Britain is a 'post-Christian' country

[Grant]

For Europe Christianity is increasingly about culture rather than belief. People often identify with denominations or general Christianity, but lack the most core beliefs. What you have is people engaging in rituals and observing holidays, without really believing in what they actually signify. Britain is undoubtedly a post-Christian country, like France, like Sweden, and like many other European countries. Even Richard Dawkins, one of the most well-known militant atheists, describes himself as a "Cultural Christian" due to his upbringing in the Church of England.

Well we will see if a Christian culture can continue without a Christian Church. Given Europe's history their beliefs have taken many strange detours from Christianity.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

Exactly, most people I know are not religious but believe in a god/existence of some deity just not the Christian, Muslim or hindu god(s) for example. I think partly because they want to have some sort of personal reassurance, but also because religion is "mainstream" :roll:

No, I do so because I believe in a God who is more tolerant than the Christian God who doesn't have such a thing as hell. No such thing as the devil, and no such thing as demons. Everyone is accepted into his realm. Hitler was in my view of God as well.

I despise a God that sends people to eternal damnation.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

Well we will see if a Christian culture can continue without a Christian Church. Given Europe's history their beliefs have taken many strange detours from Christianity.

Ahem Quakers.

 

[Grant]

No, I do so because I believe in a God who is more tolerant than the Christian God who doesn't have such a thing as hell. No such thing as the devil, and no such thing as demons. Everyone is accepted into his realm. Hitler was in my view of God as well.

I despise a God that sends people to eternal damnation.

Are you speaking here of the New Testament or the Old Testament? Perhaps the NT might be more up your alley.

 

[Grant]

Ahem Quakers.

Who are Ahem Quakers and what is their relevancy here??

 

[notquiteright]

Is that birth control thing still an issue n the Church? I thought that went the way of fish on Friday. I'm not sure comparing Muslims to illiterate aborigines is a good comparison. GAWD? Is that supposed to be irreverent humor? Can you please explain why do leftists think the misspelling of words is humorous? I've seen it so often but have never had a serious explanation. Many Catholics, Protestants,Jews, Hindus, Atheists and Agnostics fought against the German Socialists and Italian Fascists. What would you expect the Church to do? Keep in mind that it was a Pope, John Paul II who helped bring down the communist empire, the most murderous political movement in history. Who are you quoting here? Relax and take a deep breath. History is obviously not your strong suit.

For a fella who claims organized religion is his strong suit you fail in knowledge of Church Doctrine. The Vatican to this day opposes BC and in-vitro fertilization.

I'm not sure your CON deflection is good either, your use of illiterate to describe native Americans is bogus CON crap. I compare the Muslims to OUR forefathers settling into a strange new land and the use of GAWD to claim the new lands from those who were there before them. I use GAWD's house as a place of comfort, familiarity and social bonding on the fringes of 'civilization'.

I use GAWD because that is how many of the Preachers from my youth said His name. A perk is how pissy some CONs get about using it... :mrgreen:

More CON dodge, the Church was cowardly, instead of following the Saints it cringed in the corner. yes a Pope with the might of the Free World behind him... just to be entirely factual. I recall Reagan spending a ton of money he didn't have fighting the commies.

"Kill 'em all GAWD will sort 'em out!" you have never heard that? it is an old macho grunt saying, it comes from a bastardization of a Crusade in France where one group of third sons wanted land and a Pope wanted a rival sect eliminated. When getting ready to plunder a town Beziers, a Cathar stronghold but home of many orthodox catholics, it is said the abbot uttered a variation of "kill them, for God knows His own". Christians killing Christians for land and title using GAWD as a cleanser.

CONvoluted history isn't my strong suit. but I have found Europe's Religious wars fascinating. Seems to me the people are just tired of the religious BS and the Muslim minority use the Mosque system as their networking center, but they are a minority.

it should all work out, insha Allah... eace

 

[Grant]

For a fella who claims organized religion is his strong suit you fail in knowledge of Church Doctrine.

Never said that.

The Vatican to this day opposes BC and in-vitro fertilization.

Wasn't mentioned.

I'm not sure your CON deflection is good either, your use of illiterate to describe native Americans is bogus CON crap.

You feel that Native Americans had books to while away their hours around the campfire?

I compare the Muslims to OUR forefathers settling into a strange new land and the use of GAWD to claim the new lands from those who were there before them. I use GAWD's house as a place of comfort, familiarity and social bonding on the fringes of 'civilization'.

That makes as much sense as your previous analogy.

I use GAWD because that is how many of the Preachers from my youth said His name. A perk is how pissy some CONs get about using it... :mrgreen:

The preachers even spelled it out to you, did they?

More CON dodge, the Church was cowardly, instead of following the Saints it cringed in the corner. yes a Pope with the might of the Free World behind him... just to be entirely factual. I recall Reagan spending a ton of money he didn't have fighting the commies.

Reagan and the Catholic Church won, the Communist empire was done. Some goofy leftists still can get their little minds around that sad fact.

"Kill 'em all GAWD will sort 'em out!" you have never heard that?

No, i haven't.

it is an old macho grunt saying, it comes from a bastardization of a Crusade in France where one group of third sons wanted land and a Pope wanted a rival sect eliminated. When getting ready to plunder a town Beziers, a Cathar stronghold but home of many orthodox catholics, it is said the abbot uttered a variation of "kill them, for God knows His own". Christians killing Christians for land and title using GAWD as a cleanser.
CONvoluted history isn't my strong suit. but I have found Europe's Religious wars fascinating. Seems to me the people are just tired of the religious BS and the Muslim minority use the Mosque system as their networking center, but they are a minority.

Fascinating! Have you thought of writing a book on the subject?

it should all work out, insha Allah... eace

Yes, of course.

 

[Spriggs05]

No, I do so because I believe in a God who is more tolerant than the Christian God who doesn't have such a thing as hell. No such thing as the devil, and no such thing as demons. Everyone is accepted into his realm.
I despise a God that sends people to eternal damnation.

OK, fair enough, you believe what you want to believe but you do fall into the category of believe in a deity, just not a mainstream religious deity. Also I only said "most people I know are not religious"

Hitler was in my view of God as well.

Given your above passage. This makes absolutely zero sense. Hitler was not tolerant, he based this partly on his ultra conservatism and religious ideals. But that is for another thread.

 

[notquiteright]

Never said that. Wasn't mentioned.

You feel that Native Americans had books to while away their hours around the campfire?
That makes as much sense as your previous analogy.
The preachers even spelled it out to you, did they?

Reagan and the Catholic Church won, the Communist empire was done. Some goofy leftists still can get their little minds around that sad fact. No, i haven't. Fascinating! Have you thought of writing a book on the subject? Yes, of course.

Ahhh the CON skip away.... got to love it!

You can't run from your own posts... YOU claimed Birth Control had gone the way of fish on Friday for Catholics... I point out the Church STILL insists Birth control is against Church Doctrine- and now add this is what the Catholic Church is fighting about the ACA, providing birth control to their secular employees....

ALL of this goes to why the Churches are losing membership- people are rejecting the 'over-reach' of out of touch religious doctrine.

Again you are confused about the muslims in a strange land vs early American settlers... Just like early settlers Muslims in Europe need a place of refuge and a touchstone to things they find comfort in. Literacy had nothing to do with this.

The 'E-Vile' empire was collapsing with or without Reagan and the pope. It is silly to claim otherwise... the Berlin wall fell and the Warsaw Pact collapsed to the amazement and surprise of both Reagan and the CIA.

One final CON smirk and you are done.... amazing... fact is you know soooo little about Europe, Religion and the centuries of conflict Christian inflicted on Christians to say anything at all!!! :doh

Oh and on the GAWD thang... if you grew up in the South there are at least two words you would spell out phonetically that would be wrong

GAWD and damnyankee...

As Bubba learned in the 7th grade... GOD as in ODD not GAWD as in AWful.... and of course damn yankee is actually two words...

 

[American]

I agree,.. people have become educated and can see the hypocrisy of the organised Church. Now we still get married in Churches, still get baptised, still hold Christmas and Easter and other religious holidays, but just because we dont go to church every Sunday or every day for some religious freaks... then that does not mean we are not religious/Christian. Some churches in some countries have realized that people are not dumb so they have adapted. Gay marriage is a good example, and divorce is another. The only ones giving religion a bad name and pushing people away are the religious nutjobs who try to push their version of religion on the rest of us.

Frankly I don't understand this constant din about religion being pushed on you. Does the church you go to push their religion on you? Are you not free to go to whatever church you like? So if you choose a church to attend, then they are NOT pushing their religion, but other churches are? Who is forced at gun point to attend any church?

It's not just your post, but others' posts as well that I see this business of pushing religion on people. In any country only the government can force anything, and in the US the 1st Amendment strictly forbids it.

I think this pushing is in peoples minds, that they think some entity is pushing/forcing a religion on them. People who proselytize others to join their religion, are not actually forcing or pushing anything, because they have no such power. Trying to gain members is completely normal and done by every church in existence. In fact every club does it, among other organizations.

 

[PeteEU]

Frankly I don't understand this constant din about religion being pushed on you. Does the church you go to push their religion on you? Are you not free to go to whatever church you like? So if you choose a church to attend, then they are NOT pushing their religion, but other churches are? Who is forced at gun point to attend any church?

I dont go to church and it has nothing to do with "forcing" someone to go to a religious institution.

It's not just your post, but others' posts as well that I see this business of pushing religion on people. In any country only the government can force anything, and in the US the 1st Amendment strictly forbids it.

Oh so when the right wing wants to push anti-abortion dogma, decency dogma, anti-gay dogma and other religious based dogma on everyone then what is that?

The point is, that organised religion that meddles in politics is dangerous and hence they are meddling in peoples business. While in Europe it is no where near as bad as it is in the US, it does happen in Europe. Look at Spain where the Catholic Church has managed with the help of the conservative party to reverse decades of progress on abortion and gay rights, which is totally against the population's wishes. All polls put the Catholic Church and Conservative party in the vast minority on this issue, and yet they are pushing the agenda any ways.

 

[NoC_T]

Reject religion.

There is only God.

 

[Grant]

Oh so when the right wing wants to push anti-abortion dogma, decency dogma, anti-gay dogma and other religious based dogma on everyone then what is that?

There are many people besides Christians who believe abortion is wrong.

The point is, that organised religion that meddles in politics is dangerous and hence they are meddling in peoples business.

All people of all religions have the right to "meddle" in politics.

While in Europe it is no where near as bad as it is in the US, it does happen in Europe.

You have little knowledge of the US but I see you think you do.

Look at Spain where the Catholic Church has managed with the help of the conservative party to reverse decades of progress on abortion and gay rights, which is totally against the population's wishes.

The population can ignore the Church if they choose to do so.

All polls put the Catholic Church and Conservative party in the vast minority on this issue, and yet they are pushing the agenda any ways.

Then they will lose elections.