Bradly Manning Not Guilty Of Aiding Enemy

[Fisher]

Yeah, I am aware of that. I find the 20 - 30 range to be too low for my liking.

There is no way to know given who is hearing the case, but I certainly think anything more than 10 is stretching it from what I know of the case. Going lighter on Manning might increase the likelihood that Snowden will return to the US to face trial voluntarily though.

 

[Redress]

If you would actually go and read up on the subject, Manning knew very well what he was 'dumping.' According to the Pentagon, the info that Manning revealed did not harm national security or any soldiers. In addition to this, he revealed US war crimes that were occurring, which, under military law, he has an obligation to do (obviously not in this manner however.) The UN Torture Chief ruled the conditions under which Manning was held to be "cruel and inhumane." (Bradley Manning's treatment was cruel and inhuman, UN torture chief rules | World news | theguardian.com)

He read all 3/4 of a million pages? If not, then he did not know what he was dumping.

Saying he did not harm national security or any soldier is far different than saying he did not endanger any one. Just because a drunk driver does not kill any one does not make drunk driving acceptable,some one driving drunk ok.

Has any of these "war crimes" been prosecuted? And isn't mishandling confidential material also a crime?

One person offering an opinion does not make it true.

 

[Redress]

It's about 20 - 30 years too high.

Anarchy does not work. Laws have to be enforced.

 

[Ikari]

Anarchy does not work. Laws have to be enforced.

Anarchy is sometimes a necessary tool against unconstrained government. Just laws need to be enforced, unjust laws ignored.

 

[ARealConservative]

Anarchy does not work. Laws have to be enforced.

not the draconian ones

 

[OscarB63]

Yeah, but he stuck it to the man, so clearly he is heroic....

and now, at Leavenworth, "the man" is going to be sticking it to him....clearly not so heroic

 

[OscarB63]

Nice, but he shouldn't be in jail at all. The information released was necessary for the People to gauge and respond to government action and intent.

wrongo. he signed a contract, he took an oath, he broke both.

 

[Fisher]

Nice, but he shouldn't be in jail at all. The information released was necessary for the People to gauge and respond to government action and intent.

How so exactly? He broke the law and that information could just as easily have ended up in other hands. Regardless, I don't know what it has helped you gauge. A randomly went through the site looking to see if I could ever find anything even interesting but couldn't. Most of what I saw were things like "Unit X provided security for transport of IED victims to Y hospital arriving at Z hour" and "X unit arrived back at base at Z+1 hours after escorting IED victims to Y hospital" mundane housekeeping reports.

 

[polisciguy]

After working for the intelligence community for about 10 years, I'm happy with the verdict in that regard. I came across many things I did not agree with on principle, including, I might add, assessing potential outcomes of more than one false-flag operation. I am hoping we have more Mannings and Snowdens such that a more Libertarian view of foreign policy can be adopted.

 

[Northern Light]

Anarchy does not work. Laws have to be enforced.

20 years ago, the "operational details" that Manning released would have mostly been readily accessible by war correspondents covering the region. Now the government keeps a tight lid on press reporting in order to hinder democratic involvement, which is the precise reason why Manning released the info he did.

Not only do I support Manning and Snowden, but I hope more people like them come forward in the future. Our corporate press no longer honors its original function or the government won't allow it to, and the statism of the Fed is out of control. At this point, without leaks the People are completely blind and ignorant of what our government is doing.

 

[OscarB63]

LMFAOL F the UN- bunch of incompetent idiots; without our $$ they'd be broke.

I hope he likes solitary confinement and hard labor.

POS!

funny, the same guys that run underage brothels all around the world are pissing themselves and crying that POS Manning's treatment was cruel and inhuman. hey UN....go **** yourself

 

[Redress]

not the draconian ones

You are claiming laws to ensure classified information remains secure are draconian?

 

[TheNextEra]

Still a mighty long time to spend in prison. I hope he, himself, feels like it was worth it - I know I wouldn't.

Military prison at that. Hope his 15 minutes of fame was worth the hard labor he's going to get for the next couple of decades or so.

 

[Mr. Invisible]

He read all 3/4 of a million pages? If not, then he did not know what he was dumping.

Saying he did not harm national security or any soldier is far different than saying he did not endanger any one. Just because a drunk driver does not kill any one does not make drunk driving acceptable,some one driving drunk ok.

Has any of these "war crimes" been prosecuted? And isn't mishandling confidential material also a crime?

One person offering an opinion does not make it true.

Just because someone is prosecuted for something doesn't mean it is OK. Look at the bankers and how we have knowledge that crimes were committed, but no one was prosecuted.

"Saying he did not harm national security or any soldier is far different than saying he did not endanger any one."

The Pentagon stated that no troops had been endangered by the docs. (Pentagon review: No troops endangered by Wikileaks documents « Hot Air)

 

[Redress]

Military prison at that. Hope his 15 minutes of fame was worth the hard labor he's going to get for the next couple of decades or so.

I am pretty sure hard labor has been done away with.

 

[TheNextEra]

I am pretty sure hard labor has been done away with.

Been or seen military prison lately? Not the same as regulsr prison.

 

[OscarB63]

Military prison at that. Hope his 15 minutes of fame was worth the hard labor he's going to get for the next couple of decades or so.

like I said, people like POS Manning are not very well received by their fellow inmates in military prison.

 

[Redress]

Just because someone is prosecuted for something doesn't mean it is OK. Look at the bankers and how we have knowledge that crimes were committed, but no one was prosecuted.

"Saying he did not harm national security or any soldier is far different than saying he did not endanger any one."

The Pentagon stated that no troops had been endangered by the docs. (Pentagon review: No troops endangered by Wikileaks documents « Hot Air)

I did not say that not being prosecuted made it ok, but alleged war crime, and war crime are two different things.

You realize your source quite clearly states ongoing review, and no soldiers in the field. So it is not certain, and no soldier in the field is far from all inclusive.

 

[ARealConservative]

You are claiming laws to ensure classified information remains secure are draconian?

at this point, anything that damages a politician is classified.

our government isn't designed to function in such secrecy. time to revisit the true purpose of government and stop enforcing this draconian nonsense.

 

[Ikari]

wrongo. he signed a contract, he took an oath, he broke both.

Politicians take an oath to uphold the Constitution and then work around it or violate it; they ain't in jail. So when you start getting those guys, I'll start worrying about the little fishes telling us that the Government ain't upholding their end of the contract.

 

[zgoldsmith23]

Anarchy does not work. Laws have to be enforced.

Doesn't or you don't want it to?

 

[Ikari]

You are claiming laws to ensure classified information remains secure are draconian?

They certainly can be depending on what information they're suppressing and how they are suppressing it.

 

[Jerry]

CNN reporting right now Bradley Manning Not Guilty of Aiding Enemy :usflag2::rock

That bitch needs to be put to death.

 

[Mr. Invisible]

I did not say that not being prosecuted made it ok, but alleged war crime, and war crime are two different things.

You realize your source quite clearly states ongoing review, and no soldiers in the field. So it is not certain, and no soldier in the field is far from all inclusive.

Agreed, but why are we not investigating these alleged war crimes then? There seems to be a double standard.

 

[LowDown]

I find that not nearly long enough. On the aiding the enemy charge, not being bright enough to know that if every one can access information, that includes the enemy should not be a viable excuse. You should be responsible for foreseeable outcomes to your action.

Will wait for more details are available before commenting further, but as of now, I am not happy with this.

I don't go with radicals who think that this leak was a good thing. Governments have to be able to keep secrets to function. Dealing with other people and institutions confidentially is vitally important.

How would the the radicals posting to this thread feel if their confidential records such as their income tax forms were leaked? They are government documents. Would they be insisting that the people have a right to know that stuff?

As for Manning, he didn't even know what was in what he leaked. He was reckless in the extreme. What we know about his state of mind indicates that he was out to hurt America, to get back at the military, in particular, because he didn't like it, he wasn't fitting in. He richly deserves the 20 years he's going to get.