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BP Spill : The truth of the situation

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Now, I'm going to start this off by saying that this is a serious post, and I will report anyone that's detracting from the conversation... make the jokes in the 9-11 thread... this takes precedence now anyway....

This is a conversation with Alex jones that I'll be linking to, but for the sake of argument pretend that he's NOT on the Alex Jones show and only pay attention to the words of this man.

In the times I've seen him predict oil prices with a surprising accuracy, and the results were as he described. This man wrote a book about his experiences with the oil company where the source of his information, his source, 'Mr X' is a former ceo of one of the top 3 oil companies in the world, he is a globalist, and he tells him their plans and what amount of those plans he can reveal to the public.... the prospect being that even telling the people will not change the outcome.

Now, about the BP oil spill I'll summarize this hour and a half discussion from Lindsey Williams, author of 'the energy non-crisis'.

No, in the response, let's discuss this in terms of the actual oil spill... please. If you disagree with this analysis please explain it in detail... I only put it in this thread because it would likely get kicked here anyway.

"This is a super-mega disaster the likes of which the world has ever experienced, and the pressures were so extreme"

"This was absolutely not terrorism, this was an accident. They are scared."

"The oil is ABSOLUTELY NOT the great danger. ABSOLUTELY NOT. It's what comes up WITH the oil that is deadly."

"Mr X said that the only solution would be to diagonal drill into the same strata, drop a nuclear device and set it off. If the plan works and the hole is cauterized we'll be the saviors of the world, if it's not and it opens other fissures then it will be the greatest disaster mankind has ever experienced."

"In 1970, the Russians have struck oil at the record depths of 4230 ft, Russia and it's major oil company has drilled 310 ST3 wells, it's now surpassing saudia arabia in oil production since last year. What they found was called "abiotic oil" and it is NOT a fossil fuel, it is a result of the reactions going on deep within the earth. The textbooks on oil production will have to be re-written. There is no such thing as peak oil. Russia had sense enough to drill these wells ON LAND... NOT in the gulf of mexico."

"BP, a non-american company, was so stupid as to drill so deep, offshore, on a floating platform, that is kept in place with sophisticated GPS equipment. On top of ocean sitting 5000ft deep. Then they began their drilling 25-30000 ft deep... a super-deep well. They hit something so big that they could not contain it. It was much worse then they ever thought."

"They hit a strata of oil at such high pressure that it burst ALL of their safety valves, the pressure they hit is beyond human means to contain it."

"The BP oil well has announced a very different pressure result then they had actually mesured. 1500PSI is considered a good well-head pressure. They hit between 20 000-70 000 PSI of well-head pressure. It's now releasing up to 4 MILLION barrels per day."

"NOAA, Chris baltimore, Houston, "US experts investigate reports of underseas oil plumes emanating from BPs stricken well,in the gulf of mexico concerned the presence below the surface, NOAA is confirming the presence of subsurface oil, and underseas plumes 20 miles away."

"The stuff you call oil only destroys the coastline, what's coming out with the oil is killing humans and unborn children, from the EPA this week, the tests found that the most toxic compounds are in there...
- volatile organic compounds in the air
- hydrogen sulfide : allowable 5-10 parts per Billion tested in the gulf : 1200 PPB
- Benzyne :TOXIC safe level 0-4ppb tested : 3000ppb This can cause leukemia, among a whole host of issues.
- Mythlene-Chloride : safe level 61ppb tested : 3000-3400 ppb"

*****"He told me "The only way I can see to stop this is a nuke, BUT, a nuke This strata of oil is so deep that noone has ever drilled into before, and because of the extreme pressure that's already there nothing man-made can close the fissure, and it would take months because of the angle drilling to the main fissure... but if we use a nuke and it works we will saviors of the world, but if we do nuke that strata and it opens more fissures, it will pour that same level or more oil forever and nobody will ever be able to close it untill it's empty."********

"You will NOT see this well capped in the near future."

"Obama will get across every aspect of his plan to turn america into a socialistic nation. Including his carbon tax." "Oil companies will be nationalized." "Airlines will go bankrupt" "You will see gas prices of 6-8$/gallon if they stop offshore oil drilling... SOON."

"If they nuke it and it doesn't work, they will never in the history of man be able to close it again."

"America can simply NOT afford to stop drilling."

"Fixed income and low-income people will no longer be able to drive because of the cost."

"The BP oil spill may have an event of apocalyptic proportions', a report said Russian ministry of natural ressources 'Threatening the entire eastern half of american continent with total destruction'. "The worst environmental catastrophe in all of human history." - European union times reported, "Russian scientists believe bp is pumping millions of gallons of corexite 9500 a chemical dispersing agent under the gulf of mexico waters to hide the extent of the leak now estimated to be 2.9 million gallons per day. Experts say corexite 9500 is a solvent four times more toxic of oil. 2.61 ppm toxicity. In the warm water it's molecules will be able to phase transition into a gas that can mix can be absorbed by clouds and being released as toxic rain. Leading to unimaginable environmental catastrophe."

"You might even see a full evacuation of Florida and much of the Gulf coast"

"Because of the corrosiveness of oil, it could very easily arode the pipe, and if they wait a few more months there may not be any of the pipeline left."

"The oil companies have no possible way to solve this, other then a nuke."

This situation is turning out to be far more serious then it's even still being implied in the media, but if you want the full interview;
YouTube - TheAlexJonesChannel's Channel

But please... if you're going to disagree at least make it constructive and relevant for a discussion. This man talking has a track-record of his 'predictions'...

But Let's hear the thoughts on this and the issue from your perspectives.
 
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Is the information saying that BP was trying to drill 20-30,000 feet deep with this well? If this is so, I would think there would be somebody who has first-hand knowledge talking. That's not the kind of stuff that people will typically keep silent about.
 

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The source is claimed as : "Mr X" a former CEO of one of the top 3 oil companies in the world, in a conversation that included a high level individual with BP.

Honestly, that noone is coming out publicly and stating any of this, it means either this man is lying, or there is a media blackout, or that nobody knows accurately how deep beyond a few choice people... shifting workers around would produce that result of nobody truly knowing it's depth. It's whichever you believe... I only quoted the words of Lindsey Williams (or paraphrased closely), so... It's a safe bet that this information is accurate... but I couldn't PROVE IT beyond this man's words.

His main prediction was that by the end of July you can probably expect gas prices around 6-8$/gallon if they halt offshore drilling, If / when this happens, will you give the man a bit of credit?? Because when oil prices were at 30-40$ he 'predicted' that oil prices would skyrocket to 150-250$/barrel.... it happened on it's cue and created the desired effect of being the catalyst for the economic bubble bursting inthe housing market, as well as bankrupting some of the oil producing middle eastern nations... and then was to follow by the price coming down to about 60-70$ / barrel and stabalizing .

You may not believe this man, but I've seen his predictions come true on cue... I'll take his word as accurate, and the sentiment behind his words.
 

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I'm not familiar with the guy, so I'm not accusing him of lying. It just seems like a pretty big accusation and high-level corruption, if it's the case. Thanks for the info. I'm not a believer nor a disbliever in stuff like this- I just like to explore the possibilities, and will say that nothing much could surprise me.:)
 

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Here's a proper bio : The Energy Non-Crisis by Lindsey Williams

I would also note that throughout the interview he urged people to use the proper vocabulary or anyone with any oil production experience would simply laugh it off.
 

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I'm not familiar with the guy, so I'm not accusing him of lying. It just seems like a pretty big accusation and high-level corruption, if it's the case. Thanks for the info. I'm not a believer nor a disbliever in stuff like this- I just like to explore the possibilities, and will say that nothing much could surprise me.:)

Alex Jones?
I'm familiar with him. He lives in my city. I've met him.
He's a wingnut.
I used to take him seriously... when I was younger and more gullible.
 

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He is a bit of a nutjob... but you can essentially ignore Alex's statements in this interview for the purpose of this discussion. We can debate the legitimacy of Alex jones in another thread....
 

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April 10, 2009 - Lindsey Williams: "Death of the dollar within the next 4 months"

Lindsey Williams: Death of the Dollar within next four months

How'd that work out for him?

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Pastor Lindsey Williams goes on the Alex Jones show to reveal what he just found out from his Illuminati elite contact. Some of the points revealed:

- Within 2 years you will not recognize America.
- Massive inflation will kick in and escalate. The USD will die by 2012.
- You can only rely on gold and silver.
- Americans will become very poor.
- War is planned after 2 years? Turmoil in the Middle East 2 years from now. World War 2 brought world out of depression.
- The elite is speeding up their schedule for change: within 2 years.
- Within 2 years: “The Devil’s Messiah” ?? Churches and many pastors are being corrupted. The Anti-Christ coming within 2 years??
- Obama is in trouble.
- Nearly everyone will be working for the government: Communism!

Lindsey Williams: Within 2 Years You Will Not Recognize America! Dollar Will Die by 2012! Gold and Silver are All You Can Rely On! War is Planned! The Devil’s Messiah Within 2 Years??

****ing LOL
 

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That was from April 2009... the ways in which what he said came true are about as scary as what hasn't come true...
- Within 2 years you will not recognize America. - There's still about a year on this one...
- Massive inflation will kick in and escalate. The USD will die by 2012. - You can only rely on gold and silver. : Gold in 2009 was floating around900-950$/oz. Now around 1200.
- Americans will become very poor. : How many people have lost their jobs and are on, or out of unemployment benefits?
- War is planned after 2 years? Turmoil in the Middle East 2 years from now. World War 2 brought world out of depression. : Look at the Mideast, particularly Israel, the koreas, and Iran,
- The elite is speeding up their schedule for change: within 2 years. : Obama promised change, and he's delivered by passing legislation... within the next 2 years he MIGHT be able to ENACT that legislation.
- Within 2 years: “The Devil’s Messiah” ?? Churches and many pastors are being corrupted. The Anti-Christ coming within 2 years?? : If you're a religious man you know the implications if this is true... look at the federalization of churches... 501(c)3 (I believe it is)
- Obama is in trouble. : Obama's approuval rating is the lowest of any president this far in his term according to most every poll I've seen.
- Nearly everyone will be working for the government: Communism! : Well, the merger between corporations and governments is called fascism, so yes I do disagree with Williams on that point.
 
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That was from April 2009... the ways in which what he said came true are about as scary as what hasn't come true...

He said "death of the dollar within 4 months." It's been 14 months and the dollar has gone UP several percent.

The rest is standard apocalyptic garbage, all either too general to be disproven or set far enough in the future that he hopes everyone will forget by then.

He's a run of the mill lunatic.
 

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"You will NOT see this well capped in the near future."

Yes, we will.

but if we do nuke that strata and it opens more fissures, it will pour that same level or more oil forever and nobody will ever be able to close it untill it's empty.

This is the most important reason (out of many) why we shouldn't nuke it. We will not nuke it.

"The oil companies have no possible way to solve this, other then a nuke."

16lb/gallon drilling mud and then cement will be used to kill the well.

They hit between 20 000-70 000 PSI of well-head pressure.

Macondo is a hair under 13,500 PSI.

It's now releasing up to 4 MILLION barrels per day.

Ok now I think this guy is just smoking crack. 4 million barrels per day is several orders of magnitude beyond what is possible out of this well.


Please please please... do some actual research on the physics involved in this.
 

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He said "death of the dollar within 4 months." It's been 14 months and the dollar has gone UP several percent.

Yes... and how many times has the dollar been artificially propped up in that time??
Also, what is the measure of the dollar going up?? Relative to the euro? The canadian dollar? The Yen? The economic issues are a global concern at this point... ALL currencies are going down because all these currencies on a printing money spree... but it's not even printed money, it's all numbers on a computer screen... and it's all not worth the money it's not printed on. To say that the dollar is not on the edge of collapse is really an overly optimistic viewpoint.

The rest is standard apocalyptic garbage, all either too general to be disproven or set far enough in the future that he hopes everyone will forget by then.

He's a run of the mill lunatic.

I omitted that stuff on purpose, because the information is far enough out there as it is... You're either gonna believe his words or you won't... that's not up to me, but I can say that if you look at his earlier specific predictions and the results, you'll find that more often then not his predictions (which aren't even really predictions for the most part, but repeating the words of his MR X) actually come true.

It was the same conversation hearing the oil prices would come to triple in the near future (at the time), and it was the same discussion then that Williams was a nutter.... then it happens... he announces the prices are coming down within 6 months and will remain stable around there... and it happens, etc...

If his track record didn't speak for itself I wouldn't defend his words.

Ok, so nobody is disputing his statements, just the characters in this interview?? Nobody tried to disprove the various quotes and statements and their specific source journals?

Has anyone read past the first few paragraphs of what was refined from an hour and a half interview??
 

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Yes, we will.

I pray that you are right.

This is the most important reason (out of many) why we shouldn't nuke it. We will not nuke it.

I shutter at the prospect of blowing up a nuclear bomb in the gulf of mexico, I've heard this idea proposed by a number of different sources... I hope they don't actually try except as a last resort.

16lb/gallon drilling mud and then cement will be used to kill the well.

I've seen a good number of proposed solutions... and wondered why none of these were being used... also, why standard techniques that already exist to deal with oil spills that were not being used.

Macondo is a hair under 13,500 PSI.
You're right I'm not an expert, nor claiming expertise. So, can you clarify the specific relevance?

Ok now I think this guy is just smoking crack. 4 million barrels per day is several orders of magnitude beyond what is possible out of this well.


Please please please... do some actual research on the physics involved in this.

Ok, then what about the 'Russian ministry of natural ressources' assessment, a more conservative 2.9 million barrels per day, also the NOAA's Chris Baltimore, who discussed oil plumes surfacing up to 20 miles away?
Lastly : Toxic Oil Spill Rains Warned Could Destroy North America | EUTimes.net

So, since this corexit 9500 is being used to disperse the oil, in quantities that cannot be accurately confirmed in spite of the attempts, can it really be said for certain that this is not being used as a factor to hide the true extents of this spill?

I can't express enough how relieved I would be if this well got closed in the next week.... unfortunately, Lindsey Williams statements, in the long run more often then not turn out to be accurate.
 

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I pray that you are right.

It is only a matter of when. A hurricane or two could set it back, but there is already a solid plan in place for that (where the relief well rig crews will be the last ones out and the first ones back in). Downtime for the relief wells will be a matter of a few days rather than the usual couple weeks.



I shutter at the prospect of blowing up a nuclear bomb in the gulf of mexico, I've heard this idea proposed by a number of different sources... I hope they don't actually try except as a last resort.

Luckily there are some very competent people heading up the operation, and a nuke will never be an option to them.

I've seen a good number of proposed solutions... and wondered why none of these were being used... also, why standard techniques that already exist to deal with oil spills that were not being used.

The good solutions that are actually possible to STOP the well ARE being used. As far as cleaning up the spill goes, we are in agreement.


You're right I'm not an expert, nor claiming expertise. So, can you clarify the specific relevance?

IF the wellhead pressure actually was 70,000 PSI, then absolutely NOTHING would stop it. The pressure also would have completely blown the entire casing string out of the well. I assure you that the pressure is actually 13,500 PSI, which is still a great deal, but is nothing out of the ordinary in this field.

Ok, then what about the 'Russian ministry of natural ressources' assessment, a more conservative 2.9 million barrels per day, also the NOAA's Chris Baltimore, who discussed oil plumes surfacing up to 20 miles away?

Actually, if you read your link again, the Russian MNRA was quoted as saying 2.9 million GALLONS... 42 gallons in a barrel, so their estimate is roughly 69,000 barrels per day. That is on the very high end of the REAL expert estimates, and although it would be one HELL of a well that BP had stumbled on, it is not impossible. 4 million barrels per day is completely, 100%, without a doubt impossible.

Lastly : Toxic Oil Spill Rains Warned Could Destroy North America | EUTimes.net

So, since this corexit 9500 is being used to disperse the oil, in quantities that cannot be accurately confirmed in spite of the attempts, can it really be said for certain that this is not being used as a factor to hide the true extents of this spill?

There is no doubt that the use of the dispersant is "hiding" the true extent of the spill... at least hiding it from the surface/air. At the same time, it is actually breaking down the oil into smaller droplets, increasing the surface area in which natural breakdown can occur. This is arguably a good thing, but nobody really KNOWS yet since this is a first for massive deepsea dispersant use. You can either have HUGE balls of oil cruising around at various depths, or you can have smaller ones. No clear answer here and I have seen good arguments for both.

I can't express enough how relieved I would be if this well got closed in the next week.... unfortunately, Lindsey Williams statements, in the long run more often then not turn out to be accurate.

Figure on seeing progressively better containment being implemented up until the relief well intersection, which should take place mid to late August. I wouldn't be surprised to see them capturing 95%-100% of the oil by then. After the intersection is made is when things get VERY interesting, and they have one of the best relief well engineers of all time heading up the op.
 

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To touch on a couple more points from the OP.

"BP, a non-american company, was so stupid as to drill so deep, offshore, on a floating platform, that is kept in place with sophisticated GPS equipment. On top of ocean sitting 5000ft deep. Then they began their drilling 25-30000 ft deep... a super-deep well. They hit something so big that they could not contain it. It was much worse then they ever thought."

"They hit a strata of oil at such high pressure that it burst ALL of their safety valves, the pressure they hit is beyond human means to contain it."

This is wrong. BP was stupid in the sense that they had a craptacular casing string design. MMS approved the change from exploratory to production without even really looking at it. Haliburton then botched the cement job by testing for full pressure without waiting for the concrete to fully cure. BP then ignored the failed pressure test readings, and started to displace the heavy mud in the riser with seawater. They were straight up RUSHING it. Adding to it, the rig disconnect failed, and the BOP failed. Massive failure on just about every front, but the idea of drilling that deep is NOT the issue.

"Because of the corrosiveness of oil, it could very easily arode the pipe, and if they wait a few more months there may not be any of the pipeline left."

This is no doubt happening. However, even if the entire casing was gone and all we had left was the bore, you could STILL use heavy mud and concrete plugs to kill it. If for some reason they couldn't get the mud mix right to kill the flow, they have another conventional trick up their sleeves (in the form of ULTRA strong, giant, inflatable bladders). These would be lowered down the relief well and placed in the wild well, then pumped full of mud.

Bman, please dude, when you put stuff like "TRUTH of the situation" in your titles, you should try to find it first. There is so much info out there about how this stuff works, and yet again you turn to people like Jones for your info. How many times do these people need to be proven as phonies before you look elsewhere for technical info regarding technical matters?
 

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You can't disprove a negative. (one example: How can we disprove the downfall of American in 2 years when your self pointed out there is still time left in his prediction).
Its like prove me wrong that Obama will quit smoking in four years. Opinions and speculation is all that can be done. Or You will see gas prices of 6-8$/gallon if they stop offshore oil drilling... SOON."
How can you even disprove that, what is soon, Price of gas droped yesterday, is the prediction wrong?
Way to much wiggle room in most of the statements.
 

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First off, thank you... this was the type of honest discussion I was looking for here...

It is only a matter of when. A hurricane or two could set it back, but there is already a solid plan in place for that (where the relief well rig crews will be the last ones out and the first ones back in). Downtime for the relief wells will be a matter of a few days rather than the usual couple weeks.

Yes... that is a concern is the hurricanes, not being an expert on hurricanes either, I had questioned the potential of the hurricanes sucking up large portions of this spill, and then the potential of that oil being hit by lighting withing the storm... since that would have the three factors for fire : fuel, oxygen and heat.

Luckily there are some very competent people heading up the operation, and a nuke will never be an option to them.

telegraphjournal.com - Oil spill? Just nuke it - Breaking News, New Brunswick, Canada
Oil spill latest: A nuke to stop the Gulf oil spill | GDS Publishing
YouTube - Nuke the oil spill: Could nuclear bomb be answer for huge leaks as at US Gulf coast?

(Only to say that there are people suggesting this as an option)

The good solutions that are actually possible to STOP the well ARE being used. As far as cleaning up the spill goes, we are in agreement.

Really, I was just acting as a repeater... I don't KNOW the specifics in any first hand way, and I'm not an expert... However, I DO know that very often the way an event goes over in life can very often be drastically different from how that even becomes REPORTED on...

I think we can agree that there is a time limit in this... even if the reality is the 13500 PSI as you're suggesting with the corrosiveness of the oil the longer it takes to stop the well, the more chances that there will be further ruptures in the wellhead structure. If it is in the 20-70k PSI as was reported in the interview then any solution available presently would be moot because there really isn't much of anything that could stop that kind of flow.
I think I missed quoting it, but it was explained that the sequence of events was that a technician pointed out to his boss that one of the safety valves had a malfunction that should be checked / replaced, the boss said 'we don't have time, keep drilling', and when he continued, it caused the 3 layers of safety valves to rupture almost simultaneously, and that the final reported pressure reading was above the 20k PSI...


IF the wellhead pressure actually was 70,000 PSI, then absolutely NOTHING would stop it. The pressure also would have completely blown the entire casing string out of the well. I assure you that the pressure is actually 13,500 PSI, which is still a great deal, but is nothing out of the ordinary in this field.

I can only go off what was told, from a person who has shown himself to be privy to 'inside' information and predictions that have turned out to be accurate several times within the timeframes supplied (mainly on oil prices and political maneuvering). I'm not blindly accepting those numbers... but let's say it was actually in the 20k range could that account for the extent of the damage that we're seeing?? Since, regardless of the numbers it was said fairly unequivocally that it was the excess of pressure combined with a fault in a safety valve that led to this leak... also combined with an excess of greed on the part of the oil company setting profits over safety.

Actually, if you read your link again, the Russian MNRA was quoted as saying 2.9 million GALLONS... 42 gallons in a barrel, so their estimate is roughly 69,000 barrels per day. That is on the very high end of the REAL expert estimates, and although it would be one HELL of a well that BP had stumbled on, it is not impossible. 4 million barrels per day is completely, 100%, without a doubt impossible.

Maybe that was a misquote on my behalf, I'd have to go back... but it may have been said that it was between 3-4 million gallons rather then barrels... the main point was that the numbers reported on were on the very low end of the spectrum as for how much oil is actually being released. Being a repeater has it's disadvantages afterall.

There is no doubt that the use of the dispersant is "hiding" the true extent of the spill... at least hiding it from the surface/air. At the same time, it is actually breaking down the oil into smaller droplets, increasing the surface area in which natural breakdown can occur. This is arguably a good thing, but nobody really KNOWS yet since this is a first for massive deepsea dispersant use. You can either have HUGE balls of oil cruising around at various depths, or you can have smaller ones. No clear answer here and I have seen good arguments for both.

Thanks again... the big issue is the toxicity of these dispersants... and if this dispersant CAN change into a gaseous state and combine with rain clouds, then anyone downwind is at risk of the toxic effects. Which in a sense confirms the fact that the oil is NOT the biggest concern of this spill.

Figure on seeing progressively better containment being implemented up until the relief well intersection, which should take place mid to late August. I wouldn't be surprised to see them capturing 95%-100% of the oil by then. After the intersection is made is when things get VERY interesting, and they have one of the best relief well engineers of all time heading up the op.

Again, I do hope that what was presented was wrong / exaggerated.... but do you feel that it was an exaggeration to suggest that a halting of deepsea drilling would create an increase in the cost of fuel by a magnitude of doubling to tripling??

To touch on a couple more points from the OP.

This is wrong. BP was stupid in the sense that they had a craptacular casing string design. MMS approved the change from exploratory to production without even really looking at it. Haliburton then botched the cement job by testing for full pressure without waiting for the concrete to fully cure. BP then ignored the failed pressure test readings, and started to displace the heavy mud in the riser with seawater. They were straight up RUSHING it. Adding to it, the rig disconnect failed, and the BOP failed. Massive failure on just about every front, but the idea of drilling that deep is NOT the issue.

This actually agrees with what he was saying, quoting his 'MR X'. That it was the Rush that led to the failure.

This is no doubt happening. However, even if the entire casing was gone and all we had left was the bore, you could STILL use heavy mud and concrete plugs to kill it. If for some reason they couldn't get the mud mix right to kill the flow, they have another conventional trick up their sleeves (in the form of ULTRA strong, giant, inflatable bladders). These would be lowered down the relief well and placed in the wild well, then pumped full of mud.

Bman, please dude, when you put stuff like "TRUTH of the situation" in your titles, you should try to find it first. There is so much info out there about how this stuff works, and yet again you turn to people like Jones for your info. How many times do these people need to be proven as phonies before you look elsewhere for technical info regarding technical matters?

Actually, I disregarded everything from Jones... Lindsey Williams, I've seen his 'predictions' that came from his 'Mr X' come to pass no less then three times previously... and coincides with the analysis of other experts whose analysis I've come to trust, like Gerald Celente as example.

I don't use Alex Jones as a single source of information, especially if I'm going to start a thread on the subject. Even though, in about 80% or more of the time Alex Jones does nothing more then reading mainstream media sources.

BM -
You can't disprove a negative. (one example: How can we disprove the downfall of American in 2 years when your self pointed out there is still time left in his prediction).

I'll turn to Gerald Celente who has offered a similar opinion : By the mid-end of 2010 you would see the bailout money dry up, and there would be a drastic collapse of the dollar before the clock strikes midnight 2011. The US dollar is very close to losing it's position as world reserve currency... some states are veering towards bankruptcy, etc...

This one I agree with you, it's too vague to be taken on it's own merits... but there is alot that can be done to 'prop up' the dollar, and the country as a whole... when it happens it will blindside ALOT of people who have had interest in little more then drinking, sports and sex

Its like prove me wrong that Obama will quit smoking in four years. Opinions and speculation is all that can be done. Or You will see gas prices of 6-8$/gallon if they stop offshore oil drilling... SOON."
How can you even disprove that, what is soon, Price of gas droped yesterday, is the prediction wrong?

Sorry, I didn't exactly put that as points to be 'disproven' but rather a statement of where this 'MR X' has stated that these things are headed towards... so that in a number of months we can come back and see the verification / failing of these 'predictions'.

Way to much wiggle room in most of the statements.

It's stated alot more clearly throughout the interview, I was mostly trying to capture the meat and potatoes of Williams' side of the interview, because it was my hope that by eliminating Jones' input that I could avoid having to debate the validity of Jones as a source...

Previous predictions that I keep bringing up were MUCH more specific... like 'within 6 months oil prices will move to ___ for the purpose of ____'
 

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Good thread. Its not your typical post. The USA and the world faces some interesting challenges. I hope the people of America have the backbone like the ones who survived the great depression and those who served during WWII, so we can prove some skeptics wrong. All I can say is we all need to pull togeather.
 

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Bman,

This guy is a tin hat whacko. So much of what this guy said doesn't even pass the smell test.

Nuke the site? Seriously? Having millions of gallons of oil floating around the ocean isn't bad enough? This guy thinks we should have millions of gallons of "radioactive" oil floating around. :roll: And what would that radioactivity do to the sea life... for the next hundred years or more in the Gulf and around the world as the currents spread it all over the globe?

A nuke would only blow a bigger hole for the oil to spew out of and may even cause more cracks to open up elsewhere on the ocean floor.
 

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Bman,

This guy is a tin hat whacko. So much of what this guy said doesn't even pass the smell test.

That's fine... I made this thread knowing that it was either a person would accept the source for what it is, or to disregard it, that's fine.

Nuke the site? Seriously? Having millions of gallons of oil floating around the ocean isn't bad enough? This guy thinks we should have millions of gallons of "radioactive" oil floating around. :roll: And what would that radioactivity do to the sea life... for the next hundred years or more in the Gulf and around the world as the currents spread it all over the globe?

Yup... I thought it was a joke when I first heard it proposed, and I've seen the nuke option proposed in a variety of MSM sources... and for much of the same reasons you're bringing up... BUT if it REALLY IS under the types of pressures that are beyond our technological capacity to contain, and is threatening to become larger as the actual oil begins to corrode the pipes, etc... then using a nuclear explosion deep under the ground, MIGHT cauterize the flow by creating a significant blockage... OR, it might create multiple fissures throughout the surrounding area, where as much or more oil would flow out essentially untill that strata of oil has been emptied.

A nuke would only blow a bigger hole for the oil to spew out of and may even cause more cracks to open up elsewhere on the ocean floor.

The russians apparently have used nuclear bombs to close off burning well heads numerous times... and it has worked for them... the rules might be different when the water pressure alone is over 2200 PSI.
 

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The russians apparently have used nuclear bombs to close off burning well heads numerous times... and it has worked for them... the rules might be different when the water pressure alone is over 2200 PSI.

I think the Russians did this in land wells, never under water. But, I'd have to check.
 

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Adk - As far as I can tell you're correct, it was all on land... even though they were similarly super-deep wells.

The one issue I haven't seen touched on, but would be curious was the contention that this 'oil' was actually an 'abiotic oil' which "is not a fossil fuel but a result of a chemical reaction going on deep within the surface of the earth".

The most I've seen confirming this was witness statements that the oil wasn't the typical black, but varying shades of brown and green.
 

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Cheney engineered this disaster to embarrass the Obama administration....:2razz:
 

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Cheney engineered this disaster to embarrass the Obama administration....:2razz:

This time I don't believe so... but I have zero doubts that it will be taken advantage of politically.
 

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This time I don't believe so... but I have zero doubts that it will be taken advantage of politically.

Oh, come on, now...this is the conspiracy forum. let loose a bit !!
 
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