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Bloomberg and Fox Polls Say Don't Raise Ceiling Without Spending Cuts

davidtaylorjr said:
Means the Democrats need to start compromising.
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I disagree. Polls mean nothing. Politicians use the ones that support them, and ignore the ones that dont. Most of the country could care less about whats going on until it directly affects them.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Means the Democrats need to start compromising.
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I'm not a Democrat, but I'll compromise with you.

I'll delay the start of Obamacare for 3 months, if you agree to legislation which pushes up taxes on those making $250,000 and above 8%, legislation which installs a national firearm registry and background checks, further legislation which protects a woman's right to choose up to 30 weeks of a pregnancy and eliminate the death penalty.

If you do not agree to all of my conditions, then it is clear you are simply not interested in negotiating and I will let the United States default on its debt. Do you agree to my demands...err, I mean, my offer?
 
Slyfox696 said:
I'm not a Democrat, but I'll compromise with you.

I'll delay the start of Obamacare for 3 months, if you agree to legislation which pushes up taxes on those making $250,000 and above 8%, legislation which installs a national firearm registry and background checks, further legislation which protects a woman's right to choose up to 30 weeks of a pregnancy and eliminate the death penalty.

If you do not agree to all of my conditions, then it is clear you are simply not interested in negotiating and I will let the United States default on its debt. Do you agree to my demands...err, I mean, my offer?
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No, but the fact that youre willing to offer something and start somewhere is much more than Democrats have done. Offering something and then threatening to walk away means the threats are empty.
 
Slyfox696 said:
I'm not a Democrat, but I'll compromise with you.

I'll delay the start of Obamacare for 3 months, if you agree to legislation which pushes up taxes on those making $250,000 and above 8%, legislation which installs a national firearm registry and background checks, further legislation which protects a woman's right to choose up to 30 weeks of a pregnancy and eliminate the death penalty.

If you do not agree to all of my conditions, then it is clear you are simply not interested in negotiating and I will let the United States default on its debt. Do you agree to my demands...err, I mean, my offer?
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I see what you did there.... :roll:
 
Yeah, until you ask people what spending cuts they actually want to implement and nobody can agree on cutting anything except foreign aid.
 
jonny5 said:
No
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Then you are just being unreasonable and are clearly representing the "party of no". This is your shutdown, jonny.

davidtaylorjr said:
I see what you did there.... :roll:
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Good, because it wasn't exactly a subtle point I was making. :)

StillBallin75 said:
Yeah, until you ask people what spending cuts they actually want to implement and nobody can agree on cutting anything except foreign aid.
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I think at this point just about everyone would support cutting the salaries of Congress...
 
StillBallin75 said:
Yeah, until you ask people what spending cuts they actually want to implement and nobody can agree on cutting anything except foreign aid.
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that is where political leadership comes into play. But how that speaks against the results of the polls, I don't have a clue.
 
Slyfox696 said:
Then you are just being unreasonable and are clearly representing the "party of no". This is your shutdown, jonny.
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Well, either side could end it by completely caving into the demands of the other party. But we both know that isn't how negotiations work, nor the legislative sausage making that comprises parliamentarian politics.

But people like to ignore those things when such tactics have a negative impact on their political interests. It's like the fillibuster or the appointment process. The majority, regardless if it's republican or democrat always despise it's effects, yet they never actually change anything about either because they now it's a valuable tool to the minority (who they will likely be a member of, at some point in time.

PS and nope, I think the republican demands are stupid. it's just clear they and their constituents disagree with me (which is their right and imperative to promote)
 
Somerville said:
and cutting foreign aid only because they think it is vastly greater than it actually is.
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while it isn't comparable to military spending or entitlements, it still is a very large amount of money that is hardly guaranteed to be managed competently, and could likely use an overhaul
 
Wiseone said:
Calling cutting foreign aid a good start to debt reduction is like calling a single step a good start to a marathon.
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Why? It's an area likely to meet little resistance and have minimal direct impact over the average citizen
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
Why? It's an area likely to meet little resistance and have minimal direct impact over the average citizen
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Not to mention minimal direct impact on the overall budget situation. Foreign aid may seem large in absolute dollar amounts but it is minuscule compared to the budget as a whole. So you can cut it. But it's not really going to achieve anything substantial.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
Why? It's an area likely to meet little resistance and have minimal direct impact over the average citizen
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davidtaylorjr said:
Let me rephrase that then, it would be a start.
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US foreign aid is roughly 50 billion dollars last year, US debt is roughly 17 trillion dollars and last year's (meaning fiscal year 13) budget deficit was 900 billion dollars. That means that even if you eliminated all foreign aid you would have reduced the FY13 deficit by 5% and the over all debt by .2%. Of course total elimination of foreign aid would include many projects in places like Afghanistan which are critical for mission accomplishment, USAID has a big presence over here, so you might as well just say we won't accomplish our mission over here.

In the FY13 budget roughly 2/3s went to three things, the Department of Defense, the Department of Health and Human Services (incl medicare and medicaid), and the Social Security administration.

2013 United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you want to reduce the deficit and the debt start with those monsters right there.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Means the Democrats need to start compromising.
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Right, Paul Ryan is a RINO and a big spender. We need to REALLY cut things, Ryan's budget was a big spending joke.

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Jerry said:
The debt ceiling should be lowered.
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Says a man who completely doesn't understand what's being talked about.

Default? Great, I didn't like the economy anyway! Let's torpedo what little growth we have!
 
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