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British warships could be sent in to protect freighters carrying crucial Ukrainian grain and break Putin's blockade of Black Sea ports that is threate

Litwin said:
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Nope, reality, no matter how hard you sob. “Whataboutism” was invented by those triggered that the rest of the world pointed out that the self proclaimed “home of the free” didn’t allow minorities to vote or exercise even basic rights.
 
I don't believe the British warships can legally enter the Black Sea, so that should make it difficult.
 
Tigerace117 said:
No, serfdom and slavery are not the same thing, and claiming they were is historically ignorant.

Oh look, Litwin reminding us he really doesn’t comprehend what the “free world” supposedly stands for.
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I know, only Blacks can be slaves, just as only Jews can be genocide victims. If Both groups would recognize that they are not the Only people in the World who have ever been shit on, they would get a lot more sympathy from others.
 
bave said:
I don't believe the British warships can legally enter the Black Sea, so that should make it difficult.
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Other than permission from Turkey, what do they need?
 
coyote505 said:
Other than permission from Turkey, what do they need?
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I think it was the Montreal Convention that determined that warships cannot enter the Black Sea via Turkey during a time of war unless they are flagged to a port in that region previously.
 
coyote505 said:
I know, only Blacks can be slaves, just as only Jews can be genocide victims. If Both groups would recognize that they are not the Only people in the World who have ever been shit on, they would get a lot more sympathy from others.
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Again, serfdom and slavery are two entirely different concepts. Historical facts don’t go away just because they trigger you bud.
 
coyote505 said:
I know, only Blacks can be slaves, just as only Jews can be genocide victims. If Both groups would recognize that they are not the Only people in the World who have ever been shit on, they would get a lot more sympathy from others.
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In the context of America and Germany respectively those groups were targeted for slavery and/or genocide. We talk about it a lot because slavery is a huge part of American history. We arent the only ones that bring these things up.
 
PeteEU said:
It is the Daily Mail so it actually happening is remote.

Also the UK would be absolutely nuts to put an aircraft carrier into the Black Sea with planes that are questionable at best.

But to get there, the UK would have to go through the Bosporus which means Turkey permission... Turkey might let a few destroyers through, but a carrier group? hell no.
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Turkey Closes Bosphorus, Dardanelles Straits to Warships - USNI News

Turkey has closed off the Bosphorus and Dardanelles straits to warships from any country, whether or not they border the Black Sea, following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. The strait closures will still allow warships through if they are returning to a home base in the Black Sea, according to...
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UPDATED: Russian Navy Cruisers Positioned to Counter U.S., French and Italian Carrier Groups in the Mediterranean - USNI News

This post has been updated with a statement from Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Mike Gilday. This post has been updated to correct Monday’s position of RTS Marshal Ustinov. Three Russian guided-missile cruisers have been arrayed across the Black Sea and the Mediterranean Sea to counter three...
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Actually not so much. Only native ships get to pass.

Here's another interesting article.

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Here's Why Navy Aircraft Carriers Can't Help Ukraine

While most of the world is concerned with keeping Russian fighter jets out of NATO airspace, Russian warships have already incurred on NATO territorial waters. So why can’t the US...
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Liz Truss is a moron. She can't even organise cheese!

 
bave said:
I don't believe the British warships can legally enter the Black Sea, so that should make it difficult.
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American said:
news.usni.org

Turkey Closes Bosphorus, Dardanelles Straits to Warships - USNI News

Turkey has closed off the Bosphorus and Dardanelles straits to warships from any country, whether or not they border the Black Sea, following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. The strait closures will still allow warships through if they are returning to a home base in the Black Sea, according to...
news.usni.org news.usni.org

news.usni.org

UPDATED: Russian Navy Cruisers Positioned to Counter U.S., French and Italian Carrier Groups in the Mediterranean - USNI News

This post has been updated with a statement from Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Mike Gilday. This post has been updated to correct Monday’s position of RTS Marshal Ustinov. Three Russian guided-missile cruisers have been arrayed across the Black Sea and the Mediterranean Sea to counter three...
news.usni.org news.usni.org

Actually not so much. Only native ships get to pass.
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British warships have been in the Black Sea quite a few times recently.

It would be like trying to ban Russian ships from The English Channel which Russian ships regularly pass through without incident.
British warships are not going to attack the Russian mainland as they aren't crewed by suicidal maniacs.
 
Peter said:
British warships have been in the Black Sea quite a few times recently.

It would be like trying to ban Russian ships from The English Channel which Russian ships regularly pass through without incident.
British warships are not going to attack the Russian mainland as they aren't crewed by suicidal maniacs.
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Do you have a citation of a foreign warship entering the Black Sea since hostilies broke out? I haven't heard of anything but I did hear Turkey closed the strait in accordance to the agreement. It is nothing at all similar to the English Channel. That is an open water way for international trade. That isn't true for the Black Sea, it is a maritime dead end. Moreover, the English Channel is governed by a treaty with stipulations on right of passage conditions.
 
bave said:
Do you have a citation of a foreign warship entering the Black Sea since hostilies broke out? I haven't heard of anything but I did hear Turkey closed the strait in accordance to the agreement. It is nothing at all similar to the English Channel. That is an open water way for international trade. That isn't true for the Black Sea, it is a maritime dead end. Moreover, the English Channel is governed by a treaty with stipulations on right of passage conditions.
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There haven't been any recent conflicts in the area so nope but sea lanes must stay open and navies are allowed to escourt trade ships to make sure that happens.
US and UK warships will enter the area if they feel vital trade is being hindered.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Again, serfdom and slavery are two entirely different concepts. Historical facts don’t go away just because they trigger you bud.
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If you deny that race is part of your definition of slavery, please provide lists of Non-Black peoples who you concede have been Slaves in the last 400 years..
 
Peter said:
There haven't been any recent conflicts in the area so nope but sea lanes must stay open and navies are allowed to escourt trade ships to make sure that happens.
US and UK warships will enter the area if they feel vital trade is being hindered.
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There have been any recent hostilities in the Black Sea region? Really? You sure about that?

Show me some pictures of foreign warships transiting the Bosporus in the last few months then.
 
PeteEU said:
It is the Daily Mail so it actually happening is remote.

Also the UK would be absolutely nuts to put an aircraft carrier into the Black Sea with planes that are questionable at best.

But to get there, the UK would have to go through the Bosporus which means Turkey permission... Turkey might let a few destroyers through, but a carrier group? hell no.
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Why are you spoiling the Daily Mail's nice script?
 
bave said:
Do you have a citation of a foreign warship entering the Black Sea since hostilies broke out?
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The current closure of the Turkish Straits under Montreux applies only to naval vessels. Free transit through the Straits for commercial purposes continues. Russia is abusing this distinction by using civilian merchant vessels as naval auxiliaries to supply logistics to its military operations in Syria and Ukraine.

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Russia is Using "Civilian" Ships to Circumvent Closure of the Bosporus

On Feb. 28, Turkey triggered the Montreux Convention, not used since World War II, andclosedthe Turk...
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coyote505 said:
If you deny that race is part of your definition of slavery, please provide lists of Non-Black peoples who you concede have been Slaves in the last 400 years..
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Gee bud, the Scandinavian societies had slaves. Slavery existed in Ancient Rome. It also existed in North Africa and the Middle East. But in many places it was replaced by serfdom, which is an entirely different thing.

Perhaps you should try learning actual history instead of spending all your time crying about how persecuted African Americans make you feel 😂🙄
 
Peter said:
British ships have been protecting trade routes for hundreds of years.

Let's see how Russia responds to a carrier battle group with a bunch of F35-B on board.
Maybe just a Type 45 to stop any air attacks?

The Royal Navy may not be the world's largest any more but what is has is quality over quantity.
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Tough talk.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Gee bud, the Scandinavian societies had slaves. Slavery existed in Ancient Rome. It also existed in North Africa and the Middle East. But in many places it was replaced by serfdom, which is an entirely different thing.

Perhaps you should try learning actual history instead of spending all your time crying about how persecuted African Americans make you feel 😂🙄
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Not persecuted, just bored.
 
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