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Boeing, Exxon, Apple join Western firms spurning "russia" over Ukraine. 'He has no idea what's coming': Biden sends message to Putin

Like all those lies about stolen elections, replacements for Obamacare, new "clean coal" mines and new jobs for destitute miners?
How is like reporters lying and winning Pulitzers?
 
Your weak brainpower caused this ^^^...
It's cool. Even most people who are liberal are shaking their heads saying. "Ohhhh sheeeiiit! We really screwed up in electing this fool"
 
Are you suggesting that opposing Russian aggression against Ukraine isn't in these corporations' best long term financial interests?
Yes. Biden is still buying oil from Russia, as are most European nations, and that makes evil capitalist corporations such as BP, Shell and Exxon that have partnered with Russian entities money. Apple, another evil capitalist corporation, seems to have cut off payment processing in Russia. That costs Apple money. FIFA and UEFA might be the two organizations that hit home the hardest for Russians as now they only get to play with themselves!
 
Yes. Biden is still buying oil from Russia, as are most European nations, and that makes evil capitalist corporations such as BP, Shell and Exxon that have partnered with Russian entities money. Apple, another evil capitalist corporation, seems to have cut off payment processing in Russia. That costs Apple money. FIFA and UEFA might be the two organizations that hit home the hardest for Russians as now they only get to play with themselves!
So the question naturally arises - what do these corporations fear to lose more than the immediate short term profits they'd have remaining in bed with Russia?
 
So the question naturally arises - what do these corporations fear to lose more than the immediate short term profits they'd have remaining in bed with Russia?
What do you mean"short term profits"? The oil companies were looking at long term contracts and Apple was looking at an expanding market.
 
I saw that on the news last night. I doubt that the average Russian soldier has the stomach for war-especially against the stiff resistance which they were not expecting.
Pentagon official says Russian troops have 'deliberately punched holes' in their own gas tanks 'presumably' to avoid combat as morale declines: report

Some Russian troops have "deliberately punched holes in their vehicles' gas tanks" as morale among the Russians declines
, a senior US official said.

The troops appear to be self-sabotaging in order to avoid combat, the unnamed senior Pentagon official said, per The New York Times. The official added that many of the Russian troops are young and inexperienced in combat, and they are facing dwindling food and fuel resources.

Tuesday marks day six of Russian President Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine, prompting protests across the world, including in Russia. Explosions have rocked the Ukrainian capital of Kyiv, as well as Ukraine's second-biggest city, Kharkiv, since Russia invaded the region.

As morale drops, some of the Russian troops have surrendered to Ukrainian forces "without a fight," a US senior defense official told reporters in a briefing on Tuesday.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ort/ar-AAUu2sH
 
What do you mean"short term profits"? The oil companies were looking at long term contracts and Apple was looking at an expanding market.
Do you believe their withdrawal from Russia is permanent?
 
Do you believe their withdrawal from Russia is permanent?
I believe their withdrawal depends on how Russia conducts itself. The oil companies are probably out of Russia for the long term but the idea here isn't to punish the Russian people, it's to punish Putin.
 
I've been following politics and posting for little over 20 years, and its all the same shit. Abortion, gays, guns, taxes, war mongering. They just get more and more dumb, more and more despicable.

Now they don't even have a shred of credibility, and they are pretty much taking down all republicans who sit by and allow the crazies to run the show, then pretend they are outraged while they continue to vote for these scumbags.

In those 20 years, there has been nothing but worship the rich and fear mongering from republicans. They never had any class, never did a damn thing for anybody

It wasn’t as bad as this in 1964. People saw the John Birchers as the kooks that they were.

Now they’re driving (not running, these people seldom run any thing other than false flag political operations and fundraising scams.

Trump’s devotees don’t mind being conned, either.
 
Do you believe their withdrawal from Russia is permanent?

I have no idea.

The Russians seldom honored their commitments to BP or Shell.

They usually contrived to nationalize the foreign assets once the work was done. Nationalize, in the sense that the assets and investments were stolen, and handed over to one or more of Putin’s oligarch vassels.

When Shell abandoned it’s major investment in Russian oil in 2007-8, it was Rex Tillerson, the chairman of Exxon who stepped in to keep the Russian oil flowing and continue updating their infrastructure.

When Trump nominated Tillerson to be Secretary of State, it was about as clear a message to the Kremlin as Trump could send.

It is possible that the western companies could eventually drift back into Russian oil.

But I think it’s more likely that it will be the Chinese who go next. I doubt that they will have any more luck with Russian duplicity than the American and British companies did.

But they are better prepared for it.
 
I believe their withdrawal depends on how Russia conducts itself. The oil companies are probably out of Russia for the long term but the idea here isn't to punish the Russian people, it's to punish Putin.

That may be the idea, but it seems unlikely that one can truly punish Putin without punishing a large number of the Russian public. The only way to get rid of Putin is pressure from the public, which in turns puts pressure on the Duma and Putin's party members. It's true that he has a huge core of older followers, "alt-right" types of super nationalists, who are still imprinted with the great empire vanity of the Soviet Era who say stuff like "It's about time we get those Nazis" and believe all the crap spewed from Putin's mouth.

So the target has to be those people who are younger, college educated, cosmopolitan. The middle and professional classes that send their kids to college in the west, that travel to the west for vacations, who aren't the inbred fascists of the Soviet era. When the oligarchs hurt AND the middle classes hurt, they will increase their pressure.
 
How is like reporters lying and winning Pulitzers?

Not only did that make no sense whatsoever, it’s not even a complete sentence. Nor does it have anything to do with the topic at hand.
 
That may be the idea, but it seems unlikely that one can truly punish Putin without punishing a large number of the Russian public. The only way to get rid of Putin is pressure from the public, which in turns puts pressure on the Duma and Putin's party members. It's true that he has a huge core of older followers, "alt-right" types of super nationalists, who are still imprinted with the great empire vanity of the Soviet Era who say stuff like "It's about time we get those Nazis" and believe all the crap spewed from Putin's mouth.

So the target has to be those people who are younger, college educated, cosmopolitan. The middle and professional classes that send their kids to college in the west, that travel to the west for vacations, who aren't the inbred fascists of the Soviet era. When the oligarchs hurt AND the middle classes hurt, they will increase their pressure.
Of course the Russian people are going to feel the impact but for them that should only happen as long as Putin is in charge. As soon as Russia gets rid of that lunatic and makes a whole hearted effort to get back in the good graces of the world we can start helping the Russian people again.
 
Not only did that make no sense whatsoever, it’s not even a complete sentence. Nor does it have anything to do with the topic at hand.
How is THIS (what the poster posted)
.......like reporters lying about Russian collusion and winning Pulitzers
 
How is THIS (what the poster posted)
.......like reporters lying about Russian collusion and winning Pulitzers
In a true Democratic society "truth" is whatever the majority say it is. If 50%+1 say that we have always been at war with Eastasia then not only have we always been at war but anyone that disagrees with that truth is committing treason.
 
I believe their withdrawal depends on how Russia conducts itself. The oil companies are probably out of Russia for the long term but the idea here isn't to punish the Russian people, it's to punish Putin.
A couple of disclaimers here:

1) Putin is a tyrannical **** weasel, and any resistance he encounters to his immoral invasion of Ukraine is a good thing. I applaud anyone and anything for making it more difficult for him, including corporations.
2) Corporations are neither moral nor immoral. They are amoral, and their raison d'etre is twofold - to perpetuate their existence, and to look out for the vested interests of their shareholders. No decision is made without those priorities in mind.

That said - Did these corporations you laud for altruism withdraw their investments in Russia when it invaded Crimea? When it was steamrolling Chechnya? If they did, did they return after a period of time? We already know the answer to this - of course they did. And they will return after this conflict is over - the potential for profit is simply too significant to pass over for any altruistic motives.

I am fully appreciative of these corporations doing their part to put the squeeze on Putin, but to suggest they are doing so in direct conflict with their financial interests because they are willing to sacrifice profit for morality is the height of naviete. Right now any corporation pulling out of Russia has the long game in mind - taking a short term hit for the sake of investing in public relations, which is critically important to long term investment and brand recognition.
 
I saw that on the news last night. I doubt that the average Russian soldier has the stomach for war-especially against the stiff resistance which they were not expecting.

enormous lines had begun to form at Russian automatic teller machines with many running dry, and reports had begun to emerge of Russians swarming luxury retailers to swap their rubles for anything that might retain its value.

These were the beginnings of what is sure to be the most significant financial crisis in Russia since the 1998 Russian financial crisis which brought it to its knees.

So damaged was the Russian economy following that event that the Russian government would eventually ask the International Monetary Fund for food aid.

 
The Italian media reported that the yachts of #Russian oligarchs Alexei Mordashev and Gennady Timchenko were confiscated.

 

'He has no idea what's coming': Biden sends message to Putin​


NO FLY FOR MOSCOW ) BY all means, Moscow empire returns to 19c with or help . Pootler will be killed like the last czar was killed

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