Brent Bozell On Voter ID: "The Only Thing That's Being Repressed Is People Cheating

[ecofarm]

Re: Brent Bozell On Voter ID: "The Only Thing That's Being Repressed Is People Cheati

Unlike you, I do understand the constitution and "to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" does not mean the government can't require you to get an ID or get a background check in order to "buy" a gun.

There isn't an amendment that says the government can't require a tax in order to buy gun, like there is for voting.

Funny, I was going to say the same about you.

Hopeless.

Requiring an ID is a tax but not an infringement? Thus, a tax is not an infringement?

 

[ecofarm]

Re: Brent Bozell On Voter ID: "The Only Thing That's Being Repressed Is People Cheati

Requiring an ID is a tax but not an infringement? Thus, a tax is not an infringement?

Would anyone else like to address this?

 

[yobarnacle]

Re: Brent Bozell On Voter ID: "The Only Thing That's Being Repressed Is People Cheati

I can't prove it, but from those states I've heard about, Voter IDs are FREE at DMV.

Democrats like free stuff, so I imagine they'll hurry down there.

At any rate, the word tax and free are NOT synonymous last I looked.

Now are voter IDs sufficient to buy arms?

Should be.

 

[Linc]

Re: Brent Bozell On Voter ID: "The Only Thing That's Being Repressed Is People Cheati

Another solution in search of a PROBLEM thread.

 

[yobarnacle]

Re: Brent Bozell On Voter ID: "The Only Thing That's Being Repressed Is People Cheati

Another solution in search of a PROBLEM thread.

That sounds bitter.
We aren't seeking redress. We HAVE the voter ID laws in position.

The libs, socialists, and dems, are crying convince me they are needed.

Convince them IDs are needed before what? Before we require them to show ID to vote?

They are required in order to vote in 36 states next election.

We don't need to convince you before you let us do anything.

We are doing it.

 

[Linc]

Re: Brent Bozell On Voter ID: "The Only Thing That's Being Repressed Is People Cheati

BTW, I did this manually and put some time in. It is NOT and NEVER has been about Voter ID.

That sounds bitter.

I have always supported voter facial ID. Helps take away one more negative from your team's spin.

We aren't seeking redress. We HAVE the voter ID laws in position.

No RED /purple states that have passed this multi-part law can show fraud. Who would that make a phony? Not bitter. Not a game. Reality.

The libs, socialists, and dems, are crying convince me they are needed.

Feel better? Calling the other side what you think are curse names as related to something you think is bad out of distortion.

Convince them IDs are needed before what? Before we require them to show ID to vote?

How many other parts to this law are there? Do you dismiss killing early voting on the last Sunday as no big deal along with the other early voting days cancelled? And your team can hardly keep a straight face when talking about the 8-hour + voting lines.

They are required in order to vote in 36 states next election.

34 but who is counting. And many of the previously cheating Southern states until the SCOTUS Corruptus ruling are now having those laws being challenged. Neverending. I try to show my ID here in IL but my local repup precinct workers snear at me.

We don't need to convince you before you let us do anything.

We are doing it.

Who is we? This is still a fight between a Federal Government and States' rights/wrongs. It is neverending. Sounds like you're ready for your team's 2nd amendment remedies.

 

[yobarnacle]

Re: Brent Bozell On Voter ID: "The Only Thing That's Being Repressed Is People Cheati

BTW, I did this manually and put some time in. It is NOT and NEVER has been about Voter ID. I have always supported voter facial ID. Helps take away one more negative from your team's spin. No RED /purple states that have passed this multi-part law can show fraud. Who would that make a phony? Not bitter. Not a game. Reality.
Feel better? Calling the other side what you think are curse names as related to something you think is bad out of distortion. How many other parts to this law are there? Do you dismiss killing early voting on the last Sunday as no big deal along with the other early voting days cancelled? And your team can hardly keep a straight face when talking about the 8-hour + voting lines. 34 but who is counting. And many of the previously cheating Southern states until the SCOTUS Corruptus ruling are now having those laws being challenged. Neverending. I try to show my ID here in IL but my local repup precinct workers snear at me.


Who is we? This is still a fight between a Federal Government and States' rights/wrongs. It is neverending. Sounds like you're ready for your team's 2nd amendment remedies.

Libs dems socialists, is because I'm a one finger typist and too lazy to spell it all out.

I don't use terms like demorats ect.

I'd rather use "collectivists. that takes in new world order repubs and Nazis also.

and everyone else who doesn't understand we are an individualist nation with an individualist constitution, written and created by individualists.

You can live in the USA and enjoy the individualist freedoms and not be one, or agree.

But if you try to re-define the constitution as other than individualist, you are NOT supporting upholding and defending the constitution.

Voter law is states rights. In 34 or by nov 2014 36 states, the people decided they want voter IDs. Why?
because there is wide distrust of government and the election system. justifiable mistrust.

Now if the majority of voters in these states were collectivists and afraid of voter IDs, why did they pass the laws?

Or? Is it the collectivists don't have the huge following they pretend to?

 

[Moot]

Re: Brent Bozell On Voter ID: "The Only Thing That's Being Repressed Is People Cheati

Hopeless.

Requiring an ID is a tax but not an infringement? Thus, a tax is not an infringement?

It is for voting. In fact, it's unconstitutional.

 

[yobarnacle]

Re: Brent Bozell On Voter ID: "The Only Thing That's Being Repressed Is People Cheati

It is for voting. In fact, it's unconstitutional.

not when the ID is free.

 

[Moot]

Re: Brent Bozell On Voter ID: "The Only Thing That's Being Repressed Is People Cheati

not when the ID is free.

If you to pay to get a birth certificate in order to get an ID then it's not free.

 

[Grant]

Re: Brent Bozell On Voter ID: "The Only Thing That's Being Repressed Is People Cheati

If you to pay to get a birth certificate in order to get an ID then it's not free.

Nothing from the government is "free". Someone, somewhere, is paying for it.

 

[Wiseone]

Re: Brent Bozell On Voter ID: "The Only Thing That's Being Repressed Is People Cheati

Requiring someone to have an ID to purchase a gun is unconstitutional as well. Do you object to that, or is that one of those "oh, that isn't so bad" things?

Showing an ID doesn't stop you from purchasing a firearm. Now does showing an ID stop you from voting? No, but they are two different subjects, and two different circumstances.

 

[Grim17]

Re: Brent Bozell On Voter ID: "The Only Thing That's Being Repressed Is People Cheati

OMG... Not another "there is no voter fraud" thread... Come on, we get it already... You libs want to make it as easy as possible for the 11 million illegals in the US to vote, so you can steal elections.

 

[rocket88]

Re: Brent Bozell On Voter ID: "The Only Thing That's Being Repressed Is People Cheati

OMG... Not another "there is no voter fraud" thread... Come on, we get it already... You libs want to make it as easy as possible for the 11 million illegals in the US to vote, so you can steal elections.

That makes as much sense as saying Conservatives don't want poor people to vote.

 

[ecofarm]

Re: Brent Bozell On Voter ID: "The Only Thing That's Being Repressed Is People Cheati

Showing an ID doesn't stop you from purchasing a firearm. Now does showing an ID stop you from voting? No, but they are two different subjects, and two different circumstances.

Constitutionally, the argument on the gun side is stronger.

We are to believe that requiring an ID is a tax but not an infringement? By that reasoning, a tax is not an infringement - which is obviously false.

 

[Wiseone]

Re: Brent Bozell On Voter ID: "The Only Thing That's Being Repressed Is People Cheati

Constitutionally, the argument on the gun side is stronger.

We are to believe that requiring an ID is a tax but not an infringement? By that reasoning, a tax is not an infringement - which is obviously false.

Well taxes are Constitutional, but the Constitution goes beyond that to specifically state that a poll tax is unconstitutional via the 24th amendment. Therefore I would say that other taxes regarding or relating to other rights are not automatically unconstitutional so long as they are not done with the express purpose of limiting people's ability to exercise that right like the old Jim Crow Poll Taxes were. Otherwise why would we need the 24th amendment at all if the Constitutional already said that any tax on something relating to a right is unconstitutional? For example having to pay 25 cents for using the copy machine at a local library is not infringing your 1st amendment right even though it relates directly to speach, likewise paying a sales tax on a firearm would not be an infringement.

But requiring people to pay for an ID card or driver's licence to vote could easily be seen as a violation of someone's 24th amendment rights if it can be demonstrated in court that they lack the ability to pay for that ID card, then the court would be obligated to either throw out the entire law requiring an ID card, or require the government of that state to make them free to anyone who wants one, or have a special provision for those unable to pay the fee/tax.

Personally I think Voter ID laws are bad ideas, but I don't think they are strictly and automatically unconstitutional.

 

[ecofarm]

Re: Brent Bozell On Voter ID: "The Only Thing That's Being Repressed Is People Cheati

But requiring people to pay for an ID card or driver's licence to vote could easily be seen as a violation of someone's 24th amendment rights if it can be demonstrated in court that they lack the ability to pay for that ID card, then the court would be obligated to either throw out the entire law requiring an ID card, or require the government of that state to make them free to anyone who wants one, or have a special provision for those unable to pay the fee/tax.

If homeless people are the concern... What about homeless people who want a gun to protect themelves? Requiring ID could prevent them from being able to purchase a cheap used firearm (say, $50). They have no address to use for getting a birth certificate and such, no phone to take care of that process. Add in the costs associated with a background check and registration, and we are clearly denying a demographic their 2nd amendment rights, we are infringing on their ability to keep (possess) a gun.

 

[Wiseone]

Re: Brent Bozell On Voter ID: "The Only Thing That's Being Repressed Is People Cheati

If homeless people are the concern... What about homeless people who want a gun to protect themelves? Requiring ID could prevent them from being able to purchase a cheap used firearm (say, $50).

Like I said, the Constitution only specifically elimates poll taxes as a requirement to vote, it does not do so for firearms therefore I wouldn't say that a homeless man's right to bear arms is infringed by his inability to afford a proper ID no more than I would say his freedom of speach is infringed if it doesn't have a quarter to make a photo-copy at his local library.

 

[ecofarm]

Re: Brent Bozell On Voter ID: "The Only Thing That's Being Repressed Is People Cheati

Like I said, the Constitution only specifically elimates poll taxes as a requirement to vote, it does not do so for firearms therefore I wouldn't say that a homeless man's right to bear arms is infringed by his inability to afford a proper ID no more than I would say his freedom of speach is infringed if it doesn't have a quarter to make a photo-copy at his local library.

Forcing someone to get an ID is an infringement. It is a tax, according to some, and a tax is certainly an infringement.

 

[rocket88]

Re: Brent Bozell On Voter ID: "The Only Thing That's Being Repressed Is People Cheati

Constitutionally, the argument on the gun side is stronger.

Personally, I think that everybody who says that there is no constitutional "right to vote" should voluntarily give it up. It shouldn't bother them since they have no "right" to do it.

 

[ecofarm]

Re: Brent Bozell On Voter ID: "The Only Thing That's Being Repressed Is People Cheati

Personally, I think that everybody who says that there is no constitutional "right to vote" should voluntarily give it up. It shouldn't bother them since they have no "right" to do it.

I base that statement not on voting being a right or not. I base it on the obvious fact that it is easier to prove that requiring an ID is an infringement than to prove requiring an ID is a tax on a specific action (given that the ID serves many other purposes).

If the amendment read: the government shall not infringe on ones ability to vote... would you argue that requiring an ID is an infringement?

 

[Fisher]

Re: Brent Bozell On Voter ID: "The Only Thing That's Being Repressed Is People Cheati

Personally, I think that everybody who says that there is no constitutional "right to vote" should voluntarily give it up. It shouldn't bother them since they have no "right" to do it.

There is no Constitutional right to drive a car. Do you have a license?

 

[Wiseone]

Re: Brent Bozell On Voter ID: "The Only Thing That's Being Repressed Is People Cheati

Forcing someone to get an ID is an infringement. It is a tax, according to some, and a tax is certainly an infringement.

Well in your opinion perhaps but not in the legal view of the courts and precedent. The fact that you pay a sales tax on a computer, is that an infringement on your first amendment rights? Or the fact that if you have to show an ID to see a Rated-R movie if you look too young an infringement on 1st amendment rights? After all what good is the right to speach if the government can infringe your right to listen?

And again, if the Constitution prohibits any kind of tax on any kind of exercise of any right, why the heck was the 24th amendment written? Just to be redunant?

 

[Wiseone]

Re: Brent Bozell On Voter ID: "The Only Thing That's Being Repressed Is People Cheati

Personally, I think that everybody who says that there is no constitutional "right to vote" should voluntarily give it up. It shouldn't bother them since they have no "right" to do it.

I think people who say the Constitution contains no right to vote should be forced to take high school civics again

 

[ecofarm]

Re: Brent Bozell On Voter ID: "The Only Thing That's Being Repressed Is People Cheati

Well in your opinion perhaps but not in the legal view of the courts and precedent. The fact that you pay a sales tax on a computer, is that an infringement on your first amendment rights? Or the fact that if you have to show an ID to see a Rated-R movie if you look too young an infringement on 1st amendment rights? After all what good is the right to speach if the government can infringe your right to listen?

And again, if the Constitution prohibits any kind of tax on any kind of exercise of any right, why the heck was the 24th amendment written? Just to be redunant?

The right to free speech does not include the right to listen. Otherwise, all media would need to be free.