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brexit and the metric system

would britain dump metric following a brexit

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  • They may go dual standard

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  • They are going to rejoin the eu

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  • Yes I want my food in pounds and my fat butt measures in stones

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I bring this up after watching on tv some shops in britain were selling things in british standard and metric instead of just metric after news of the brexit.

Most british people I have met, as well as canadians and australians, over the age of 25 were quite fluent in the imperial standard, even though those countries adopted metric in the 60's and 70's, they learned from their parents, and people did not drop what they learned because law said a new standard came about.


But with the brexit, and the rejection of european trade rules, do you think britain might end up abandoning metric and returning to the imperial standard that most of their older population is familiar with?
 

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No, because metric is just simply better and not only that they would have to pay to change things back and write new textbooks. They would have to manufacture two different products, one for use in the UK and for export. The metric system is just better because it itself is standard used to define other standards. Also what about those under 25 who never learned imperial? If the US changed we could just have one standard of measurement for pretty much the entire world.
 

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I bring this up after watching on tv some shops in britain were selling things in british standard and metric instead of just metric after news of the brexit.

Most british people I have met, as well as canadians and australians, over the age of 25 were quite fluent in the imperial standard, even though those countries adopted metric in the 60's and 70's, they learned from their parents, and people did not drop what they learned because law said a new standard came about.


But with the brexit, and the rejection of european trade rules, do you think britain might end up abandoning metric and returning to the imperial standard that most of their older population is familiar with?

I wish they would drop the metric system, but they won't. Ya' notice that every science documentary you see these days uses the metric system?

Thank you Jimmy Carter. Won't be long before it's taught in American schools as measurement.
 

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I wish they would drop the metric system, but they won't. Ya' notice that every science documentary you see these days uses the metric system?

Thank you Jimmy Carter. Won't be long before it's taught in American schools as measurement.

It makes sense with science, since the 10 system was simpler for scientific measurement, over the british standard which often used 12. But more or less this is about with them no longer being obligated to the european union or eec, would britain rescind those laws made in the 60's in favor of them.
 

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Hopefully not, and hopefully the US adopts the metric system. There is no reason not to.
 

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It makes sense with science, since the 10 system was simpler for scientific measurement, over the british standard which often used 12. But more or less this is about with them no longer being obligated to the european union or eec, would britain rescind those laws made in the 60's in favor of them.

I don't think so.
 

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No, because metric is just simply better and not only that they would have to pay to change things back and write new textbooks. They would have to manufacture two different products, one for use in the UK and for export. The metric system is just better because it itself is standard used to define other standards. Also what about those under 25 who never learned imperial? If the US changed we could just have one standard of measurement for pretty much the entire world.

The us uses imperial standard, albeit modified but fairly close to british imperial. Canada has much of it's older generation and even over 25 well versed in imperial standard. The us does not have to make two different products, most of what we make and sell overseas just lists standard and metric measurements.

Like for example if we make a car that is also sold in canada, we put mph first, than a second set underneath in kph. When you but a can of coke, it says 12 ounces, then next to it 355 ml. I so no reason the british or any other country could not do it.
 

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Hopefully not, and hopefully the US adopts the metric system. There is no reason not to.

THHHHHBBBBBB! Our system is Americana. We may as well go with the Euro too then. Pi will be - 7.975.... 'er sumpin!
 

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The us uses imperial standard, albeit modified but fairly close to british imperial. Canada has much of it's older generation and even over 25 well versed in imperial standard. The us does not have to make two different products, most of what we make and sell overseas just lists standard and metric measurements.

Like for example if we make a car that is also sold in canada, we put mph first, than a second set underneath in kph. When you but a can of coke, it says 12 ounces, then next to it 355 ml. I so no reason the british or any other country could not do it.

I have literally never seen a car with MPH bigger, some newer cars have even forgone MPH all together. Most of our cars are made here or in Mexico. Same with a lot of our food. Why you would you revert back to an inferior measurement system? It is like investing in an automated computer system to allow your company to compete with your competition then after investing all the money into it deciding just go back to pen and paper.
 

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I have literally never seen a car with MPH bigger, some newer cars have even forgone MPH all together. Most of our cars are made here or in Mexico. Same with a lot of our food. Why you would you revert back to an inferior measurement system? It is like investing in an automated computer system to allow your company to compete with your competition then after investing all the money into it deciding just go back to pen and paper.

Technichally the measurement is not inferior, by devision of 12 rather than 10, there can be numerous devisions of the measurement, while a measurement system on ten would technichally have less ways to divide it. This is true enough that even going back thousands of years, ancient people never adopted a system of ten, and instead adopted systems like 12, which would later be used by the romans, and later by the british.


In my truthfull opinion, Metric is not superior, just simpler, it appeases a population that fails to comprehend math, so it dumbs it down to the most basic level.


Oh and if you have never seen a canadian car with mph, you probably have not driven much, many canadian cars are made in us or mexico, and in all 3 countries they tend to be built for all 3 markets, not just one. My manager hs a 89 toyota from canada, it has mph and kph, they just switched kph to the outer ring and mph to the inner.
 

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Technichally the measurement is not inferior, by devision of 12 rather than 10, there can be numerous devisions of the measurement, while a measurement system on ten would technichally have less ways to divide it. This is true enough that even going back thousands of years, ancient people never adopted a system of ten, and instead adopted systems like 12, which would later be used by the romans, and later by the british.


In my truthfull opinion, Metric is not superior, just simpler, it appeases a population that fails to comprehend math, so it dumbs it down to the most basic level.

It makes math much easier, its measurements have logical standards. Temperature is designed using scientifically relevant values instead of arbitrary values. It is a lot more valuable in math to just be able to move a decimal to change the unit of measurement. It is not dumbing it down, it is more practical. If I told you to convert 1356.784 yards to feet you would probably need a calculator but with metric to change that from metres to centimetres all you do is move a decimal. It is superior from a mathematical and scientific standpoint.
 
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It makes math much easier, its measurements have logical standards. Temperature is designed using scientifically relevant values instead of arbitrary values. It is a lot more valuable in math to just be able to move a decimal to change the unit of measurement. It is not dumbing it down, it is more practical. If I told you to convert 1356.784 yards to feet you would probably need a calculator but with metric to change that from metres to centimetres all you do is move a decimal. It is superior from a mathematical and scientific standpoint.

That is not a good example, you are using decimals for a fraction system, which explains why someone would need a calculator, Because no one who uses fractional measures like that except in thousandths. In fractional it would be 1356 and 3/4 yards, and a guy who measured .784 at the end of a fractional measurement would likely be fired from his job and be told to go back to school.

What you are asking is like measuring bytes per second of a modem, and measuring it halfway in baud instead, no person with any knowledge of math mixes two measurement systems in the same equation to get one result.
 

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That is not a good example, you are using decimals for a fraction system, which explains why someone would need a calculator, Because no one who uses fractional measures like that except in thousandths. In fractional it would be 1356 and 3/4 yards, and a guy who measured .784 at the end of a fractional measurement would likely be fired from his job and be told to go back to school.

What you are asking is like measuring bytes per second of a modem, and measuring it halfway in baud instead, no person with any knowledge of math mixes two measurement systems in the same equation to get one result.

How the hell are fractions practical then? You are just proving my point.
 

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How the hell are fractions practical then? You are just proving my point.

They are quite practical, however you are demanding a frectional be partially represented in decimal then converted to frectional. It is like demanding someone speak to you in french while switching every other word to english or spanish. Fractional and decimal can be converted, but you do not mix the two, as they are incompatibal systems.

The only time fractional uses decimals is in thousandths, Which measures thousands of an inch. Standard has the advantage of where it can be multiplied by 1 2 3 4 6 etc for multiples of twelve, while metric is much more limited. This makes sense in high end science, but your average carpenter does not stand around with a scientific calculator to cut stuff down to the exact decimal, when a fractional ruler will do the same job better.
 

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They are quite practical, however you are demanding a frectional be partially represented in decimal then converted to frectional. It is like demanding someone speak to you in french while switching every other word to english or spanish. Fractional and decimal can be converted, but you do not mix the two, as they are incompatibal systems.

The only time fractional uses decimals is in thousandths, Which measures thousands of an inch. Standard has the advantage of where it can be multiplied by 1 2 3 4 6 etc for multiples of twelve, while metric is much more limited. This makes sense in high end science, but your average carpenter does not stand around with a scientific calculator to cut stuff down to the exact decimal, when a fractional ruler will do the same job better.

Or, wait for it, he could use a metric tape measure. Metric can be multiplied by whatever the **** you want. Why work in fractions when you can just work in decimals and use the same system for literally all measurements from the carpenter's chair to scientific measurement? You need a scientific calculator to convert imperial not metric.
 

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Or, wait for it, he could use a metric tape measure. Metric can be multiplied by whatever the **** you want. Why work in fractions when you can just work in decimals and use the same system for literally all measurements from the carpenter's chair to scientific measurement? You need a scientific calculator to convert imperial not metric.

Use a metric tape measure and multiply 1 meter by 3, oh wait thats what I though find a tape measure to cut 33.333

Fyi if you need to use a scientific calculator to handle imperial, you were likely never raised to use it, have zero understanding of it, and assume it is inferior and too hard because of. But if illeterate people who could barely count 400 years ago could use it, clearly it is not all that difficult, but on another subject, can we stay on subject with the op not over standard vs metric.
 

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Use a metric tape measure and multiply 1 meter by 3, oh wait thats what I though find a tape measure to cut 33.333

Well 33.333 cm is 33 cm and for the sake of practicality 3 mm, which can be found on any metric tape measure. Once you get down to micrometres the difference is so small it should not matter but you could put it on there. Then you have stuff like quality control where one micrometre can matter and pretty much necessitates the use of metric, but of course there you are using precise tools. What do you do when you need 33.456 feet?
 
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While we're at it, let's go back to the lunar calendar :roll:
 

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Well 33.333 cm is 33 cm and for the sake of practicality 3 mm, which can be found on any metric tape measure. Once you get down to micrometres the difference is so small it should not matter but you could put it on there. Then you have stuff like quality control where one micrometre can matter and pretty much necessitates the use of metric, but of course there you are using precise tools. What do you do when you need 33.456 feet?

You kinda self defeated your argument, saying metric can just round down but imperial can not. >785 would be rounded up to 8/10ths or down to 3/4ths just like 3.333 would be rounded down to 3.3. In reality I have never seen metric measurements go that way, they o off a standard size set, not oblong measurements.

So since you demand one be rounded and one not, your point is moot, and yes 33.456 cubic feet would just be measured in fractionl not metric, again you are trying to mix french english spanish etc into one sentence, if you measure fraction, you use fractional, if you measure decimal, you use decimal, if you try to mix the two, you probably need to retake math to understand the differences.
 

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Well 33.333 cm is 33 cm and for the sake of practicality 3 mm, which can be found on any metric tape measure. Once you get down to micrometres the difference is so small it should not matter but you could put it on there. Then you have stuff like quality control where one micrometre can matter and pretty much necessitates the use of metric, but of course there you are using precise tools. What do you do when you need 33.456 feet?

When you need absolute quality control, it would be measured in thousandths not feet and fractional. Also you once again claimed it is ok to round off in metric but not standard, you clearly have zero understanding of standard measurement if you keep measuring in decimals and have zero understanding of fractionals.
 

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You kinda self defeated your argument, saying metric can just round down but imperial can not. >785 would be rounded up to 8/10ths or down to 3/4ths just like 3.333 would be rounded down to 3.3. In reality I have never seen metric measurements go that way, they o off a standard size set, not oblong measurements.

So since you demand one be rounded and one not, your point is moot, and yes 33.456 cubic feet would just be measured in fractionl not metric, again you are trying to mix french english spanish etc into one sentence, if you measure fraction, you use fractional, if you measure decimal, you use decimal, if you try to mix the two, you probably need to retake math to understand the differences.

Well metric does not have to round, it can very easily get more accurate without having to pull out a calculator and mess with fractions. It is not practical to use fractions and have decimals. Why not just use one to begin with? What if you need to convert to bigger or smaller units? You are guaranteed to lose accuracy.
 

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No, because metric is just simply better and not only that they would have to pay to change things back and write new textbooks. They would have to manufacture two different products, one for use in the UK and for export. The metric system is just better because it itself is standard used to define other standards. Also what about those under 25 who never learned imperial? If the US changed we could just have one standard of measurement for pretty much the entire world.

The US has a hybrid now. yes you buy your gasoline in gallons but go buy a soda, the bottles are in liters. Tools come in both. I would say with liquids we have mostly went metric, but dry measures we are mostly not.
We aren't the only country that has both. Its just something that takes a looong time to change completely as well for instance all those older cars out there are not metric you need tools to work on for instance.
but very gradually it has changed.
 

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The US has a hybrid now. yes you buy your gasoline in gallons but go buy a soda, the bottles are in liters. Tools come in both. I would say with liquids we have mostly went metric, but dry measures we are mostly not.
We aren't the only country that has both. Its just something that takes a looong time to change completely as well for instance all those older cars out there are not metric you need tools to work on for instance.
but very gradually it has changed.

Well form my understanding those are all leftovers form the previous attempt, I would only call the US a hybrid if they started switching signs and the government officially started switching some measures.
 

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Well form my understanding those are all leftovers form the previous attempt, I would only call the US a hybrid if they started switching signs and the government officially started switching some measures.

Well given that the government uses some of the oldest equipment out there ( cars, trucks, computers, jets, ships .. whatever ) they would first have to buy new equipment.
 

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Well given that the government uses some of the oldest equipment out there ( cars, trucks, computers, jets, ships .. whatever ) they would first have to buy new equipment.

Just change a sticker or grandfather them in. And as far as I know military equipment and computers are usually in metric to begin with.
 
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