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Buchanen Nails it... Ryan Must Step Down

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[h=1]WHO PROMOTED PRIVATE RYAN?[/h]


Forty-eight hours after Donald Trump wrapped up the Republican nomination with a smashing victory in the Indiana primary, House Speaker Paul Ryan announced that he could not yet support Trump.


In millennial teen-talk, Ryan told CNN’s Jake Tapper, “I’m just not ready to do that at this point. I’m not there right now.”


“[T]he bulk of the burden of unifying the party” falls on Trump, added Ryan. Trump must unify “all wings of the Republican Party, and the conservative movement.” Trump must run a campaign that we can “be proud to support and proud to be a part of.”

Then, maybe, our Hamlet of the House can be persuaded to support the elected nominee of his own party.


Excuse me, but upon what meat has this our Caesar fed?


Ryan is a congressman from Wisconsin. He has never won a statewide election. As No. 2 on Mitt Romney’s ticket, he got waxed by Joe Biden. He was compromise choice as speaker, only after John Boehner went into in his Brer Rabbit “Zip-a-dee-doo-dah” routine.


Who made Ryan the conscience of conservatism?


Who made Ryan keeper of the keys of true Republicanism?


Trump “inherits something … that’s very special to a lot of us,” said Ryan, “the party of Lincoln and Reagan and Jack Kemp.”


But Trump did not “inherit” anything. He won the nomination of the Republican Party in an epic battle in the most wide-open race ever, in which Trump generated the largest turnout and greatest vote totals in the history of Republican primaries.

Who promoted Private Ryan?

Hear! Hear!
 

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Maybe Pat will finally get a job in the White House. As Donald Trump's personal masseuse.
 

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Hear! Hear!

:yawn:

Washed up former pol very upset about current politician disagreeing with him, mostly because the current politician has a lot of support inside of his own party, which upsets the washed up one.


Trumpkins' responses over the past week or so has been interesting: "Unite with us, you loser morons!". :lol: okedoke, pal, GFY. :) They want to declare war against PC and claim the right to throw bombs left and right... but then also demand a Safe Space and that no one speak ill of their Special Snowflake Status.




The hysterical overreaction-tantrum over saying he wasn't ready at this point to endorse Trump is indicative. The proper response is to reach out to convince him - to unify the party, as Trump claimed he would do.

But that's not how Personality Cults work. Any hint of deviation or lack of obsequious obedience to the Masterful Father must be met with fury.



If Buchanan wants to try to kick conservatives out of the GOP :shrug: He left the party some time ago. Let him bang his sippy cup and scream.
 
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"Who made Ryan keeper of the keys of true Republicanism?" - asks righteously the guy who ran against the GOP as a Reform Party populist candidate, supported by Brian Moore, Lenora Fulani and other hard-core socialists.....
 

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Hear! Hear!

You guys spent several weeks running around like a chicken with its head cut off trying to figure out who would be the new Speakers of the House...and that took place all of six months ago.

Who do you think should take over the position in his place? Or are you guys really just angling for that whole "lose the presidency, senate AND house" this year so that you don't have to make those tough decisions?
 

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I believe Mr. Trump's rise is an example of the GOP voters (finally) overthrowing the GOP donor class.

It seems Speaker Ryan has sided with the donors, and he hopefully will (I say 'rightly should') pay the consequences for it.

And I'll add this: If the GOP voting faithful have this much pent-up anger and scorn over the GOP establishment, imagine those of us that are not members of this mess of a party currently in control of our government! :doh

I'm glad to see this occurring, and if the revolution turns-out well enough and in a manner that agrees with me, I may consider voting for this revolutionary.

Good riddance to the old guys, I say!

(and please, do the Dems next!) :thumbs:
 

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"Who made Ryan keeper of the keys of true Republicanism?" - asks righteously the guy who ran against the GOP as a Reform Party populist candidate, supported by Brian Moore, Lenora Fulani and other hard-core socialists.....

Just because he left the part doesn't mean he doesn't have a vested interest in party politics. There are a lot of independents who left both major parties because they're tired of the same old song n' dance.
 

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I believe Mr. Trump's rise is an example of the GOP voters (finally) overthrowing the GOP donor class.

It seems Speaker Ryan has sided with the donors, and he hopefully will (I say 'rightly should') pay the consequences for it.

And I'll add this: If the GOP voting faithful have this much pent-up anger and scorn over the GOP establishment, imagine those of us that are not members of this mess of a party currently in control of our government! :doh

I'm glad to see this occurring, and if the revolution turns-out well enough and in a manner that agrees with me, I may consider voting for this revolutionary.

Good riddance to the old guys, I say!

(and please, do the Dems next!) :thumbs:

So are you projecting that Mr. Trump will decline the "GOP donor class" donations in his quest to overthrow said people?
 

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You guys spent several weeks running around like a chicken with its head cut off trying to figure out who would be the new Speakers of the House...and that took place all of six months ago.

Who do you think should take over the position in his place? Or are you guys really just angling for that whole "lose the presidency, senate AND house" this year so that you don't have to make those tough decisions?

Trump should replace all of the elected officials of course. All officials should be appointed by the Messiah.
 

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So are you projecting that Mr. Trump will decline the "GOP donor class" donations in his quest to overthrow said people?
I can't speak to what Mr. Trump will or will not do.

But I can say he ran against them, and up to now has succeeded spectacularly.

Will he capitulate? I dunno. I suspect in practical terms he may have to.

Now, will he serve them once he ascends to office? Again, I don't know. But I very highly suspect his chances of defying them and their will will be much higher with him, than with the GOP establishment candidates. I really don't see Trump easily being a puppet on a string. I suspect the GOP donors believe the same, which is why they want their hand-picked guys in there - not Trump!

Edit: I'd like to point-out my post concerns the GOP voting-class triumphing over the donor-class; this point is not predicated upon Trump's subsequent actions once he is the nominee.
 
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I can't speak to what Mr. Trump will or will not do.

But I can say he ran against them, and up to now has succeeded spectacularly.

Will he capitulate? I dunno. I suspect in practical terms he may have to.

Now, will he serve them once he ascends to office? Again, I don't know. But I very highly suspect his chances of defying them and their will will be much higher with him, than with the GOP establishment candidates. I really don't see Trump easily being a puppet on a string. I suspect the GOP donors believe the same, which is why they want their hand-picked guys in there - not Trump!

Or maybe it is because Trump disagrees with them on a great deal of policy.
 

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Or maybe it is because Trump disagrees with them on a great deal of policy.
Well, if Mr. Trump's policy represents the wishes of the controlling voter interest in the party, who's policy does the establishment represent and why?
 

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I can't speak to what Mr. Trump will or will not do.

But I can say he ran against them, and up to now has succeeded spectacularly.

Will he capitulate? I dunno. I suspect in practical terms he may have to.

Now, will he serve them once he ascends to office? Again, I don't know. But I very highly suspect his chances of defying them and their will will be much higher with him, than with the GOP establishment candidates. I really don't see Trump easily being a puppet on a string. I suspect the GOP donors believe the same, which is why they want their hand-picked guys in there - not Trump!

Edit: I'd like to point-out my post concerns the GOP voting-class triumphing over the donor-class; this point is not predicated upon Trump's subsequent actions once he is the nominee.

If Mr. Trump accepts a penny from the "GOP donor class" he's going to go down in history as one of the biggest lying hypocrites to ever run for that office - and that's saying a lot. And his devoted supporters will forever be known as the biggest pack of fools to cast a ballot.
 

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If Mr. Trump accepts a penny from the "GOP donor class" he's going to go down in history as one of the biggest lying hypocrites to ever run for that office - and that's saying a lot. And his devoted supporters will forever be known as the biggest pack of fools to cast a ballot.

Wrong, because we read The Art of the Deal.
 

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If Mr. Trump accepts a penny from the "GOP donor class" he's going to go down in history as one of the biggest lying hypocrites to ever run for that office - and that's saying a lot. And his devoted supporters will forever be known as the biggest pack of fools to cast a ballot.
I'm sure none of his supporters want him to accept money, but the measure of his Presidency (should he succeed) will be what he does in office.
 

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I'm sure none of his supporters want him to accept money, but the measure of his Presidency (should he succeed) will be what he does in office.

No, considering the man is running as an outsider who rejects the establishment and the donors, the measure of his Presidency will begin long before he takes office.
 

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Well, if Mr. Trump's policy represents the wishes of the controlling voter interest in the party, who's policy does the establishment represent and why?

What they believe is good for the country.
 

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No, considering the man is running as an outsider who rejects the establishment and the donors, the measure of his Presidency will begin long before he takes office.
But the man is only the vehicle Tres; it is the dissatisfaction within the electorate and the party that is the overarching point here. This nomination is bigger than Trump or any individual, and indeed seems to be the product of a burgeoning movement.
 

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But the man is only the vehicle Tres; it is the dissatisfaction within the electorate and the party that is the overarching point here. This nomination is bigger than Trump or any individual, and indeed seems to be the product of a burgeoning movement.

The nomination and the dissatisfied voters don't sit in the Oval Office and get the nuclear codes.
 

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What they believe is good for the country.
Well, "good for the country" is opinion - and I can't argue that.

I however think otherwise, but do admit this thing could go sideways and erupt into a mess.

I personally am close to the point I'm willing to take the risk, though I would've preferred Bernie.
 

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The nomination and the dissatisfied voters don't sit in the Oval Office and get the nuclear codes.
Your surmising he's unfit for the office and responsibility, and I believe that's a matter of opinion.

Yes, I see the concerns. But some are dissatisfied to the point of willing to take a risk, they spoke with their votes, and I can definitely understand this; I'm much of the way there myself. I voted Bernie for the same reason as they, and I'm very pleased to say my vote counted in putting Bernie in the poll position in my state! :thumbs:
 

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Maybe Pat will finally get a job in the White House. As Donald Trump's personal masseuse.
Was there something inaccurate in his article?
Or are you a closet Rockerfeller Republican?
 
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