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Boy Scouts: Duty to GOD and my country

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Boy Scouts of America, an organization founded on the basis of morals and doing what is right, can just forget about the third line of the scout oath, "...to do my duty to God and my country..." Starting in 2014, gays are going to be allowed in scouting despite the fact that homosexuality is an abomination towards God. "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." - Leviticus 18:22. BSA's decision to allow gays prompted the Southern Baptist convention to pull support from Boy Scout Troops along with other denominations. 70% of Boy Scout troops are chartered by churches which means the new gay policy will have a great effect on Boy Scouts. "I am very sad to say that it seems as though (Boy Scouts) are moving away from the principles they were founded upon," Wes Taylor, pastor at Tabernacle Baptist Church in Newport News, Virginia. BSA's decision will prove to be a great stepping stone in the destruction of morals and Christian values.
 

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The Boy Scout oath says "do Myduty to God and My country", emphasis on the my part. What specific God that is depends on the faith of the Scout. This is evident by the existence of Muslim, Hindu, Ect.
 

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The BSA is done, stick a fork in them. They blinked. So their motto dont mean crap.
What about courage? The courage to stand by your convictions. They failed at that.
 

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The Boy Scout oath says "do Myduty to God and My country", emphasis on the my part. What specific God that is depends on the faith of the Scout. This is evident by the existence of Muslim, Hindu, Ect.

That was not the original meaning if I'm not mistaken.
 

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the scout organisation was also formed by an eccentric who read mein kempf and though Hitler had some pretty good ideas.
 

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That was not the original meaning if I'm not mistaken.

You are mistaken. The Boy Scouts were not founded as an extension of conservative Christianity. While Baden-Powell knew what God HE meant, he specifically didn't found it with an emphasis on faith in Jesus.
 

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the scout organisation was also formed by an eccentric who read mein kempf and though Hitler had some pretty good ideas.

I haven't seen where he was an admirer of Hitler. The man died in 1941 and lived the end of his life in Kenya.
 

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Boy Scouts of America, an organization founded on the basis of morals and doing what is right, can just forget about the third line of the scout oath, "...to do my duty to God and my country..." Starting in 2014, gays are going to be allowed in scouting despite the fact that homosexuality is an abomination towards God. "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." - Leviticus 18:22. BSA's decision to allow gays prompted the Southern Baptist convention to pull support from Boy Scout Troops along with other denominations. 70% of Boy Scout troops are chartered by churches which means the new gay policy will have a great effect on Boy Scouts. "I am very sad to say that it seems as though (Boy Scouts) are moving away from the principles they were founded upon," Wes Taylor, pastor at Tabernacle Baptist Church in Newport News, Virginia. BSA's decision will prove to be a great stepping stone in the destruction of morals and Christian values.

Oh goodie... another homophobic joins DP and opens first post with ignorance and hatred.

Nice.

I fully applaud the Boy Scouts for being BRAVE enough, and COURAGEOUS enough to accept any and all kids who want to join scouting.
Good on them for not being homophobic morons who are merely frightened over tilting windmills.
 

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Boy Scouts of America, an organization founded on the basis of morals and doing what is right, can just forget about the third line of the scout oath, "...to do my duty to God and my country..." Starting in 2014, gays are going to be allowed in scouting despite the fact that homosexuality is an abomination towards God...BSA's decision will prove to be a great stepping stone in the destruction of morals and Christian values.
For a supposedly benevolent and loving God, he sure does hate an awful lot of the world's people.
 

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Is this where we get to quote just our favorite parts of the Bible and pretend the rest doesn't exist? I love this game!!!


[h=3]Leviticus 19: 19-37

19 “‘Keep my decrees.

“‘Do not mate different kinds of animals.

“‘Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.

“‘Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.

20 “‘If a man sleeps with a female slave who is promised to another man but who has not been ransomed or given her freedom, there must be due punishment.[a] Yet they are not to be put to death, because she had not been freed. 21 The man, however, must bring a ram to the entrance to the tent of meeting for a guilt offering to the Lord. 22 With the ram of the guilt offering the priest is to make atonement for him before the Lord for the sin he has committed, and his sin will be forgiven.

23 “‘When you enter the land and plant any kind of fruit tree, regard its fruit as forbidden. For three years you are to consider it forbidden[c]; it must not be eaten. 24 In the fourth year all its fruit will be holy, an offering of praise to the Lord. 25 But in the fifth year you may eat its fruit. In this way your harvest will be increased. I am the Lord your God.

26 “‘Do not eat any meat with the blood still in it.

“‘Do not practice divination or seek omens.

27 “‘Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.

28 “‘Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the Lord.

29 “‘Do not degrade your daughter by making her a prostitute, or the land will turn to prostitution and be filled with wickedness.

30 “‘Observe my Sabbaths and have reverence for my sanctuary. I am the Lord.

31 “‘Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God.

32 “‘Stand up in the presence of the aged, show respect for the elderly and revere your God. I am the Lord.

33 “‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.

35 “‘Do not use dishonest standards when measuring length, weight or quantity. 36 Use honest scales and honest weights, an honest ephah[d] and an honest hin.[e] I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt.

37 “‘Keep all my decrees and all my laws and follow them. I am the Lord.’”


Alright all you two-seed-planting, two-cloth-wearing, slave-owning, fruit-eating, rare-meat-eating, fortune-seeking, hair-cutting, tattoo-wearing, foreigner-hating, mother ****ers you're all going to hell.

Everyone else is cool though because I only read selective passages when the mood suits me.[/h]
 
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Boy Scouts of America, an organization founded on the basis of morals and doing what is right, can just forget about the third line of the scout oath, "...to do my duty to God and my country..." Starting in 2014, gays are going to be allowed in scouting despite the fact that homosexuality is an abomination towards God. "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." - Leviticus 18:22. BSA's decision to allow gays prompted the Southern Baptist convention to pull support from Boy Scout Troops along with other denominations. 70% of Boy Scout troops are chartered by churches which means the new gay policy will have a great effect on Boy Scouts. "I am very sad to say that it seems as though (Boy Scouts) are moving away from the principles they were founded upon," Wes Taylor, pastor at Tabernacle Baptist Church in Newport News, Virginia. BSA's decision will prove to be a great stepping stone in the destruction of morals and Christian values.

Not true Shiva never said being gay is wrong. So God is fine with gays.
 
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The BSA is done, stick a fork in them. They blinked. So their motto dont mean crap.
What about courage? The courage to stand by your convictions. They failed at that.

They had courage to stand up to bigots.
 

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Lord Baden Powell invited to meet Hitler, MI5 files show - Telegraph

interesting little article to read.

Actual quote from the man

“Lay up all day. Read Mein Kampf.

"A wonderful book, with good ideas on education, health, propaganda, organisation etc.”

Tim Jeal, who wrote the biography Baden-Powell, argued that Baden-Powell's distrust of communism led to his implicit support, through naïveté, of fascism. In 1939 Baden-Powell noted in his diary: "Lay up all day. Read Mein Kampf. A wonderful book, with good ideas on education, health, propaganda, organisation etc. – and ideals which Hitler does not practise himself."[7]:550 Baden-Powell admired Benito Mussolini early in the Italian fascist leader's career.

Robert Baden-Powell, 1st Baron Baden-Powell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Some very early Scouting "Thanks" badges had a swastika symbol on them.[45] According to biographer Michael Rosenthal, Baden-Powell used the swastika because he was a Nazi sympathiser. Jeal, however, argues that Baden-Powell was ignorant of the symbol's growing association with Nazism and that he used the symbol for its centuries-old meaning of "good luck" in India. Also, Baden-Powell was named by the Nazis in "The Black Book" of people to be arrested during the conquest of Great Britain. Scouting was regarded as a dangerous spy organisation by the Nazis.[46] Finally, when Nazi use of the swastika became well-known, the Scouts stopped using it.
The numbers represent references that you may look up. I noticed you left out a key part of the quote. Unintentional no doubt. :roll:
 

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The numbers represent references that you may look up. I noticed you left out a key part of the quote. Unintentional no doubt. :roll:

yeh it was since it wasn't in the source I was quoting. Still though he was far to close to the fascists for my liking and that of many other people which is why he is a controversial figure in the UK. Not surprising when you look at the fact he started movement which teaches survival skills and they wear matching uniforms.
 

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Boy Scouts of America, an organization founded on the basis of morals and doing what is right, can just forget about the third line of the scout oath, "...to do my duty to God and my country..." Starting in 2014, gays are going to be allowed in scouting despite the fact that homosexuality is an abomination towards God. "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." - Leviticus 18:22. BSA's decision to allow gays prompted the Southern Baptist convention to pull support from Boy Scout Troops along with other denominations. 70% of Boy Scout troops are chartered by churches which means the new gay policy will have a great effect on Boy Scouts. "I am very sad to say that it seems as though (Boy Scouts) are moving away from the principles they were founded upon," Wes Taylor, pastor at Tabernacle Baptist Church in Newport News, Virginia. BSA's decision will prove to be a great stepping stone in the destruction of morals and Christian values.

Ya know, with gay marriage and marijuana legalization going on it got me to thinking. Isn't there something in the bible that phrases it like this, "if man lays with man he shall be stoned."? Maybe we've just misinterpreting it's meaning all these years :(
 

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The Boy Scouts seems like a pretty good organization to me.

Its a topic where the incessant political correctness lamenting on one side and Bible beating on the other has worn thin. The Boy Scouts aren't suppose to be about whether it is on FOX's side or MSNBC's side.
 

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Oh goodie... another homophobic joins DP and opens first post with ignorance and hatred.

Nice.

I fully applaud the Boy Scouts for being BRAVE enough, and COURAGEOUS enough to accept any and all kids who want to join scouting.
Good on them for not being homophobic morons who are merely frightened over tilting windmills.
No, they caved. Pure and simple.
I would also bet that the BSA will not last to the end of the decade.
 

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That was not the original meaning if I'm not mistaken.

Firstly, I want to say that this rant I'm about to jump off into, is not directed to you personally in anyway. I haven't read all the posts in the thread, and only made it to your post and thought it may be a good place begin, because your statement above is not demostrative all or nothing statement and you seem like a person that I may be able talk to.

From a 29 year veteran of the BSA, 16 as a youth, and 13 as an adult leader, Cub Master and Scout Master...

This is exactly what it means. The BSA does not profess any one religious view or idiology. All they require is that you believe in God of any faith, and do YOUR duty to that God. Either God of the Abraham religions (Jew, Christian, Muslim), or Buddha, or any other God you believe in.

As a Christian, and a BSA leader and a wounded Veteran of the military, what is hurting this country are two things in a nut shell, and it ain't the BSA... Its those that deny the possibility a higher being, and those that say that THEIR God is THE ONLY GOD and tell me that if I don't agree with them and don't quote scripture to back up my disagreement with their position, then I am less than thye are and anything I believe is killing this country, or the BSA, or anything else we disagree on.

I have a lot of those folks in my own church. It makes me sad. Truly sad.

I prefer to "love thy neighbor as yourself." And that's Mark 12:31 for those that like statistics and other numbers.

I've had parents and boys that were gay in my Troop. Have no idea if any kids were in Cub Scouts, but when a boy gets to the age of 14 to 16, they have a pretty good idea. Those kids, and even the parent that I knew about, were some of the most dedicated Scouts in our Troop. They showed up to everything.Those kids made GREAT youth leaders, and all made Eagle Scout. No one asked what their sexual preference was, even though the Eagle Board knew, and I am damned proud of those kids for working so hard, and growing into responsible, loyal leaders of our community. One is an attorney, one is a doctor, and one owns a florist (I know / don't say it).

I have no problem with anyone that dislikes anyone else. We all have the right in this country to form our own opinions and think as we wish. I do have a problem when another person is either hurt, denied the same rights as me, or especially denied the ability to learn about God by being shunned by the Church.

Hate the Sin and Not the Sinner. How can they do one without the other? I really don't understand it. From my reading of the Bible, there are many other Abominations and Sins in Leviticus and other books of the Bible that are basically ignored.

The Bible was the same book used to justify slavery for centuries. Yup, slavery, according to the Bible, is A Okay.

Here ends the Rant.

I would like to close by apologizing to you for having to read this, and thank you for doing so.
 

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I haven't seen where he was an admirer of Hitler. The man died in 1941 and lived the end of his life in Kenya.

Mein Kempf was written well before 1941 and Hitler's power was on display in Germany starting in 1933 so it is very likely.
 

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They had courage to stand up to bigots.

Me, my wife and both of my Eagle Scout sons replied to the email survey about this. We responded without talking to each other, and unlike the way we vote at the polls on election day, we all answered the survey almost exactly the same. We were amazed, but very happy with the outcome.

The BSA has been losing membership for years, decades, and its because of policies like this one that they finally got back to reason they exist. To train and raise young boys to become self reliant young men with leadership skills that will give them the tools they need to be a productive citizen.
 

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the scout organisation was also formed by an eccentric who read mein kempf and though Hitler had some pretty good ideas.

Okay... that one made me horse laugh. Thank you for putting that pearl of wisdom out there for us all to enjoy.
 

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Mein Kempf was written well before 1941 and Hitler's power was on display in Germany starting in 1933 so it is very likely.

Lord Baden Powell's interaction with Hitler that people like Christopher Hitchens liked to jump on to attack Scouting, was before the world, and especially Lord Powell knew what Hitler was. In the early years, Hitler was seen by many as a miracle worker to take the war torn and destroyed country, Germany, and bring it back as an economic powerhouse. Later, it became obvious what Hitler was. Lord Powell was not a Hitler lover, a Fascist, or a Socialist. The basic foundations of Scouting are diametrically apposed to both Fascism and Socialism.
 
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