British Jobs For Foreign Workers in 'Anti-Racist' Britain

[Infinite Chaos]

-- Biggest Asda meat supplier excludes English speakers as 'all instructions are given only in Polish' | Mail Online --

I'm curious about this bit on the page - "Controversial: Evan Davis presents The Day The Immigrants Left, a film about Wisbech town where the English locals are turned down for work"

I watched the program and there was no evidence that British workers were being routinely turned down. Davies found unemployed Brits to put forward for the jobs on offer and very few lasted or even turned up to work. Link not available on iPlayer but the Mail story incorrectly refers to something that didn't happen.

Strange that later on in this outrage article, Asda themselves seem to have put pressure on Forza to change policies. I personally don't mind what hiring criteria companies use - the market will decide if the policy is acceptable to them.

 

[Manc Skipper]

I agree. It's what I was saying earlier, the only way they would be breaking the law would be if they were looking to hire Poles only. But my understanding is they're looking for Polish speakers. Significant difference.

Which gives the lie to Brown's stupid and possibly illegal soundbite of "British jobs for British people"

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

Which gives the lie to Brown's stupid and possibly illegal soundbite of "British jobs for British people"

Is this how far the treasonous Left has sunk? Just a few short decades ago such a slogan was a proud Socialist rallying cry across the land, whilst now they are very easygoing on firms advertising for Polish speakers over the British. That's what it is because Poles speak Polish. (Or perhaps the moronic Reds can't link the two, though they miraculously can when they think foreign-language speakers have disadvantages over someone speaking English.)

(Or maybe the hypocrisy is because even turncoat socialists now realise what a crock their ideology is, though they jump the nation from the frying pan to the fire by adopting political correctness instead.)

 

[Andalublue]

Well, that's one aspect anyway. Except for the usual misunderstanding about the multi-language point.

The opening post takes in both points about exploitation and discrimination against English speakers/people, a usual double-betrayal under New Labour.

Trouble is your usual "double betrayal under New Labour" guff doesn't really work here. Your sources (Daily Mail, Telegraph, Metro - the Daily Mail's freesheet) are all rabid right-wing rags, which alerts anyone to anti-left and anti-immigrant spin. Add to that that the company you are complaining about, Asda, is one of the Conservative Party's chief financiers, indeed their ex-CEO was a member of the Tory shadow cabinet.

So, that's a win-win. If it's true, it's about Tory PC madness. If it's not true, then you are going to have to start using some different source material, because yours is compromised by mendacity.

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

That meat place is a company which supplies Asda, so I doubt if Asda's board had a say in its running. And though businesses have to incorporate it somewhere, the likes of ASDA or its meat supplier couldn't be called PC. Just that the 'Polish-speaking' dodge comes in handy for other people who believe in things like 'positive' discrimination, which is where PC comes in. Indeed, liberal/leftists on this very board have tried to downplay the equality issue here, something a bit unusual for the likes of they.

The Tory Party doesn't come into it at all. The Tories haven't been in office since 1997 and the this is an Asda-related matter. And conservative papers headlining the story just show up any possible discomfort of the madly pro-immigration papers which don't. Surely they want to highlight their own perception of injustice, or perhaps despite the propaganda they really do want huge scale immigration just for the kick of it.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

-- The Tory Party doesn't come into it at all. The Tories haven't been in office since 1997 and the this is an Asda-related matter. --

What I'm struggling to link is how all this is the fault of the "liberal elite" / "the leftist scum" / "the treasonous left" etc.

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

Don't know about the wider Internationalist Left (though I do know they love free-for-alls these days), but New Labour is certainly Globalist enough to allow this sort of thing as a vehicle to help foreign workers nab rare British jobs for Equality. I've heard not one squeak of complaint from the usually noisy waycism brigade on this, and even on here hairs have been split as to whether it's racist/illegal.

And there are plenty of other examples of 'positive' discrimination for Left Wing ends which are taken as perfectly fair.

 

[Andalublue]

waycism

This forum is conducted in English. Please don't invent your own words, especially when they are utterly incomprehensible irrespective of context.

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

Waycism; noun.

Usage: The Waycism inspector found a golliwog jamjar in the childrens' art room and scweamed and scweamed and scweamed.

 

[Manc Skipper]

What comprises the job description for a "British" job. ?

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

It's a job based in Britain, preferably offered by a British-based company as that would supposedly promise a position's longevity.



In days of old a job was not supposed to be transient, but a good one to last most of your working years. So that puts into sharper focus the sentiment that British people worked and toiled to give themselves provision and build a nice little country over the centuries. Now it looks like the doors are being thrown open for all comers to enjoy the fruits and denude the supplies.

During recession with millions on the dole, jobs are scarcer and open-door immigration is just not needed to plug the gaps. And with the strain being felt in other areas, for example housing, Britain's status as an island with finite resources is more obvious than before.

So for many of us 'British jobs for British workers' is more than just a betrayed soundbite.

 

[Andalublue]

It's a job based in Britain, preferably offered by a British-based company as that would supposedly promise a position's longevity.



In days of old a job was not supposed to be transient, but a good one to last most of your working years. So that puts into sharper focus the sentiment that British people worked and toiled to give themselves provision and build a nice little country over the centuries. Now it looks like the doors are being thrown open for all comers to enjoy the fruits and denude the supplies.

During recession with millions on the dole, jobs are scarcer and open-door immigration is just not needed to plug the gaps. And with the strain being felt in other areas, for example housing, Britain's status as an island with finite resources is more obvious than before.

So for many of us 'British jobs for British workers' is more than just a betrayed soundbite.

You will always find a rogue exception that will prove every paranoid theory, maybe more than one. Your media friends at Associated Newspapers, Express Holdings and the Telegraph depend on such cases to spread xenophobia, homophobia and Islamophobia - yes, they trade in fear. They are also not averse to simply inventing stories or quotes to 'prove' their theories (look at the Jan Moir episode for a recent example).

 

[Wiseone]

Here's a concept you and maybe other people need to realize, you do NOT own your job. Its not YOUR job its a position your employer has created to produce something, once the need for that production disappears, is lessened, or can be done cheaper another way, your employment may be at stake. The job is owned by the employer. You have all the rights in the world to seek employment but no right to employment or even available opportunities for employment. Those are things you have to provide yourself, both opportunities and employment. And by providing opportunities I mean things like education and skills which create more opportunities for employment.

The government does have a responsibility however to provide a fair employment environment where employment is decided by reasonable and relevant criteria, as well as create social and legal conditions where employers can operate. Now maybe this Polish meat packer job violates the relevant criteria, but I dont think many people are losing their chances at a job with this guy's way of employing people.

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

I realise that jobs aren't owned, hence the extra touchiness over foreign workers during times of recession. Looks that jobs haven't been this 'disposable' since the last Labour romp in power during the '70s, with many or most new jobs created ending up in the hands of new arrivals or exported overseas. The 'British Jobs' marches last year signalled the crest of the worry.

In a way Andalablue is correct that there is fear, but rolling out the off-the-peg hyperbole and blaming it all on the papers isn't the answer.

 

[Andalublue]

In a way Andalablue is correct that there is fear, but rolling out the off-the-peg hyperbole and blaming it all on the papers isn't the answer.

Off the peg hyperbole is taking an extreme example of where something may have gone wrong and pretending that that is typical and illustrative of the entire picture, that the whole of the UK jobs market discriminates against 'British' workers. I think that you know that that is hogwash.

If you didn't always use your arguments as an excuse to make your partisan attacks on the left, you would be more interesting to debate with. Your reference to job insecurity being higher now than, for example, in the mid-80s when 4.5 million were out of work is just a little more off-the-peg hyperbole.

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

I never claimed that most jobs go to recently arrived foreigners (or that the entire job market is anti-white racist), though research does exist claiming up to 70% of new jobs end up going to foreign workers. But even with that, most existing jobs today are worked by people born in Britain or also have ancestry here.

(But, though, that doesn't mean 'no upper limit' immigration and 'positive discrimination' won't have a more considerable exponential impact in the future when it comes to allocating resources built up by native nationals and those fewer original immigrants. People know that immigration is only increasing, with immigrant families exploding, and there's only so much of anything to go round even for those already here all this time.)

I do admit I'm partisan and perhaps, yes, I do a bit much of it. But in my defence I can say that my posts often aren't just there for other DP viewers. Plus the mutated gargoyle of what used to be an even-handed and sane liberalism just CAN'T go unsavaged, especially when there is just so much demented political correctness about to warp morals, wreck the nation and disrupt harmony in society.

 

[Andalublue]

I never claimed that most jobs go to recently arrived foreigners (or that the entire job market is anti-white racist), though research does exist claiming up to 70% of new jobs end up going to foreign workers.

A link to that research would be nice.

(But, though, that doesn't mean 'no upper limit' immigration and 'positive discrimination' won't have a more considerable exponential impact in the future when it comes to allocating resources built up by native nationals and those fewer original immigrants. People know that immigration is only increasing, with immigrant families exploding, and there's only so much of anything to go round even for those already here all this time.)

It's a common position. Why aren't Brits procreating? Too much effort, I guess.

But in my defence I can say that my posts often aren't just there for other DP viewers.

Then who are they there for? Are you cheating on us with another internet forum or, horrors!, a blog?

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

The link to the article, and others, was provided on the very first post. Not to mention additionals:

Foreign workers take almost nine in 10 new British jobs, according to Labour MP | Mail Online

New private sector jobs taken by foreign workers, research suggests - Telegraph

Foreigners 'take most new UK jobs' | News , etc.


"It's a common position. Why aren't Brits procreating? Too much effort, I guess."

We don't need to 'compete'. We shouldn't have to. There are still more births than deaths amongst the indigenous.

Birth rate pushes UK population to greatest increase in almost 50 years | World news | guardian.co.uk

Politicians look down with disdain on the white Public, blaming us for not being more like rutting rabbits and using that as a pretext to justify more immigration. But you don't think the Muslims, for example, who have been supposedly brought in to provide extra workers and children, think they're doing it all for us? If I was to tell a black man that he's only worth being here to fill a stopgap and pay my gran's pension, I'd get his boot up my backside!


I link to these posts from my own webpage, Youtube thing and various media comments pages. I've got my own little crowd, modest but enough for me to handle.

Don't LABOUR under your usual misapprehensions!

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

The link to the article, and others, was provided on the very first post. Not to mention additionals:

Foreign workers take almost nine in 10 new British jobs, according to Labour MP | Mail Online

New private sector jobs taken by foreign workers, research suggests - Telegraph

Foreigners 'take most new UK jobs' | News , etc.


"It's a common position. Why aren't Brits procreating? Too much effort, I guess."

We don't need to 'compete'. We shouldn't have to. There are still more births than deaths amongst the indigenous.

Birth rate pushes UK population to greatest increase in almost 50 years | World news | guardian.co.uk

Politicians look down with disdain on the white Public, blaming us for not being more like rutting rabbits and using that as a pretext to justify more immigration. But you don't think the Muslims, for example, who have been supposedly brought in to provide extra workers and children, think they're doing it all for us? If I was to tell a black man that he's only worth being here to fill a stopgap and pay my gran's pension, I'd get his boot up my backside!
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I link to these posts from my own webpage, Youtube thing and various media comments pages. I've got my own little crowd signed up. Very modest but enough for me to handle.

JOHNATHAN LEFTWINGER, MP: Don't LABOUR under your usual misapprehensions!

A nice satirical pick of the archive:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzTbPZ5LIWY"]YouTube- FREE BIGGS NOW! I mean, what a huge sentence that man served since 1963! (demo) a[/ame]

 

[Andalublue]

The link to the article, and others, was provided on the very first post. Not to mention additionals:

Foreign workers take almost nine in 10 new British jobs, according to Labour MP | Mail Online

New private sector jobs taken by foreign workers, research suggests - Telegraph

Foreigners 'take most new UK jobs' | News , etc.


"It's a common position. Why aren't Brits procreating? Too much effort, I guess."

We don't need to 'compete'. We shouldn't have to. There are still more births than deaths amongst the indigenous.

Birth rate pushes UK population to greatest increase in almost 50 years | World news | guardian.co.uk

Politicians look down with disdain on the white Public, blaming us for not being more like rutting rabbits and using that as a pretext to justify more immigration. But you don't think the Muslims, for example, who have been supposedly brought in to provide extra workers and children, think they're doing it all for us? If I was to tell a black man that he's only worth being here to fill a stopgap and pay my gran's pension, I'd get his boot up my backside!
________________

I link to these posts from my own webpage, Youtube thing and various media comments pages. I've got my own little crowd signed up. Very modest but enough for me to handle.

JOHNATHAN LEFTWINGER, MP: Don't LABOUR under your usual misapprehensions!

A nice satirical pick of the archive:
YouTube- FREE BIGGS NOW! I mean, what a huge sentence that man served since 1963! (demo) a

Wow! I had no idea things were so bad!

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

Yeah! I'm on my way up.

Last week I even held a capacity-house meeting, with communication facility to other outposts.

Good job the phone box was free.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

-- Foreign workers take almost nine in 10 new British jobs, according to Labour MP | Mail Online

New private sector jobs taken by foreign workers, research suggests - Telegraph

Foreigners 'take most new UK jobs' | News

How many of those jobs are at the bottom of the employment ladder I wonder?

How many of those jobs would British workers take on I wonder?

This subject goes to another matter - and it's a lot more than simplistic "lefties under the bed" type paranoia - the US has similar problems where certain jobs just do not attract local workers because the pay and conditions are poor. The other side of that is whether British industrialists would survive global competition if they had to pay a fair wage and attract local workers (UK citizens in the UK and US citizens in the US)

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

As I've said, that also plays a mammoth part. I see a foul marriage of convenience between a Leftist mantra of 'positive discrimination' and outright disregard by centralised companies for workers they consider little more than drones.

New Labour is symbolic of that marriage and champions both. Not for nothing did Blair prattle on about Globalism and turning out more millionaires under his government than any Labour government before. There are plenty of lowly paid jobs which only immigrants with tax breaks and the like could afford to work long term. And if such trashy jobs with bad conditions and long hours and low pay turns off the British unemployed person, knowing the dole can often pay better anyway, he's slandered as lazy by his own treasonous government.

There's nothing wrong with building up monster companies, but the sheer cynicism and sweatshop-mentality just beggars all belief.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

-- There are plenty of lowly paid jobs which only immigrants with tax breaks and the like could afford to work long term. And if such trashy jobs with bad conditions and long hours and low pay turns off the British unemployed person, knowing the dole can often pay better anyway, he's slandered as lazy by his own treasonous government.

There's nothing wrong with building up monster companies, but the sheer cynicism and sweatshop-mentality just beggars all belief.

And what alternative do you suggest?

If the UK pulled out of global markets where do you think our defence manufacturers (for one example) would sell their products?

Some companies have to use low pay employees to survive - that's a matter of economics rather than the great one eyed leftist monster you see everywhere. It's not down to politicians (left or right) that some companies operate in sectors where their only means of survival is low wages, it's not down to politicians (left or right) that many customers are only willing to pay the lowest price they can for certain goods and services.

Do you shop at Tesco or at your local butcher / baker / grocer? Is that decision because of the evil red communist one-eyed-monster who hides under your bed or because you are only willing to pay low prices?

Our culture is different from that of some other countries (like the Italians) who will change their furniture almost every year or where (like the Germans) where more people are used to buying high quality/high price goods. That is not a matter of Tony Blair or evil lefties or whatever your favourite left wing bogeyman is today.

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

I repeat: "I see a foul marriage of convenience between a Leftist mantra of 'positive discrimination' and outright disregard by centralised companies for workers they consider little more than drones." I never said such corporate exploitation was a product of the Left.

I also said nothing about pulling out of the global markets. Perhaps you may like to re-read some of my posts before wading in with your fleckle about my supposed communist fetish.

And I don't see much merit in the generic thought that companies need to exploit third world coolies to survive. I thought this kind of thing was what the minimum wage was supposed to prevent. And when the likes of large supermarkets still use such methods to cut costs and rake in multi-billion Pound profits, that only adds to the already bad smell caused by British farmers going to the wall because monopoly chains pay only subsistence prices to them.