[Both Sides] Attempts to Legitimize Palestinian Demands before Peace
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Since a time before the Pope's plans to recognize the "State of Palestine" (May 2015), much on the question of the international recognition has quieted. These issues of the Middle East (Israeli-Palestine) are gradually slipping into a stasis like condition. While it is true that French President Emmanuel Macron is calling for a resumption of talks to formalize the borders and the two-state solution. However the Israelis hold the view that the Palestinians still do not recognize a "Jewish State" [as outlined in UN Resolution 181 (II) - Part II - Section B (The Jewish State) A/RES/181(II) 29 November 1947] and the matter of defensible borders (and the US Joint Chiefs agree: JCSM–373–67).
But I also would point-out the the King of Jordan, who had sovereignty over the West Bank since April 1950 (Unification of the Two Banks), "on July 31 (1988) King Hussein announced the severance of all administrative and legal ties with the occupied West Bank (Disengagement from the West Bank)." This decision, "to cut all ties," place the territory in the hands of the Israelis; having had effective control since the 1967 war. The understanding that under International Law " (i) the territory subject to claim must not be under the sovereignty of nay state (terra nullius) (ii) the state must have effectively occupied the territory." In the case of the West Bank, the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan had formally and voluntarily abandoned prior sovereign has expressly and implicitly relinquished sovereignty.
• IF the Oslo Accords are dissolved, THEN does the entirety of the West Bank fall to Israel?
• Is the legitimacy of the Palestinian Authority (PA) in question since it was a creation of the Oslo Accords?
Most Respectfully,
R
In my view Israel absolutely has the best claim on the territory of any state, both because of history (the territory was put into a mandate by the League of Nations and the British were given the mandatory for the purpose of facilitating the creation of a Jewish national home in the territory and prohibited from splitting some of it off to form new countries) and because of the points you observe above.
Having said that, I also think the Palestinians have a right to self determination on some of those territories. Once the Palestinians abandon their objective of destroying Israel and establish that their independence will not pose a massive security threat to the Israelis, they would be entitled to a portion of the WB to form their own state. That portion need have no relationship at all with the armistice lines established between Israel and Egypt following the War of Independence but should allow for the Palestinians to be able to have a workable state. IMO they should not be given Jerusalem given the centrality of Jerusalem to the Jews and the history of the Jews allowing access to people of all faiths while the Jordanians and the various Muslims who preceded them were vastly illiberal in terms of providing access rights to minority groups and preserving cultural heritage.
(COMMENT)what do you count as Jerusalem? Shuafat is Jerusalem?
what do you count as Jerusalem? Shoafat is Jerusalem?
what about Atarot industrial zone which is closer to the Mukataa in Ramallah than the old city?Dunno. Old city and places where Jews live and places necessary to keep those places safe?
you do realise Israel is a artificial state ... up until 80 years ago their were a couple hundred jews in what is now Israel ... Israel was created by British Empire at American request and the indigenous arabs were forced from their land it is still happening today where Israel is confiscating Palestinian land to build illegal settlements ... if Israel truly wants peace those illegal settlements must go ... does Israel deserve to exist ... treating the indigenous people of Israel like the jews were treated by the nazis in Warsaw is double standards by Israel they no longer have the moral highground .. Palestinians are living as 3rd class citizens on their own homeland and forced to live in ghettos .... Israel is undefendable
Jews were about 10% of the population during the Ottman empire rule, and they were a vast majority in Jerusalem, they were several 10 thousands of residents, and not several hundreds.
are you denying Israel is a artificial state a yes or no will suffice and another question for you are you denying Israel are acting like Nazis by putting Palestinians in ghettos like the Nazis did with the jews in Warsaw
are you denying Israel is a artificial state a yes or no will suffice and another question for you are you denying Israel are acting like Nazis by putting Palestinians in ghettos like the Nazis did with the jews in Warsaw
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