Bradly Manning Not Guilty Of Aiding Enemy

[Redress]

Been or seen military prison lately? Not the same as regulsr prison.

Did not say they where the same.

 

[Ikari]

How so exactly? He broke the law and that information could just as easily have ended up in other hands. Regardless, I don't know what it has helped you gauge. A randomly went through the site looking to see if I could ever find anything even interesting but couldn't. Most of what I saw were things like "Unit X provided security for transport of IED victims to Y hospital arriving at Z hour" and "X unit arrived back at base at Z+1 hours after escorting IED victims to Y hospital" mundane housekeeping reports.

The only way to keep the Republic is to be informed on the decisions and intent of government; that requires information. Suppressing information suppresses the People's ability to control the government. The laws he broke were made to isolate the government from the People's control. Reasserting our control over government is the highest form of patriotism, not treason.

 

[Redress]

Doesn't or you don't want it to?

Can you think of one case where it has?

 

[Redress]

Agreed, but why are we not investigating these alleged war crimes then? There seems to be a double standard.

Do you know that? I don't know for sure. If there is no investigation, then that is a problem, though one separate from Manning's criminal actions.

 

[clownboy]

Here's the poop on military "hard labor".

 

[clownboy]

The only way to keep the Republic is to be informed on the decisions and intent of government; that requires information. Suppressing information suppresses the People's ability to control the government. The laws he broke were made to isolate the government from the People's control. Reasserting our control over government is the highest form of patriotism, not treason.

Absolute rubbish. Troop movements and detail are not need to know for the public to be able to "control" their government. The laws he broke were designed to keep the information from enemy hands.

Regardless, he knew all this going into the position. He was fully informed as to what the position entailed, what his security clearance covered and why AND he knew the possible consequences of doing what he did.

 

[zgoldsmith23]

Can you think of one case where it has?

Aren't the Australian Aborigines anarchists? How about when were hunter-gatherers? Going along with this, even if it hasn't worked in the past, does that somehow invalidate any and all future attempts?

 

[Mr. Invisible]

Can you think of one case where it has?

Spain. During the Spanish Civil War. Workers Power and the Spanish Revolution - Tom Wetzel | libcom.org

Controversy: Anarchists in the Spanish Revolution - Sam Dolgoff | libcom.org

 

[Peter King]

CNN reporting right now Bradley Manning Not Guilty of Aiding Enemy :usflag2::rock

Great, instead of getting life without parole he might still get life because of him being found guilty of 19 out of 20 charges.

 

[Ikari]

Absolute rubbish. Troop movements and detail are not need to know for the public to be able to "control" their government. The laws he broke were designed to keep the information from enemy hands.

Regardless, he knew all this going into the position. He was fully informed as to what the position entailed, what his security clearance covered and why AND he knew the possible consequences of doing what he did.

Military action, placement, history, and projections are indeed essential for understanding government's true aims. Government can tell us anything it wishes, but boots on ground tell us its real intent. If the government will not be honest with us and will try to isolate itself from the control of the People, we are left with no other alternative but this and more.

 

[CanadaJohn]

I admit I don't know all the details of the information "stolen" and disclosed but it seems to me what I've heard of to date has basically been information embarrassing to American political and bureaucratic officials and not state secrets that the life and liberty of the American people depend upon. If governments all over were held to a higher standard of transparency and legislated annual disclosure of a lot of information governments hold secret, society as a whole would be better off and governments would be less able to skulk in the dark doing things the people would never condone if they'd known.

Clearly, this man broke the law and needs to suffer the consequences of his actions. I know it's wishful thinking, but it would serve justice as well if this and to some extent Snowden and other whistleblower types led to more open government.

 

[Geoist]

CNN reporting right now Bradley Manning Not Guilty of Aiding Enemy :usflag2::rock

Well at least there are some people with brains in the govt.

 

[clownboy]

Military action, placement, history, and projections are indeed essential for understanding government's true aims. Government can tell us anything it wishes, but boots on ground tell us its real intent. If the government will not be honest with us and will try to isolate itself from the control of the People, we are left with no other alternative but this and more.

No way. You don't need exact troop movements to do anything but play armchair general. That's not your call, not the civilian citizen's duty. If you want it to be the commanding officer - join up and put in the time and training to become one.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

He read all 3/4 of a million pages? If not, then he did not know what he was dumping.

Saying he did not harm national security or any soldier is far different than saying he did not endanger any one. Just because a drunk driver does not kill any one does not make drunk driving acceptable,some one driving drunk ok.

Has any of these "war crimes" been prosecuted? And isn't mishandling confidential material also a crime?

One person offering an opinion does not make it true.

let us not forget that manning did not release the information to a news organization like the new york times, he released it to wiki leaks.

 

[Geoist]

A man exposes wrongdoing of our govt: everyone is happy with putting him away for life (if not executed)
A few soldiers cut down innocent journalists and wedding attendees: nobody gives a sh*t.

 

[Fisher]

The only way to keep the Republic is to be informed on the decisions and intent of government; that requires information. Suppressing information suppresses the People's ability to control the government. The laws he broke were made to isolate the government from the People's control. Reasserting our control over government is the highest form of patriotism, not treason.

I disagree. The integrity of the intelligence for the protection of the nation and specific individuals trumps your "right" to sit and point fingers. Now I went through wiki looking for things about which I knew times, dates, locations, names and things that happened, and I couldn't find anything other than the type of things that I already pointed to, so I have no reason to believe those particular items should be classified or even considered sensitive at this point in time. Things just get classified because they have not been sorted through, and they remain classified because there is no practical reason to sort through them, and so far as I can tell, quite a bit of what you claim to have the right to for the sake of the republic is little more than nothing. Not allowing whoever may access the date the ability to just release huge volumes of classified information capriciously without punishment endangers our republic, individuals, and the integrity of the intelligence system.

 

[Ikari]

No way. You don't need exact troop movements to do anything but play armchair general. That's not your call, not the civilian citizen's duty. If you want it to be the commanding officer - join up and put in the time and training to become one.

It is my call, I am the sovereign. Government works for me or it gets disposed of. That's it. Government doesn't exist for the sake of government. None of the leaks put anyone in anymore danger, and even the courts could see that. It was leaked to show the breakdown of government, its desires for war, and to bring it to the front of public consciousness. Nobel goals indeed.

We need more patriots of his ilk.

 

[Geoist]

LMFAOL F the UN- bunch of incompetent idiots; without our $$ they'd be broke.

I hope he likes solitary confinement and hard labor.

POS!

'Merica F*** YEAH!

 

[clownboy]

It is my call, I am the sovereign. Government works for me or it gets disposed of. That's it. Government doesn't exist for the sake of government. None of the leaks put anyone in anymore danger, and even the courts could see that. It was leaked to show the breakdown of government, its desires for war, and to bring it to the front of public consciousness. Nobel goals indeed.

We need more patriots of his ilk.

Nope, you are not the sovereign and government does not work for you - it works for us, as a group.

 

[Ikari]

I disagree. The integrity of the intelligence for the protection of the nation and specific individuals trumps your "right" to sit and point fingers. Now I went through wiki looking for things about which I knew times, dates, locations, names and things that happened, and I couldn't find anything other than the type of things that I already pointed to, so I have no reason to believe those particular items should be classified or even considered sensitive at this point in time. Things just get classified because they have not been sorted through, and they remain classified because there is no practical reason to sort through them, and so far as I can tell, quite a bit of what you claim to have the right to for the sake of the republic is little more than nothing. Not allowing whoever may access the date the ability to just release huge volumes of classified information capriciously without punishment endangers our republic, individuals, and the integrity of the intelligence system.

The government is the single largest threat to our freedom and liberty. Not some no named terrorists in the ME we're fighting because the government's corporate buddies make a fantastic profit. I am in charge, I am the seat of sovereignty for the government. To control, we must know what it's doing, when and how so that we can gauge intent and make accurate forecast of government threat and force.

Knowledge is everything, information is the tool we use to keep government under leash.

 

[Ikari]

Nope, you are not the sovereign and government does not work for you - it works for us, as a group.

We the People, and I am of We the People. The sovereignty lies within the People, not the Government.

We need more patriots of his ilk.

 

[Geoist]

wrongo. he signed a contract, he took an oath, he broke both.

Sometimes contracts have to be broken. Of course, our President and politicians break their oaths to uphold the Constitution all the time. Where are their charges?

 

[Redress]

Aren't the Australian Aborigines anarchists? How about when were hunter-gatherers? Going along with this, even if it hasn't worked in the past, does that somehow invalidate any and all future attempts?

Not sure on the Aborigines, but that would not really be relevant to compare to a modern national government.

No it does not invalidate entirely, it is simply evidence. Since the obvious flaws with anarchy as government are clearly not enough to dissuade some libertarians(who at other times claim they are not anarchists...funny that), the next step is to look at past evidence.

 

[Geoist]

How so exactly? He broke the law and that information could just as easily have ended up in other hands.

I assure you that information is in other hands.

 

[Geoist]

funny, the same guys that run underage brothels all around the world are pissing themselves and crying that POS Manning's treatment was cruel and inhuman. hey UN....go **** yourself

Evidence?