british aerospace systems placed above the law (1 Viewer)

[Red_Dave]

UK's 'banana politics' on BAE from Guardian Unlimited: News blog

 

[jujuman13]

Red Dave,
What you believe is very probably true, but you do need to look on the other side, namely if KSA did pull this contract from British Aerospace it would undoubtedly mean the loss of some 20,000 jobs in BAE as well as various other firms and the knock on effect would or could easily be double that number.
Bribery and corruption is a way of life however illegal and undesirable that may be, I worked for a US company, many of the contracts I worked on were obtained by what I would call bribery, others would call it incentives to be given the customer in order to be allocated the work.
Regretably such behaviour is quite common throughout the entire world, it extends even into Country's whose political beliefs are different from our western style democracies.
Quite often countries will use their supply of energy as a political and bargaining weapon, it seems that these methods work in gaining contracts yet in effect they are as illegal and as corrupt as the method supposedly used by BAE.
This world of ours will never have complete and open transparency in conducting business.

 

[Makhno]

And all those jobs we would lose if we WON the war on drugs.

Terrible.

 

[Red_Dave]

And all those jobs we would lose if we WON the war on drugs.

Terrible.

How would that work?

 

[Red_Dave]

Red Dave,
What you believe is very probably true, but you do need to look on the other side, namely if KSA did pull this contract from British Aerospace it would undoubtedly mean the loss of some 20,000 jobs in BAE as well as various other firms and the knock on effect would or could easily be double that number.
Bribery and corruption is a way of life however illegal and undesirable that may be, I worked for a US company, many of the contracts I worked on were obtained by what I would call bribery, others would call it incentives to be given the customer in order to be allocated the work.
Regretably such behaviour is quite common throughout the entire world, it extends even into Country's whose political beliefs are different from our western style democracies.
Quite often countries will use their supply of energy as a political and bargaining weapon, it seems that these methods work in gaining contracts yet in effect they are as illegal and as corrupt as the method supposedly used by BAE.
This world of ours will never have complete and open transparency in conducting business.

What i dont get is why selling weapons to saudi arabia is considerd legitimate given the fact that [if our glorious leaders are to be belived] we are wageing a war against islamic autocracy and terroism. If this is so, then why are we selling said autocrats weaponary?

 

[jujuman13]

RED DAVE, ever herad the word 'Money'?

 

[Red_Dave]

RED DAVE, ever herad the word 'Money'?

Indeed, but to whom is the money going and at what expence?

 

[jujuman13]

Link to article
Cloak, dagger, bluff, blackmail, and Tony's nervous protector - Comment - Times Online

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(Attorney-general of Britain is not a job but a trash can. It is where the prime minister dumps his rotten food when it gets too high for the Downing Street fridge.)

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(In the evening of the “dies horribilis” of modern British politics, last Thursday, the present holder of the post, Lord Goldsmith, slunk into an empty House of Lords and declared that he had balanced “the rule of law” against his old friend “public interest” and found it wanting. He would draw a veil over reports of corruption against British and Saudi arms dealers. The Serious Fraud Office would continue to apply the 2001 Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act to South Africa, Romania and other states but not to Saudi Arabia. It was excused for being rich. Goldsmith is a man now wandering the wilder shores of ethical relativism. )

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(Selling arms to such a country might be thought beyond Blair’s moral pale. Not so. As with the Afghan opium trade, money talks and sometimes money requests silence. )

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(The Al-Yamamah jet fighter contract is useless to the Saudis in any battle with any known foe. It has become an 18-year exercise in channelling hundreds of millions of pounds from the Saudi people into princely pockets through kickbacks by British suppliers)

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(Blair government brazenly passed the 2001 act, outlawing payments it would have known were being made under Al-Yamamah. Three years later, with red lights flashing all over Whitehall, Blair and Goldsmith even freed the SFO to subject Al-Yamamah to its biggest and most prestigious inquiry, costing £2m. As files bulged with tales of murky agents, prostitutes, luxury flats, offshore accounts and £60m slush funds swilling through some of Britain’s most eminent boardrooms, Goldsmith personally denied rumours that he would ever impede the course of justice. This very month he said that “he will not stop a prosecution for political reasons in any case”. )

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(Last Thursday he changed his mind. Why? What or who had got at him? The truth is that SFO investigators, operating under new arrangements with the Swiss, were about to request the opening of certain Swiss bank accounts.

The Saudis went berserk. They threatened to withdraw the next stage of Al-Yamamah, for 72 Typhoon jets. Lord Bell was hired to threaten every Labour MP with defence work in his constituency. The rule of law was subjected to the full majesty of the rule of public relations. At this flick of blackmail (and probable bluff), the British government crumpled and summoned the hapless Goldsmith to clear up the mess. An inquiry that expediency would never have begun was ignominiously ended. )
So RED DAVE, now we know.
This so called Labour Government is as with any other UK Government wholly subservient to those that have Money.

Your not going to be able to rid the UK of it's capitalism with any of the existing Politicians.

 

[Red_Dave]

Link to article
Cloak, dagger, bluff, blackmail, and Tony's nervous protector - Comment - Times Online

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(Attorney-general of Britain is not a job but a trash can. It is where the prime minister dumps his rotten food when it gets too high for the Downing Street fridge.)

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(In the evening of the “dies horribilis” of modern British politics, last Thursday, the present holder of the post, Lord Goldsmith, slunk into an empty House of Lords and declared that he had balanced “the rule of law” against his old friend “public interest” and found it wanting. He would draw a veil over reports of corruption against British and Saudi arms dealers. The Serious Fraud Office would continue to apply the 2001 Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act to South Africa, Romania and other states but not to Saudi Arabia. It was excused for being rich. Goldsmith is a man now wandering the wilder shores of ethical relativism. )

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(Selling arms to such a country might be thought beyond Blair’s moral pale. Not so. As with the Afghan opium trade, money talks and sometimes money requests silence. )

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(The Al-Yamamah jet fighter contract is useless to the Saudis in any battle with any known foe. It has become an 18-year exercise in channelling hundreds of millions of pounds from the Saudi people into princely pockets through kickbacks by British suppliers)

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(Blair government brazenly passed the 2001 act, outlawing payments it would have known were being made under Al-Yamamah. Three years later, with red lights flashing all over Whitehall, Blair and Goldsmith even freed the SFO to subject Al-Yamamah to its biggest and most prestigious inquiry, costing £2m. As files bulged with tales of murky agents, prostitutes, luxury flats, offshore accounts and £60m slush funds swilling through some of Britain’s most eminent boardrooms, Goldsmith personally denied rumours that he would ever impede the course of justice. This very month he said that “he will not stop a prosecution for political reasons in any case”. )

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(Last Thursday he changed his mind. Why? What or who had got at him? The truth is that SFO investigators, operating under new arrangements with the Swiss, were about to request the opening of certain Swiss bank accounts.

The Saudis went berserk. They threatened to withdraw the next stage of Al-Yamamah, for 72 Typhoon jets. Lord Bell was hired to threaten every Labour MP with defence work in his constituency. The rule of law was subjected to the full majesty of the rule of public relations. At this flick of blackmail (and probable bluff), the British government crumpled and summoned the hapless Goldsmith to clear up the mess. An inquiry that expediency would never have begun was ignominiously ended. )
So RED DAVE, now we know.
This so called Labour Government is as with any other UK Government wholly subservient to those that have Money.

Your not going to be able to rid the UK of it's capitalism with any of the existing Politicians.

I concur to an extent.Market forces certainly have undue influence over New Labour.Was i supossed to belive otherwise?