WPT Academy". If it was up to me, he should be ordered to his unit. And if he fails to show up, then he can be processed out. After a court martial and Bad Conduct Discharge for being UA.

Its OK...we can disagree.