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Brits: How would you rate the coalition?

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Has your opinion changed as the laws are being passed? The spending cuts? And more importantly. How will you vote in the referendum?

Do you agree with the view expressed by Labour MP?

Labour MP:

Mr Cairns, a MP since 2001, said: "I think the Lib Dems are really going to get a tanking in Scotland and in the local government elections in England, and they deserve it. They did not campaign to do any of the policies they are now signed up to with the Tories, such as making the cuts quicker.

"They sold their souls for the prospect of the alternative vote referendum, which they don’t believe in. The Lib Dems have sold their souls for a taste of office.

"How that will work politically, I don’t know. The Liberals are strong in parts of the country, and second in other parts. The voting system in Scotland is so complex. But they will pay a price next May."

I agree with the MP myself. I think they sold us out to the Tories and will vote No in next year's referendum and against them in council elections.
I can't stand the idea of Lib Dems getting more seats if this is how they act the second they smell power.
 
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I can't stand the idea of Lib Dems getting more seats if this is how they act the second they smell power.

I am struggling to think of any of their progressive policies being acted upon except for the fudged referendum on voting reform. Their timidity in the face of the Tory bully-boys has led them to their current disastrous polling results and they are now in a much weaker position to fight their corner because although Cameron has no desire to fight another election so soon, the LibDems must be terrified at the prospect.
 

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They should be terrified of another election.

I don't think I will vote Lib Dem again and we are only 4/5 months into this coalition and I voted Lib Dems in the election.
Already housing benefits and other initiatives are being introduced that will affect the lowest income and those poor leaving them homeless and without money. That is not why I voted Lib Dems.

I expect no less from Conservatives than dishonesty and kicking poor families but not Lib Dems.
That is not even including the VAT rises, drastic cuts in public spending, university tuition.
 

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They should be terrified of another election.

I don't think I will vote Lib Dem again and we are only 4/5 months into this coalition and I voted Lib Dems in the election.
Already housing benefits and other initiatives are being introduced that will affect the lowest income and those poor leaving them homeless and without money. That is not why I voted Lib Dems.

I expect no less from Conservatives than dishonesty and kicking poor families but not Lib Dems.
That is not even including the VAT rises, drastic cuts in public spending, university tuition.

I agree. Permitting the VAT rise in itself negated their entire manifesto stance on taxation. Now what are voters meant to think when the next election comes around? "If I vote LibDem, I'm voting for progressive taxation policies." Or "If I vote LibDem, I know what we'll get, more VAT."

I think it's unlikely I shall vote LibDem again next time around. For all I don't live there, I do pay UK tax, have property and savings and all of my family still there. For their sakes, I hope the Labour Party can put the New Labour years behind them and become again the democratic, socialist party that the country needs.
 

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It's rather comic to see 'liberals' feeling betrayed by what they see as their beloved open-minded, EU dictatorship-wanting, pervert-friendly party taking a turn for the worse. Nasty Party 2 they see it as, now they've been 'tainted' by the Tory BNP-lites!

But the fact of the matter is that the already watered-down Tories have taken another lurch to the Left due to the poison of morality-bending 'Liberalism'. So much so that they're just another incarnation of the PC-mad Labour Party!




Just like Labour, the Tories also favour coolie labour. If not to actually rub Britian's nose in Diversity, then certainly to price indigenous and already-settled immigrants out of the job market, despite 8 million now economically inactive:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...wn-demographic-displacement-damian-green.html


Soft on Crime and Soft on the Causes of Crime:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...s-run-away-theyve-had-haaaaaaaaaard-life.html
http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/74859-needs-labour-you-have-scumbag-lib-cons.html


The European Court of Human Wrongs halts the extradiction of Hamza whilst Cameron compounds the injustice by handing out a cash prize to other terrorist scum:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/76527-abu-hamza-us-extradition-halted.html#post1058845572



And the less said about Cameron's treason in refusing to grant the British People a referendum on the European Dictatorship, then even dropping his promise to 'renegotiate' our position the better!


Liberals and other trendy berks need have no fear of Britain improving itself and getting back on its feet after Labour's comprehensive undermining and corrosion - The Lib-Con-tards are indeed continuing Blair and Brown's legacy!





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Schoolkid porn? "Yum yum yum", says lefty Clegg: www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/let-16yearolds-visit-sex-shops-and-see-explicit -porn-say-lib- dems-567128.html

They also want violent sex perverts to have the suffrage which the Pankhursts rioted hard for! You can tell a lot about people by the company they seek out: 'Lib Dems want murderers, rapist and paedophiles to be given the vote' – now that's what I call electioneering – Telegraph Blogs


No wonder there are paedos in the Lib-Dems, like these blokes: Former Deputy Mayor Jailed For Grooming Teen - UK National News
Church-going businesswoman who took part in paedophile ring is jailed for six years | Mail Online (Wood is a Lib Dem activist.)




Still, at least they're more or less in line with their 'sexual liberation' mates: Peter Tatchell's call to lower the age of consent to 14 is disgusting. Sex is for adults. – Telegraph Blogs



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And apologies to Djoop for using the bold again! That's what it's there for and the basic tabloid-style layout has always appealed to me. And the irony is that whilst you may not be able to stand the bold, I can't stand the permanent italics inside quote boxes, especially for long passages!
 
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I agree. It's sad because I saw Lib Dems before the coalition as the only vote-able party. But it's good to see how much Lib Dems turn on their values the second they smell power. Champagne socialists at work here.
I hope Labour sorts itself out but I don't think it will.
Me neither. None of the leadership candidates fills me with confidence. Have any of them had a proper job? Understand what real life is about? Cameron certainly hasn't (PR for Carlton TV his only real work experience), Clegg's a bureaucrat to his core. I don't get the champagne socialist reference. Lib Dems? I've never heard them called socialists before.

Do you get to vote in our referendum?
Good question. I'm not sure, but I guess I do. If so, I'll be voting in favour, even if the proposed system is only marginally better than FPTP.


Yeah, I read those reports. Clegg needs to start listening to his supporters and get a little less cosy with his Tory overlords. Is this the political version of the Stockholm Syndrome?
 

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Is this the political version of the Stockholm Syndrome?

Don't you worry, the country will continue to be destroyed in the time honoured fashion, one way or another. Margaret Thatcher got rid of Managed Decline but thanks to our valiant new Establishment we now have Assisted Decline!

It'll be fine!
 
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Has your opinion changed as the laws are being passed? The spending cuts? And more importantly. How will you vote in the referendum?

Do you agree with the view expressed by Labour MP?

Labour MP:



I agree with the MP myself. I think they sold us out to the Tories and will vote No in next year's referendum and against them in council elections.
I can't stand the idea of Lib Dems getting more seats if this is how they act the second they smell power.

So you're reasons for voting no in the referendum have nothing to do with what the referendum is actually about?
 

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So you're reasons for voting no in the referendum have nothing to do with what the referendum is actually about?

:shrug:
I don't support a vote change anyway and I know Lib Dems ultimately want PR.
 
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It's difficult to assess the LibDems, they present their policies differently depending on their opponent. I want a change of voting system. This coalition is too unbalanced and the LibDems are merely facilitating Tory extremism. If the vote were more evenly split, then the power might be more evenly shared. A move to PR would lead to more coalitions and less extreme swings between opposing poles.
I live in an area where the Tories could put up the proverbial dog and still get elected. Labour come in a distant third at local and national elections. For several years I have had to bite the bullet and vote LibDem in order to stand any chance of some of my views being represented.
 

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I don't support a vote change anyway and I know Lib Dems ultimately want PR.

So you,re unhappy with the major parties on offer but you're opossed to legislation that would give smaller parties a fair chance (not to mention keep mainstream parties on their toes) ? Also bear in mind that if the last election where held under P.R it would be the conservaties cotowing to the Lib Dems and not visa versa.
 

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So you,re unhappy with the major parties on offer but you're opossed to legislation that would give smaller parties a fair chance (not to mention keep mainstream parties on their toes) ? Also bear in mind that if the last election where held under P.R it would be the conservaties cotowing to the Lib Dems and not visa versa.

I don't like PR.
And I dislike the major parties but I look long term at this. I don't want there to be a BNP rise in seats if the EU election results ever repeated in UK election.

What small party? UKIP? Greens? BNP?
I dislike them all but I'd rather stick with what I know atm.

And seeing the Lib Dems sell out faster than a fat kid with chocolate. I doubt it.

And most importantly, this demonstration with the coalition and the drama leading up to it creation would mean it would occur more often if PR was ever introduced and the smaller parties having a disproportionate amount of influence and power in the case of a hung parliament holding the other major parties at ransom. Another thing which I do not want, which is in fact the absolute main reason why I oppose a vote change.

Constitutional changes, yes which may include abolishment of peers in its entirety. Elected second chamber perhaps. Elected SCJ maybe. Codified constitution. Vote on EU expansion. Introduce elected sheriffs for boroughs. More power devolution to local level. Allow for the public to be able to initiate discussions/pass bills through referendums after a petition. Even an English Parliament. That is how you hold Governments to account, by giving the people more power.
 
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I'm inclined to agree. As I said before, under PR no party would ever have a proper working majority, never mind an overall.

This would mean that there would be no clear direction for any government to move in as all policies would be watered down to suit a few loser parties, there only but for the grace of PR. Politics would stagnate, nothing would get done, there would be even more squabbling and backstairs intrigue and the country would rot even faster.

On top of that each major party would try to become clones from more or less the same template to even roll along. And that would be far removed from what Public Opinion demands.


What you would gain by having a few smaller parties in for a breath of fresh air (or the likes of the BNP to frighten the hell out of them as it seems to be the only language they understand up there), you more than lose when everything grinds to a halt and you can't slip a fag paper between the parties to any extent.
 
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you can't slip a fag paper between the parties to any extent.

You can't now! Tell me what the fundamental difference was between Labour, Tory and Lib Dem in the last election. They all believe in capitalism, the social market model and a paternalistic security state. If I were a right winger I'd be pissed off that no one was advocating true free-market l¡bertarian ideas. I'm pissed off because no one was offering an alternative to failed capitalist corporatism. Both the libertarians and us libertarian socialists were pissed off because no one is offering to get the state out of our private lives. The putative difference between the parties in the FPTP system is merely marketing. It's no greater than the difference between the parties in a PR system such as the Dutch have.
 
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Well, the Lib Dems certainly represent just another exchange of occupiers.


Just like Labour they want to immerse Britain into a European Superstate without permission:
Hague: A vote for Lib Dems is a vote for EU “super-state”


Just like Labour they like to see criminals released from jail earlier and earlier on DOGMATIC grounds:
http://www.politics.co.uk/news/general-election-2010/eastleigh-lib-dems-soft-on-crime-says-tory-$1373756.htm


Just like Labour they wanted to ramp up tax:
Lib Dems threaten 30% council tax hike


Just like Labour they have a dual obsession with children and sex, wanting kids compulsorily told how to rut each other and being leant on to embrace poovery :
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...own-law-to-cameron-on-gay-rights-1866116.html

What the Lib Dems really think about children and pornography – Telegraph Blogs





...And the hypocritical Tories don't lag far behind as Cameron has also dumped his pledge to repeal the misnamed and politically correct Human Rights Act:
Tories backtrack on Human Rights Act - UK Independence Party

Amongst others, it's responsible for the ordure reported here: DAILY MAIL COMMENT: And we all thought that terror-bombing scum lost their rights when committing their evil acts! Now they get MORE as we're made to look after them! | Mail Online



Just the same as the rats they replaced! Liberal-Leftists need not worry after all. We've all the conditions liberals and lefties love (well, they deliver 'em every time they're in power): recession, discontent, moral degeneracy, the rise of political fringe parties both good and bad and raging unemployment!

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(However, there are even today many Tories still with a moral compass. That's the 'extremisim' which lefties squeak about: Underage sex should have consequences, says Tory MP | News | The Christian Institute )
 
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Just the same as the rats they replaced! Liberal-Leftists need not worry after all. We've all the conditions liberals and lefties love (well, they deliver 'em every time they're in power): recession, discontent, moral degeneracy, the rise of political fringe parties both good and bad and raging unemployment!

Yet , for all this, the country is still run by capitalists, workers have fewer rights than ever, the poor get poorer as the rich get richer, the Nazis of the BNP and EDF still get to march through the streets screaming at non-whites and shouting their Sieg Heils. Yup, it's one Hell of a socialist/leftist paradise.
 

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The gory glory days of that were undoubtedly in the 1970s when even Edward Heath's government adopted Labour policy on things like industrial relations. And their consequences long since passed into night-time 'retro' telly legend.

They must have liked it - they gave it us time and again!



'Course, there's nothing wrong with a country run by capitalists. Capitalism's certainly the best we've got, it's just that (as with everything) we shouldn't let it run mad and become the be-all and end-all. If it wasn't for Capitalism we wouldn't have all our trinkets, entertainment, superior technology, the incentive to strike out and make something of ourselves if we can, plus all the creature comforts to keep us warm and cool with the weather, etc.


Rich get richer and poor get poorer? Maybe. But you only perceive the width of the gap rather than seeing how better off the poor are now. Bloody hell, the poor even die of things like CHOLESTROL and other things once only affecting the idle rich now as they gorge themselves on cigarettes, Sky TV and massive bags of chips! I've seen 'em.



(And you want to watch it - the last time supposedly the 'workers controlled the means of production' through state policy, trade union leaders went to prison! Funny how these things work out.)
 
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Has your opinion changed as the laws are being passed? The spending cuts? --

No, the cuts needed to be made. I am however dissapointed that some of the quangoes have survived. I can name quite a few that I am affected by who I have to belong to but where my membership serves no purpose other than extra paperwork every year. The ILT should be axed - the regional development agencies have hung on but with reduced budgets which means what is left will serve mainly to pay for quango salaries.

Connexions is good (mainly) though my local one is a bit shabby and underperforming.

I like a lot of the things Cameron said and did on his recent trip - Gaza is a prison camp and Pakistan has been playing both sides of the coin regarding Afghanistan for years. We now also have a banking group working on making sure loans and money is available to private business - something the last govt failed to ensure despite handing vast sums of money bailing the banks out.
 
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We in Britain are not ruled by any coalition. We are ruled by a Tory government. It's a coalition in name only. Clegg has shown himself to be a fence sitting cuckold. A typical Liberal Democrat.
 
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