British scientist's chimp cry wakes up Paris climate talks

[Cold Dirt]

British scientist's chimp cry wakes up Paris climate talks

Feb 02 9:19 AM US/Eastern

Jane Goodall, the British scientist renowned for her work on African primates, woke up an environmental conference at the French presidential palace by imitating the wild call of a tropical chimpanzee.
"As usual, I find myself in the position of representing the animal kingdom in a gathering like this," the 72-year-old Goodall told the conference Friday, which coincided with the release of the UN's latest review of climate change.



"To do that most effectively, I propose to bring into this room the voice of the animals I've been learning about for the past 45 years.

"So here is the greeting of the chimpanzee of Tanzania," Goodall said, before launching into a long, modulated cry. "That says hello," she quipped, to loud applause from the assembly.

"We all enjoyed the chimp cry very much," French President Jacques Chirac, who was hosting the event at the Elysee Palace in Paris, told her afterwards.

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Here you go people....your typical environmental wacko......now they can tell us what animals are saying.......:monkey :monkey :monkey old saying......"monkey see, monkey do"

Are these the people you want to tell the rest of us that global warning is such a threat to mankind? Next they will be telling us that the animals want us to stop driving cars..........

My next door neighbor is one of your environmental nuts........has the Green Peace stickers and the "Yes, you can save the the planet" on his car.......yet his wife must not be of the same mentality as for she drives a big Chevy SUV.....while he drives a small, blue smoking, Ford Fiesta....between the two....his car, even though it gets better gas mileage, the blue smoke must be doing three times the damage to the environment than the gas whoring SUV............:roll:

 

[BubbaBob]

Your neighbor is a greenie and his wife isn't?

You live next door to Ed Begley?

BubbaBob

 

[RightinNYC]

"We all enjoyed the chimp cry very much," French President Jacques Chirac, who was hosting the event at the Elysee Palace in Paris, told her afterwards.

AKA

"Holy christ it was awkward and creepy, but nobody could really say anything. I mean, she's ****ing Jane Goodall."

 

[Cold Dirt]

Your neighbor is a greenie and his wife isn't?

You live next door to Ed Begley?

BubbaBob

Weird huh.......she a dope smoking suv driving money making broad who works for a major Bank........he is a weenie sissy boy that works at Borders......I wonder if she married him just so she can boss him around and if he gives her any crap she can beat the hell out of him.......funny though....he is a big environmental nut living in a 3000 sq ft house.....wonder how many tree's went under the ax, how many gallons of fuel to take all those trees to the mill, how many trips the workers had to make to build their home, burning gas each way, how much green house gases released into the atmosphere for this huge house to be built from top to bottom?

 

[danarhea]

What's the big deal? Somebody acted like a chimp. So what?

 

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Here you go people....your typical environmental wacko......now they can tell us what animals are saying.......:monkey :monkey :monkey old saying......"monkey see, monkey do"

Actually, there's a substantial amount of evidence that apes can and do communicate ideas to each other in the wild, and they have the capacity to learn language. Koko the gorilla had a 500-word vocabulary in sign language, and actually helped to teach the language to other gorillas. She once called her trainer a "dirty bad toilet" after being falsely accused of breaking something. Obviously there was a heck of a lot more going on in her brain than just "monkey see monkey do."

 

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Here you go people....your typical environmental wacko......now they can tell us what animals are saying.......:monkey :monkey :monkey old saying......"monkey see, monkey do"

Are these the people you want to tell the rest of us that global warning is such a threat to mankind? Next they will be telling us that the animals want us to stop driving cars..........

My next door neighbor is one of your environmental nuts........has the Green Peace stickers and the "Yes, you can save the the planet" on his car.......yet his wife must not be of the same mentality as for she drives a big Chevy SUV.....while he drives a small, blue smoking, Ford Fiesta....between the two....his car, even though it gets better gas mileage, the blue smoke must be doing three times the damage to the environment than the gas whoring SUV............:roll:

Oh, hush. I adore Jane Goodall.
Have you even read any of her books?
She's been the recipient of many prestigious awards throughout her long and distinguished career, and is a renowned primatologist, ethologist and anthropologist.
You act like she's some fringe-element loony; as if her presence at the conference discredits the cause.
Far from it.

 

[Hatuey]

Oh, hush. I adore Jane Goodall.
Have you even read any of her books?
She's been the recipient of many prestigious awards throughout her long and distinguished career, and is a renowned primatologist, ethologist and anthropologist.
You act like she's some fringe-element loony; as if her presence at the conference discredits the cause.
Far from it.

You'll have to admit. Anybody who think they can have a conversation with an animal or even tries to speak an "animal-language" is pretty damn loonie. Miss Goodall has done some good work but there are some aspects of her work that I'm really skeptical about. Specially that whole "speaking to animals" thing. I'm sure animals are capable of some rudimentary type of communication(dogs for example) however I wouldn't go as far as believing that us humans can fully understand these patterns of communication.

 

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You'll have to admit. Anybody who think they can have a conversation or even tries to speak an "animal-language" is pretty loonie.

Both chimps and dolphins (as well as several other types of mammal- wolves, lions, etc) have "languages" which are understood by the scientists who study them. Chimps probably have the most extensive language. Although they do not possess vocal chords which allow them to speak as humans do, chimps in captivity have been trained to communicate both in sign language and via computers. Some types of animals have the capacity to communicate, both with each other and with humans. This is a well-estabished fact, one that is accepted by the scientific mainstream; it is not some fringy new liberal concept.

Whether or not animals have anything valid or important to say is, I suppose, a matter of personal opinion.

 

[BubbaBob]

She's been the recipient of many prestigious awards throughout her long and distinguished career...

And this proves exactly what? Jimmy Carter and Yasser Arafat won the Nobel Peace Prize, which shows just what a prestigieous award is worth these days...squat.

I'm not saying Goodall a nutcase OR a genius...I'm saying that in this day and time so-called "awards" mean nothing because they have become so cheaply and wrongly awarded.

BubbaBob

 

[Hatuey]

Both chimps and dolphins (as well as several other types of mammal- wolves, lions, etc) have "languages" which are understood by the scientists who study them. Chimps probably have the most extensive language. Although they do not possess vocal chords which allow them to speak as humans do, chimps in captivity have been trained to communicate both in sign language and via computers. Some types of animals have the capacity to communicate, both with each other and with humans. This is a well-estabished fact, one that is accepted by the scientific mainstream; it is not some fringy new liberal concept.

Whether or not animals have anything valid or important to say is, I suppose, a matter of personal opinion.

I dont deny this. I'm simply skeptical about any human being able to communicate with any of the other apes by using some form of animal language. Sign language maybe. But a human howling and huffing the way chimps do and then the chimps understanding? I'm very skeptical. You understand what I mean right? A chimp using sign language and us understanding what he/she means? Sure. A human using some chimp language and the chimp understanding? Not so much.

 

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I dont deny this. I'm simply skeptical about any human being able to communicate with any of the other apes by using some form of animal language. Sign language maybe. But a human howling and huffing the way chimps do and then the chimps understanding? I'm very skeptical. You understand what I mean right? A chimp using sign language and us understanding what he/she means? Sure. A human using some chimp language and the chimp understanding? Not so much.

Well, I do see your point; and even if Goodall is fluent in "chimp" (which I don't doubt, considering she lived among them for 40+ years), there were no chimps present, to my knowledge, at the environmental conference.
So the chimp greeting was probably a bit of grandstanding on her part; however, at the age of 72, and considering the remarkable trajectory of her life and career, I suppose she's entitled to a few eccentricities.

 

[Moot]

You'll have to admit. Anybody who think they can have a conversation with an animal or even tries to speak an "animal-language" is pretty damn loonie. Miss Goodall has done some good work but there are some aspects of her work that I'm really skeptical about. Specially that whole "speaking to animals" thing. I'm sure animals are capable of some rudimentary type of communication(dogs for example) however I wouldn't go as far as believing that us humans can fully understand these patterns of communication.

Koko the Gorilla uses sign language to communicate. Koko.org - Koko's World - Sign Language (Series 1)

 

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Koko the Gorilla uses sign language to communicate. Koko.org - Koko's World - Sign Language (Series 1)

I think what Hauty is asking though is whether humans can successfully communicate with animals using their "native" language. Since their vocal chords can't emulate our sounds correctly, maybe we can't emulate theirs correctly either?

 

[Moot]

I think what Hauty is asking though is whether humans can successfully communicate with animals using their "native" language. Since their vocal chords can't emulate our sounds correctly, maybe we can't emulate theirs correctly either?

That would be a good argument if that is really what he meant.

But I think Jane Goodall might disagree with you on whether her vocal chords can emulate ape language or not. LOL. I've seen her give her ape greeting and she really is quite convincing. What I don't adhere to are the animal psycics.

But if animals are able to use other methods of communication, such as a computer and symbols on a keyboard, then why is it neccessary to communicate in their language?

If animals are able to communicate to humans and understand human language, but humans can't understand their language at all, then who is really more intelligent?

 

[Hatuey]

That would be a good argument if that is really what he meant.

But I think Jane Goodall might disagree with you on whether her vocal chords can emulate ape language or not. LOL. I've seen her give her ape greeting and she really is quite convincing. What I don't adhere to are the animal psycics.

But if animals are able to use other methods of communication, such as a computer and symbols on a keyboard, then why is it neccessary to communicate in their language?

If animals are able to communicate to humans and understand human language, but humans can't understand their language at all, then who is really more intelligent?

That was what I ment.