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Breaking: Israel launches 'preemptive strike' against Iran, declares state of emergency

JoeB131 said:
Or we could just stop messing with them. That would also work.
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Stop messing with them? That government is killing our citizens and has for decades. So if anyone should stop “messing with” someone, it’s them. Otherwise, they’re likely to end up with an even worse bloody nose. Trump is giving their government an opportunity to not be stupid. Will they take it? I’m hopeful. But if past is prologue, the odds indicate probably not, because a U.S. bogeyman is one of the few things that government has to offer its people.

JoeB131 said:
Let's be honest why Iran hates us. In 1953, we overthrew an elected government to install a despot.
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A point that escapes so many naive Westerners is if an autocratic government says something, everyone believes it. Therefore, it must be true. That’s complete nonsense. We should have figured that out after the fall of the Soviet Union and the scramble among former members of the Warsaw Pact to join NATO. Growing up during the Cold War, I was told all my life that Albanians hated us. We really didn’t know, because the country’s Stalinist leader had turned it into one of the most isolated and tightly-controlled countries on the planet, akin to today’s North Korea. After the fall of the Soviet Union, it was one of the first countries to engage with NATO, and applied for membership in 1994 the same day it signed the Partnership for Peace agreement. Today, it has a street in central Tirana, the capital, named after George Bush. Trump got his in 2017 in the city of Kamza, and was declared an honorary citizen.

Today, Putin’s government on one side of its mouth talks about its “Western partners” while in the other it tells its people the West is out to destroy it. Do average Russians believe that? Is it true? No doubt, perhaps many, of them believe that. They point is we really don’t know, because public dissent isn’t permitted. The same thing is true in Iran.


Yeah, USA bad, Supreme Leader good! I get it.
 
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Looks as if you're not aware that some Israelis, too, indulge in racist chants:


...To earn money, she worked at a restaurant in a mall where fans of the soccer team Beitar Jerusalem, who are notorious for their anti-Arab racism, sometimes celebrated after games. Qasem Hassan would hear them chant “Mavet la’aravim!”—“Death to Arabs!”...
 

Um, guy we keep sticking our hands in the hornet's nest over there and complain about getting stung. Is the Iranian regime bad? I guess. But we've been happy to do business with them when our goals were met. We enlisted their help to geto our hostages out of Lebanon in the 1980s. We asked for their help in stabilizing Iraq and Syria when ISIS took over.


What does that have to do with my point?

Okay, here's another one. We were told at the beginning of the War on Terror that the Afghan and Iraqi people just wanted to be free, and once we got rid of the Taliban and Ba'athists, they would be throwing flowers in the streets ahead of us.

Instead, what we got was years of fighting insurgencies, including ISIS and a resurgent Taliban.




Um, we aren't talking about Putin here.

Ahlevah said:
Yeah, USA bad, Supreme Leader good! I get it
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No, more like, USA Dumb for getting involved in a part of the world it should avoid.

Instead, we let the Oil Companies and the Zionist Lobby drag us into war after war over there. We've been doing this since I was a child and now I'm an old man.
 
JoeB131 said:
We enlisted their help to geto our hostages out of Lebanon in the 1980s.
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Enlisted their help? When they weren’t blowing up our embassy, embassy annex, or Marine barracks, they were supporting proxies like Hezbollah that kidnapped and murdered our citizens. We negotiated “deals” with them instead of doing what we should have done, which was return the favor by killing their personnel and blowing up their facilities Bebe-style.

JoeB131 said:
We asked for their help in stabilizing Iraq and Syria when ISIS took over.
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No, we led an international coalition that included an air bombing campaign. Iran’s thing was supplying its proxies in Iraq with IEDs that could penetrate armor. They killed or maimed a lot of our guys. So we still owe them for that even though Trump took out their top IRGC asshole and Israel “un-alived” more of them.

JoeB131 said:
What does that have to do with my point?
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I don’t think we should base our response to eliminating Iran’s nuclear threat on anything we did in 1953. It’s political noise, much of it fueled by Iran’s despotic government, which in and of itself is ironic.


Yeah, I’m not into nation building in Iran, but that regime can not be permitted to get nukes.

JoeB131 said:
Um, we aren't talking about Putin here.
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I know. I was using him to illustrate my point about how despots always need a bogeyman.

JoeB131 said:
No, more like, USA Dumb for getting involved in a part of the world it should avoid.
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Yeah, we already tried “Fortress America” and “not our war.” They don’t work. Wars have a way of finding us, most recently because Iranian-supported terrorists kidnapped and murdered our citizens and have been firing rockets and drones at our naval and commercial ships in the Red Sea.

JoeB131 said:
Instead, we let the Oil Companies and the Zionist Lobby drag us into war after war over there. We've been doing this since I was a child and now I'm an old man.
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Remember, we’re the “Great Satan” while the Israel is the “Little Satan.” I would think that puts us first on Iran’s list of bad guys. Besides, what does the “Zionist lobby” have to do with Hamas killing our citizens or Houthis attacking our shipping and military personnel in the region?
 
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YET the Government of Iran was very restrained in its response to our dropping not one but SIX 30,000-lb anti-bunker bombs on that country.

Interesting reaction for a state that is supposed to hate the USA so much.....
 

Um, yeah, that's pretty jingoistic of you, and I get the funny feeling you've never had to put on a uniform or make out your last will and testament before you got deployed somewhere.

Ahlevah said:
I don’t think we should base our response to eliminating Iran’s nuclear threat on anything we did in 1953. It’s political noise, much of it fueled by Iran’s despotic government, which in and of itself is ironic.
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Quite the contrary. The reason why the Mullahs run Iran now is because of what we did in 1953. And what we did in 1979. And every shitty thing we've done since because Iran (one of the few ME countries that holds elections) picked a form of government we don't like.

If they are living in Israel, they are not "our citizens".
 
Desert Storm said:
Never heard of the concept of dual citizenship??

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Sure, on paper, my dad was a dual citizen of the US and Germany.

In reality, he fought in the American Army against Germany.

No man can serve two masters. The Zionists are not our friends, and we need to stop pretending they are.
 

Right - second hand anecdotes from a radical left publication quoting a Hamas member..

Almost as convincing as "Herr Himmler would see horns protruding from under their yarmulka's"
 
Desert Storm said:
Anti-semite detected
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Do you guys really think that nonsense works?

What I always find amusing about people who scream "anti-Semite" is that the Arabs are more legitimately a Semitic people than the Ashkenazim, who are whiter than I am.
 
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