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BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

The moral of the Hurricane Katrina story?
Socialism Kills those it claims to help. See article below.

I love the line that every time you have the government wanting to help people, just insert screw and you've got an accurate read of what will occur.

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
You really need to pay attention.


There was a plan, there were buses. Naggins failed on all levels.


You partisan hack, like others, base your feigned outrage on party, not reality.
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One good Rev. needs to be backed up by another.
 
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justabubba said:
you acknowledge that there was no identified destination to take them to but you still think having driverless buses was the answer to the problem
so, you get the fleeing residents on the buses and what then
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How about out of the city? Read the freaking plan. They had a plan, they failed in it's execution which created the FEMA mess...


Here you have a presdent who has not resonded for 36 days to Jindal's request and you make excuses for Obama?


Hypocrite much?
 
justabubba said:
yes, a mayor is supposed insist other cities and states agree to accept and provide for his poor citizens as they flee a storm
stunning that you would believe this is within a mayor's authority
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A mayor is SUPPOSED to have that ALL coordinated in advance. YES. Do you not understand ANYTHING about disaster preparedness?

You are a laugh riot. You are so typical it is pathetic. You are COMPLETELY devoid of the ability to say...yeah...you know what...the leaders of those communities MASSIVELY screwed the pooch.

Instead you cling to...it was all Bush's fault...and AFTER the mess...he should have swooped in and rescued everyone...like...HE should have had a plan...even though you have NO expectation of the DEMOCRATS (AH...so THAT explains it...) of actually having a plan...maybe having made a few phone calls to house folks in armories in the capital or other more northerly cities...college campus fieldhouses...etc...you know...like the Governor and mayors of coastal Mississippi towns did.
 
justabubba said:
yes, a mayor is supposed insist other cities and states agree to accept and provide for his poor citizens as they flee a storm
stunning that you would believe this is within a mayor's authority
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Houston? Atlanta? Anywhere but NO? If you were paying attention at the time, mayors weren't locking the gates their respective cities, but rolling out the red carpet.

 
justabubba said:
you acknowledge that there was no identified destination to take them to but you still think having driverless buses was the answer to the problem
so, you get the fleeing residents on the buses and what then
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You DO get that MOST of the residents of New orleans got out on their OWN...and made their OWN arrangements for those bug out locations.

This is just sad. I swear...sometimes I read comments on here from liberal minded posters and I SWEAR they are conservative trolls INTENTIONALLY looking stupid to smear other liberals. I hope thats the case with you.
 

so, your plan is to load fleeing residents on a bus and take them to nowhere
just out of the city
i hope you don't actually exercise such illogic in things that are important

you have jindal who is afraid - admittedly, a very republican trait - to do what he thinks needs to be done
but instead of doing that, he says he is willing to go to jail for doing the very thing he is so afraid to do

glad he's your kind of guy. continue to support that kind of politician so that one day my grandkids will ask me "what was a republican?"
 
justabubba said:
so, your plan is to load fleeing residents on a bus and take them to nowhere just out of the city i hope you don't actually exercise such illogic in things that are important
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It sure beats your "it's too hard to figger out what to do, you'll just have stay and suffer" plan.

After all, we should be more concerned about imposing on other communities in a time of crisis than the actual welfare of our citizens.
 

Heres how TRULY pathetic that situation was...since the residents were completely abandoned by the city leadership there was no one to say...wait...hold up...WTF...We are IN New Orleans. YOu, you and you...go to the hotels and sieze me 15 big ass sauce pots. You you and you...get those propane stoves at the superdome cranked up and lets get to boiling and sterilizing water. You 6...you go to the hotels and restaraunts and seize every bit of rice and seasoning you can find. You 10 folks...round me up all the meat and fresh veggies you can get your hand on. You...big mama...you get 15 of your friends and kick ass in that kitchen and you let ME know if anyone gets in your way.

Instead everyone wallered around like helpless infants.

Oh...but there were some disaster prep pamphlets sitting in cases somewhere...

You know what we call them? Firewood.
 
Taylor said:
It sure beats your "it's too hard to figger out what to do, you'll just have stay and suffer" plan.

After all, we should be more concerned about imposing on other communities in a time of crisis than the actual welfare of our citizens.
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it's not a matter of imposition on other communities. there was no destination
or where you and all of your friends going to put them up and feed and care for them until the hurricane damage had subsided
should have spoken up sooner - and louder
 
justabubba said:
so, your plan is to load fleeing residents on a bus and take them to nowhere
just out of the city
i hope you don't actually exercise such illogic in things that are important
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Meh, I'm not looking to the federalis for my hurricane evacuation plans. As one who has a house in long beach island. If I need evacuation assistance, I look to the local gov for guidance (if I needed it).


Nolo had a plan, with buses, and now as others have shown you, had destinations.... The Failure as usual is all yours.




you have jindal who is afraid - admittedly, a very republican trait - to do what he thinks needs to be done
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Funny, do you think you sound intelligent when you partisan hack make idiotic bloviations like this?



but instead of doing that, he says he is willing to go to jail for doing the very thing he is so afraid to do
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What, so he should circumvent federal law? I think threatening first is appropriate. :shrug:


glad he's your kind of guy. continue to support that kind of politician so that one day my grandkids will ask me to tell them what a republican was
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:lol: in a wold full of your political ilk... (psycho hack liberal). I'd feel sorry for your grandkids. :lamo
 
A few things. OP, you didn't post a link so I did a google search with a few of the key phrases your quoted and found the article:

BP Oil Spill: Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal Asks for More Help - ABC News


I do agree with this:
On ABC's "This Week" Sunday, Democratic operative Donna Brazile said, "One of the problems I have with the administration is that they're not tough enough."
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Yes, they have been complete whimps. They are relying on BP to clean it up, and trusting them too much to do the job, IMO. On a monitary scale, how does this work, though? If the government intervenes, does this mean taxpayers will have to foot the bill?

I also found the following interesting. What Bobby suggests doing will not help one iota in the immediate future:

 

Riiight. Bobby Jindal HAS a plan but resists it because of federal gov limitations and that makes him a weenie. But in YOUR eyes...Obama and his adminsitration sit on their thumbs and wiggle and THATS the 'right' thing to do.

and I laughed and laughed and laughed...
 





well by the way its all going, that oil will be around a lot longer than "9 months" and if you read around. the fire booms are still in short supply, with the fedgov snarking at jindal over them...


Its a sad disasterous situation, regardless of political lean.
 

WHo gives a ****...isnt that a question you answer AFTER you stop the leak and the spread? This has been going on for THIRTY SIX DAYS. And you think it MATTERS who is going to foot the bill? Step one...DAY one...stop the leak. Step two...seize BPs assets and sue the hell out of em...but first STOP THE OIL from spewing and spreading.
 
As a former resident of New Orleans, we ALWAYS had a hurricane plan and we used it many, many times when we evacuated of our own free will !! Nobody ever told us to leave, we just did. There are several routes out of the city, plenty of destinations, PICK ONE !!! If you choose to wait until someone tells you to leave, you're going to sit on the interstate for 14 hours like my brother did with Katrina.

People shouldn't wait for any government to tell them to do anything. Take that on yourself and do what you can to help others. I have a lot more faith in the human race than any government but then, I'm an optimist :2wave:
 
My biggest fear is that the oil will get into the waterworks and gum up the pumps. Then New Orleans is literally a sitting duck with no back-up plan should another hurricane hit. Katrina will seem like a walk in the park.......
 
justabubba said:
it's toady
rather than say he is willing to go to jail for doing the right thing
maybe he should instead just do the right thing
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I like it. You may think it's toady, I think it's a club to the head of Obi's ***** Footers Club. I also love this:

First the Feds tell AZ to go to hell on their immigration law, threatening not to enforce it. Cool... as I think we citizens should also be selective about the laws we live by. Taxation without representation seems to fit well here... no representation when it comes to illegals...

And now we have a Governor telling the Feds to go to hell if they can't get Obi off the crapper, into a pair of Depends and get him to work.

Ahhh... it gets really interesting when the Libs take over.
They bring us to the edge of the cliff, have us look over, and then a little sanity kicks in among the public.

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Even Carville thinks Obi is F-ing it up.
I'd love to have heard his digs if this was Bush.
Hell, the entire show would have been a stutter.


What "Plan-B"?
They don't have a Plan-A after a month, how can they go directly to Plan-B?

If Plan-A was sending a gaggle of lawyers and sitting back, well... OK... Plan-A... send Lawyers and sit back.

Plan-B? Any guesses?... C'mon... it's easy....
Blame Bush.

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Middleground said:
BP Oil Spill: Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal Asks for More Help - ABC News

I do agree with this:

Yes, they have been complete whimps.
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I also agree. Probably my biggest complaint about Obama is that he doesn't jump up and kick a few asses around the room every now and then. Of course, kicking asses at this point isn't going to stop the oil from flowing. I'm willing to wait till the time is right.

Middleground said:
They are relying on BP to clean it up, and trusting them too much to do the job, IMO.
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I'd argue this. We are NOT "relying" on BP to clean it up - we're (the government) doing plenty on that front. At last count, there were 16 federal agencies/organizations currently working around the clock:


In addition, after oil spills, the responsible party (in this case BP) is legally required to fund and organize the cleanup under the auspices of the U.S. Coast Guard. So, the Coast Guard is in charge and overseeing the response, in which BP is participating.

And we have to recognize that no matter how much time, material, and money we throw at the cleanup, the simple fact is that the government doesn't have the experience, knowledge, or the equipment needed to deal with stopping the leak. We must depend on BP's deep sea drilling "expertise" - such as it is. Other deep sea drilling companies around the world have been contacted and they're just as unsure of the fix as BP. Top scientists, geophysicists and engineers from Sandia, Los Alamos, and Livermore Labs are in on this, reviewing every plan on the table, validating those that have possibilities and providing additional expertise and input on new tactics.

The bottom line remains: the government can't stop the leak. It can only offer assistance and oversight.

Middleground said:
On a monitary scale, how does this work, though? If the government intervenes, does this mean taxpayers will have to foot the bill?
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I don't think so. BP will have to pay that bill... eventually. But honestly, the magnitude of this disaster is so large I'm beginning to doubt BP has enough money to put this to rights. In which case, it's you and me, baby.

Middleground said:
I also found the following interesting. What Bobby suggests doing will not help one iota in the immediate future:
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Not surprised. Jindal is playing politics with this issue, and not very well. :roll:

Finally, here's an interesting tidbit I learned about last night...

 
zimmer said:
What "Plan-B"?
They don't have a Plan-A after a month, how can they go directly to Plan-B?
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The White House didn't cause this disaster. You should be pointing fingers at BP demanding to know what THEIR Plan B was. :roll:
 
Glinda said:
The White House didn't cause this disaster. You should be pointing fingers at BP demanding to know what THEIR Plan B was. :roll:
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Sheeeeet, the government didn't even have thier plan "A" in place.



the white house didn't cause hurricanes either, that didn't stop some of you a few years ago. :lamo
 

This has pretty much turned into a craptastic situation with no "good" outcomes. I really don't think anything that the administration could have done could have made this situation one bit better.

Also, the article clearly says that they are reviewing the request. Sometimes before you institute a plan you have to see if it will actually help anything or if it will do no good and those resources could be better spent elsewhere. To criticize the administration for simply evaluating a request is stupid.

With that said, they haven't done a good job with this. I wasn't critical at first, because most people seemed to be only worried about how fast they could compare it to Katrina and pass blame around for it. To do that only a day or two after a disaster, to try to pass blame onto someone that couldn't have prevented it in any way still seems silly to me. It seemed like they were fairly on the ball and were doing everything possible, which wasn't much at the time, and which they might still be doing, but it's clear they aren't making this their number 1 priority when it should be and they should be pushing BP harder. In the end, maybe BP is doing everything possible, maybe there really isn't a "good" way to stop this oil leak. I'm sure we'll find out with more time. I understand Obama's administration has plenty of stuff to handle,, and I'm sure their monitoring everything closely, but their attitude towards this isn't acceptable. With that said, I still think the Katrina comparison is still no where near applicable.
 

Obi loves to kick ass and dictate, where ya been?
If it's a republican, hell... the guy opens both barrels... the uniter.
In this vein he is just like The Clitons.

Jindal playing politics?
Let's see... his state is getting smacked, Obi is marooned in the crapper sans toilet paper and Depends... and Jindal wants to know WTF is up.

Then Jindal sets out some demands to try and bring this to a halt and if the Feds don't comply he will do so by breaking the law.

1. It makes Obama look incompetent... which he is.
2. It forces the spotlight on Obi and his crew.
3. It gives Jindal cover nationwide if he tells the Feds to go to hell.

That is brilliance, and of Obama's own making... due to?
Sheer Unadulterated Incompetence.

Obi's had a month.
Just think if Bush sat around for a month... went campaigning, on holiday golfing... There would be enough energy generated from the Leftist Freaks alone to shoot a rocket to the moon.
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Sheeeeet, the government didn't even have thier [sic] plan "A" in place.
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When the United States government nationalizes all American oil drilling and it has a blowout like this, you can bitch about "the government's Plan A/B." Until then, BP carries the burden of responsibility in drilling with all necessary safety precautions in place and functioning. They failed in that responsibility. They are entirely at fault for this spill.
 

The government has a role in national emergencies. Period.

Ugh... Doh... even Pit Bull Carville came out and lambasted this Ship of Tools for their inaction. He being a LA boy probably has a few friends bending his ear wondering what he knows about Obi's plans, and when TF they're going to get their asses in gear.

For Obama his role has been:

1. Go golfing.
2. Go on the campaign trail and smack republicans.
3. Send lawyers and SWAT team members from the Enviromaniac Dept.

Atta boy.

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