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Brazil protesters angered by fare hikes promise more demonstrations after violent clashes | Fox News

The people of Brazil are finally waking up and doing something about their government that steals so much from them. In the three years that I have lived here in Rio there have been many issues and laws passed that the people have complained about but never done anything about it. Just sit and complain to each other and on the internet. So I must say that it is finally refreashing to see that they are doing something other than crying like little babies. In a country where they have so much potential and the government doesn't want that to happen becuase that means less money in their pockets. I support the actions of these my Brazilian brothers and hope them the best.
 

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OK then. Next time the price of the first-class stamp will go up a penny, I am going to burn a bunch of tires, block traffic, and throw bottles at the police. What? I have "pent-up frustrations", you wouldn't believe.
 

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OK then. Next time the price of the first-class stamp will go up a penny, I am going to burn a bunch of tires, block traffic, and throw bottles at the police. What? I have "pent-up frustrations", you wouldn't believe.

I understand where you're coming from but we're not in the US here. We're talking about a third world country and all of these protests is a big step up from what we have seen in the past. Brazil was under a military regime and so everyone was afraid to even protest about anything. But the people are starting to see how bad they are being screwed over and are doing something about it. And believe it or not this 20 cents that people will have to pay extra will really hurt the poor. Minimum wage here in Brazil is 780 reais a month, which is about 340 dollars a month!!!! So for these people who have families and children this will hurt there financial situation.
 

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I understand where you're coming from but we're not in the US here. We're talking about a third world country and all of these protests is a big step up from what we have seen in the past. Brazil was under a military regime and so everyone was afraid to even protest about anything. But the people are starting to see how bad they are being screwed over and are doing something about it. And believe it or not this 20 cents that people will have to pay extra will really hurt the poor. Minimum wage here in Brazil is 780 reais a month, which is about 340 dollars a month!!!! So for these people who have families and children this will hurt there financial situation.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the military regime in Brazil had ended in 1985. It is a bit of a stretch, to suggest that the current street hooliganism is a delayed response to the political era that ended long before the hooligans had been born, isn't it?

Also, it "may be" very true that the actual fruits of the statist policies in a "third world country" are... kind of disappointing. ("Decades of high-pitch demagoguery by the socialist politicos, and we are not another Norway yet?!"). But can you honestly say that the rioters (almost exclusively in their teens and twenties) had been cheated on any "social contract"? No. Rather, they had been massively brainwashed into believing that "education, transportation and health care" are not services provided by other people, but a matter of "rights" or automatic entitlement. Well, tough ****e. A bus cannot run on good intentions.
 

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Brazil protesters angered by fare hikes promise more demonstrations after violent clashes | Fox News

The people of Brazil are finally waking up and doing something about their government that steals so much from them. In the three years that I have lived here in Rio there have been many issues and laws passed that the people have complained about but never done anything about it. Just sit and complain to each other and on the internet. So I must say that it is finally refreashing to see that they are doing something other than crying like little babies. In a country where they have so much potential and the government doesn't want that to happen becuase that means less money in their pockets. I support the actions of these my Brazilian brothers and hope them the best.

Would you be surprised if the government of Brazil uses brutal suppression methods against the protestors?

My understanding of the culture is limited, but my impression is that the ruling class is perfectly capable of unleashing violence against the lower classes.
 

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Brazil protesters angered by fare hikes promise more demonstrations after violent clashes | Fox News

The people of Brazil are finally waking up and doing something about their government that steals so much from them. In the three years that I have lived here in Rio there have been many issues and laws passed that the people have complained about but never done anything about it. Just sit and complain to each other and on the internet. So I must say that it is finally refreashing to see that they are doing something other than crying like little babies. In a country where they have so much potential and the government doesn't want that to happen becuase that means less money in their pockets. I support the actions of these my Brazilian brothers and hope them the best.

Whether what they are protesting is right or not, once they resort to violence, property damage, etc, they are no longer a demonstration but a mob. Just like the people in Turkey, once anyone perpetuates and incites violence and acts of vandalism, they are no longer protesters and now bring discredit upon themselves and their cause.
 

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Correct me if I am wrong, but the military regime in Brazil had ended in 1985. It is a bit of a stretch, to suggest that the current street hooliganism is a delayed response to the political era that ended long before the hooligans had been born, isn't it?

Also, it "may be" very true that the actual fruits of the statist policies in a "third world country" are... kind of disappointing. ("Decades of high-pitch demagoguery by the socialist politicos, and we are not another Norway yet?!"). But can you honestly say that the rioters (almost exclusively in their teens and twenties) had been cheated on any "social contract"? No. Rather, they had been massively brainwashed into believing that "education, transportation and health care" are not services provided by other people, but a matter of "rights" or automatic entitlement. Well, tough ****e. A bus cannot run on good intentions.

I wonder if you are overlooking the fact and influence of military-style law enforcement in Brazil's cities regarding the drug prohibition?

Just as we have led the world in military style law enforcement, Brazil has followed suit, and for that we have the foolish and pernicious drug prohibition to thank.

Those to whom evil is done, do evil in return, penned W.H. Auden in the last century. Whether the government itself if "military" or not, if military tactics are practiced upon the people of Brazil, it is a military government.

I understand their anger and resentment.
 

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Would you be surprised if the government of Brazil uses brutal suppression methods against the protestors?

My understanding of the culture is limited, but my impression is that the ruling class is perfectly capable of unleashing violence against the lower classes.

Unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised if the government did such. The ruling class is everything in this country and they want to keep it that way. The rich to keep getting richer and richer and the poor to get poorer. It's a sad state to see such a wonderful people as Brazilians. But I hope that the lower classes don't back down this time.
 

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Whether what they are protesting is right or not, once they resort to violence, property damage, etc, they are no longer a demonstration but a mob. Just like the people in Turkey, once anyone perpetuates and incites violence and acts of vandalism, they are no longer protesters and now bring discredit upon themselves and their cause.

Just like Stephen Fuller Austin and Sam Houston

And the american revolutionaries
 

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Just like Stephen Fuller Austin and Sam Houston

And the american revolutionaries

You are comparing a mostly disorganized mob to people who formed an army and fought for freedom. If the protesters, in either place, formed an actual army, with all the definitions in the Geneva Conventions for lawful combatants (Which Houston and Austin did), it would different. If they want to form an army and abide by the laws of war, then let them, depending on what they are fighting for, I might even support them.
 

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You are comparing a mostly disorganized mob to people who formed an army and fought for freedom. If the protesters, in either place, formed an actual army, with all the definitions in the Geneva Conventions for lawful combatants (Which Houston and Austin did), it would different. If they want to form an army and abide by the laws of war, then let them, depending on what they are fighting for, I might even support them.

Ahh, I see. Putting on a costume, err I mean uniform, makes violence OK.
 

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Ahh, I see. Putting on a costume, err I mean uniform, makes violence OK.

Is that the only requirement under the Laws of Armed Conflict/War that differentiates a mob from an army? Is that all you know about the subject? Perhaps you should go read the appropriate Laws, found in the Geneva Conventions by the way, then come back and actually make an intelligent comment.
 

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Is that the only requirement under the Laws of Armed Conflict/War that differentiates a mob from an army? Is that all you know about the subject? Perhaps you should go read the appropriate Laws, found in the Geneva Conventions by the way, then come back and actually make an intelligent comment.

Look how far you've come from the days of "once anyone perpetuates and incites violence and acts of vandalism, they are no longer protesters and now bring discredit upon themselves and their cause."
 

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Look how far you've come from the days of "once anyone perpetuates and incites violence and acts of vandalism, they are no longer protesters and now bring discredit upon themselves and their cause."

Ah, I see you have taken the opportunity I gave you correct your ignorance on the subject. Haven't came one inch from that statement. Of course, if you were to correct you lack of knowledge, then perhaps you might actually understand.

Tell me, is there a name we give to people who make statements when they choose to be willfully ignorant of what was said?
 

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Tell me, is there a name we give to people who make statements when they choose to be willfully ignorant of what was said?

I know that you said "once anyone perpetuates and incites violence and acts of vandalism, they are no longer protesters and now bring discredit upon themselves and their cause." and then retreated from your statement

Boston Tea Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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Whether what they are protesting is right or not, once they resort to violence, property damage, etc, they are no longer a demonstration but a mob. Just like the people in Turkey, once anyone perpetuates and incites violence and acts of vandalism, they are no longer protesters and now bring discredit upon themselves and their cause.

please stop making moronic claims!!!!!!!!!!!!!


l wont ask your permission to save my country....
 

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I know that you said "once anyone perpetuates and incites violence and acts of vandalism, they are no longer protesters and now bring discredit upon themselves and their cause." and then retreated from your statement

Boston Tea Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It was not a retreat. One statement is about protesters and mobs, one was about Armies. Two different things.
 

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please stop making moronic claims!!!!!!!!!!!!!


l wont ask your permission to save my country....

No one need ask my permission for anything. I am not God, a government or any other granter of permissions.

As to saving your country, in my opinion, the jury is still out on that and what exactly it is you are doing.

What I do know is that the protesters are acting like a mob, both the ones from this thread and the ones in Turkey. I do not support mobs. Armies, yes, mobs, no.
 

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No one need ask my permission for anything. I am not God, a government or any other granter of permissions.

As to saving your country, in my opinion, the jury is still out on that and what exactly it is you are doing.

What I do know is that the protesters are acting like a mob, both the ones from this thread and the ones in Turkey. I do not support mobs. Armies, yes, mobs, no.

will you prove it ?
 

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It was not a retreat. One statement is about protesters and mobs, one was about Armies. Two different things.

People are people. The state does not have superior moral authority to use force.

The belief that they do lies at the heart authoritarianism
 
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