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BLM is not a civil-right organization.

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A plurality of Americans just want to drive to a job and back without blocked roads, enjoy a pizza without being beaten into giving Nazi... umm, sorry, BLM Salute, and have a non-looted store to purchase nice things.

It is a Minority of "Designated Minorities" who are keeping Racism going.

Racism is not dead, but it is on life support—kept alive by politicians, race hustlers, and people who get a sense of superiority by denouncing others as “racists,”
-Thomas Sowell

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Al 3 founders of BLM are Marxists. Trump isn't a fascist...…. unless you want to use Antifa's definition of fascism which includes capitalism.
Really?
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He sure does put a lot of checks in the boxes.
 

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Apparently we outside of Trumplandia are required to be held accountable for everything violent that has anything to do with BLM* but Trumpers get a free pass when asked to be held accountable to the NRA's support for mass shootings.

*Up to and including: (A) Someone says BLM were there, (B) BLM were there, but not involved, (C) There was a person wearing a BLM tee shirt, (D) Someone yelled "Black Lives Matter" and finally (E) the person making the accusation just KNOWS it's BLM, because: black people were there.
 

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Our President Trump is supporting our police municipalities and urges them to stay strong against the BLM shenanigans. Glad our National Guard is good to go.
 

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BLM is not a civil-rights organization. BLM is a communist organization. There are no civil rights in communism.

Yet another parallel from today’s right wingers criticisms of BLM and how people attacked MLK.
 

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I don't see how he checks any of them. Got any evidence, other than your feelings?
:lol: You should know by now that I’m not feelings kinda guy.

Evidence:
- “You know what I am? I’m a nationalist. OK? I’m a nationalist.”
- “I like taking guns away early," Trump said. "Take the guns first, go through due process second."
A violation of the 2nd, 5th, and 14th amendments.
Trump: Take guns first and worry about due process later
- "you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides."
- Trump’s threat of an EO ending birthright citizenship in clear violation of the 14th amendment.
Trump says he is seriously looking at ending birthright citizenship - Reuters
- Trump issues EO, attempting to punish Twitter for removing his outright lies.
Trump targets social media with executive order after Twitter fact-checks him
- Trump (ignorantly) threatens review of FCC licenses of networks critical of his administration. “With all of the Fake News coming out of NBC and the Networks, at what point is it appropriate to challenge their License? Bad for country!”
Trump calls to '''challenge''' NBC'''s license. FCC responds: '''Not how it works''' - The San Diego Union-Tribune
- Trump’s butthurt retaliation against TikTok after his Tulsa humiliation.
Is This The Real Reason Why Trump Wants To Ban TikTok?

Need more examples?
 

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:lol: You should know by now that I’m not feelings kinda guy.

Evidence:
- “You know what I am? I’m a nationalist. OK? I’m a nationalist.”

Being a nationalist is not enough. A nationalist is "a person who strongly identifies with their own nation and vigorously supports its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations."

You claimed Trump is a fascist, which according to your definition means he must "exalt [the] nation and often race above the individual".

Trump has not done anything close to that. You need to show Trump is a collectivist, like yourself and your fellow leftists.

- “I like taking guns away early," Trump said. "Take the guns first, go through due process second."

I agree that would be evidence of fascism if he had done it. But he didn't.

Hey everyone, fascism is supposed to be a "far right " ideology, yet Rale here is using gun control as evidence for it. Gee, don't progressives support strict gun control? Aren't people on the right against gun control?

A violation of the 2nd, 5th, and 14th amendments.

Again, he has the power to do it - but he didn't. A fascist would have done it.

Trump’s threat of an EO ending birthright citizenship in clear violation of the 14th amendment.

He didn't do it.

Trump issues EO, attempting to punish Twitter for removing his outright lies.
Trump targets social media with executive order after Twitter fact-checks him

A fascist would nationalize twitter. Fascists are for government control of speech. Trump is against censorship and for free speech.

Trump (ignorantly) threatens review of FCC licenses of networks critical of his administration. “With all of the Fake News coming out of NBC and the Networks, at what point is it appropriate to challenge their License? Bad for country!”

So? People like you support FCC licensing, correct? The licensing process is entirely political, and Trump's a politician.

- Trump’s butthurt retaliation against TikTok after his Tulsa humiliation.
Is This The Real Reason Why Trump Wants To Ban TikTok?

This one is ridiculous. Let me sum up the argument against Trump being a fascist:

Trump is the most politically powerful person in the world. The fact that he is clearly upset over twitter, NBC, birthright citizenship, etc, and he still hasn't done anything but talk, is evidence that he is not a fascist.

You need to show how Trump actions are consistent with the definition of fascism you posted. To wit: "[fascism] stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition"

Trump has done much to reduce the centralized power of the federal government by rolling back regulation and putting people who hate government in charge of federal agencies (Betsy DeVos, Scott Pruitt, etc). A fascist would do the exact opposite.

Trump appoints federal judges who tend to restrict government power. A fascist would do the opposite.

Trump is the most anti-war president we've had in ... I don't know how long. Fascists love war.

You calling Trump a fascist only demonstrates your ignorance regarding what fascism actually is.

Need more examples?

None of your examples are evidence that Trump is a fascist, and I'd say you owe Trump a public apology. You can do it here if you'd like.
 

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Being a nationalist is not enough. A nationalist is "a person who strongly identifies with their own nation and vigorously supports its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations."

You claimed Trump is a fascist, which according to your definition means he must "exalt [the] nation and often race above the individual".

Trump has not done anything close to that. You need to show Trump is a collectivist, like yourself and your fellow leftists.



I agree that would be evidence of fascism if he had done it. But he didn't.

Hey everyone, fascism is supposed to be a "far right " ideology, yet Rale here is using gun control as evidence for it. Gee, don't progressives support strict gun control? Aren't people on the right against gun control?



Again, he has the power to do it - but he didn't. A fascist would have done it.



He didn't do it.



A fascist would nationalize twitter. Fascists are for government control of speech. Trump is against censorship and for free speech.



So? People like you support FCC licensing, correct? The licensing process is entirely political, and Trump's a politician.



This one is ridiculous. Let me sum up the argument against Trump being a fascist:

Trump is the most politically powerful person in the world. The fact that he is clearly upset over twitter, NBC, birthright citizenship, etc, and he still hasn't done anything but talk, is evidence that he is not a fascist.

You need to show how Trump actions are consistent with the definition of fascism you posted. To wit: "[fascism] stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition"

Trump has done much to reduce the centralized power of the federal government by rolling back regulation and putting people who hate government in charge of federal agencies (Betsy DeVos, Scott Pruitt, etc). A fascist would do the exact opposite.

Trump appoints federal judges who tend to restrict government power. A fascist would do the opposite.

Trump is the most anti-war president we've had in ... I don't know how long. Fascists love war.

You calling Trump a fascist only demonstrates your ignorance regarding what fascism actually is.



None of your examples are evidence that Trump is a fascist, and I'd say you owe Trump a public apology. You can do it here if you'd like.
Nationalism in the 21st century doesn’t work. We live in a global society, each country dependent on others for their success. Only a complete fool subscribes to nationalism.

Because Trump hasn’t been able to get away with many of his fascist ideas is a credit to our Constitution and those who fight to protect it from Trump. It also doesn’t erase the fact that he is, in his heart, a fascist.

As for your list;
- Trump has cut back on regulations to help big businesses make even more money for their shareholders, to the detriment of our environment.
After years of improvement, US air quality has gotten worse since 2016, report suggests
US air quality: Air more polluted since 2016, report finds
A running list of how President Trump is changing environmental policy
A running list of how President Trump is changing environmental policy
- Trump nominates and appoints federal judges he thinks he can control for his own benefit.
“Do you get the impression that the Supreme Court doesn’t like me?" Trump tweeted after the immigration ruling that came three days after the court ruled against the administration in a LGBTQ rights case.”
“Courts in the past have given “broad deference”. BUT NOT ME!”
“The Supreme Court sends case back to Lower Court, arguments to continue. This is all a political prosecution.”
Trump rages at Supreme Court over tax records case, claims '''political prosecution'''

Your sole correct assertion is that Trump is anti-war. He isn’t anti-leave our allies to be slaughtered, but he is anti-war.

I don’t expect or want any apology from you, but I do invite you to hold your breath waiting for an apology from me.
 

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BLM is not a civil-rights organization. BLM is a communist organization. There are no civil rights in communism.

Their cause is reducing police wrongdoing, not a communist economy. It's remarkable how calling things communist, even when idiotic, has worked for a century on some people.
 

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Being a nationalist is not enough. A nationalist is "a person who strongly identifies with their own nation and vigorously supports its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations."
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That's why its always their first go to, for the Trump is a fascist advocates. Nationalism is simply what distinguished Hitlers national socialism from communism which advocated for the elimination of nations. And

The KPD did not view fascism as a specific political movement, but primarily as the final stage of capitalism and "anti-fascism" was therefore synonymous with anti-capitalism.
Antifa (Germany) - Wikipedia

Trump is guilty of being a capitalist.
 

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Their cause is reducing police wrongdoing, not a communist economy. It's remarkable how calling things communist, even when idiotic, has worked for a century on some people.


BLM are the useful idiots of the Marxist who seek to sow racial division
 

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Again BLM has become a marxist led terrorist organization.
 

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Just two of them do; not all of them.

:lamo

They describe themselves as "trained Marxists" in that they are adherents to Saul Alinsky's general philosphy for community activism....

Okay...go on.

just like the founders of the TEA PARTY movement, btw.

:lamo

But I'm sure you don't know that, because you're a fakenewser. You people don't know very much. But you are great at repeating the factoids, half-truths and talking points fed to you by your FauxNews heros. That's clear.

Ad hom; strawman.

:lamo

Only white nationalist sympathizers promote the lie you expressed, above.

:screwy
 

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BLM are the useful idiots of the Marxist who seek to sow racial division

We have a lot of crazy people. I guess the abolitionists weren't fighting to end a harmful institution, they were seeking racial division? The civil war is the fault of the intolerant leftists who refused to respect the rights of the southerners, right?
 

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We have a lot of crazy people. I guess the abolitionists weren't fighting to end a harmful institution, they were seeking racial division?

Slavery was a fact. That police shoot people because they are black is false propaganda intended to sow racial division.
 

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Why make a post when you don't know what you are talking about?

"Human Rights and Equality Of Person as Individual, is a CORE PRINCIPLE to, of, and within AMERICAN DEMOCRACY..... And people have the right to Protest and DEMAND that it is the reality for ALL AMERICAN PEOPLE within this United States of America's Democracy, and to assure that its system of Republic Form of Governance, Respect and Protect Those Core Principles FOR EVERYONE... [/I]

Blocking streets, vandalism and arson are crimes, not a form of protest.
 

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Blocking streets, vandalism and arson are crimes, not a form of protest.

Shooting Unarmed People is a Crime!!! (That Jim Crow Tactic and System is A Crime Against Humanity)... and Respect For Humanity is far more important than a building, or a blocked street.

You better look around the world, before you claim what is and what is not within the system of Protest.


Getting attacked by dogs, water-hoses and getting beat by rabid white people and attacked by white police including on horseback, and burning down black churches, bombing black churches, and burning and destroying entire black business and black communities, which was done by 'WHITE PEOPLE". FOR DECADES!!!!! was not a form of counter protest, based on your comment about what is and is not part of protest.
And people like you and your ancestry cheered it on, and even supported such vile acts within the congregations of white evangelist, and every other religious group of white people.
A white militia with assault weapons if not part of Protest either, but you people support it and dumb ass Trump is promoting it.

You can get off your aims to sanitize your white views... and try to excuse actions of right wing white people. Its right wing minded Confederate Groomed White People who are the Root Cause... and has been for centuries and decades.

No, I and many of the people protesting don't condone the violence and destroying stuff, and they don't condone being tear gassed, and beat and pushed to the side so a mad man can abuse the symbolism of the Bible for a Photo Op.
 
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BLM is not a civil-rights organization. BLM is a communist organization. There are no civil rights in communism.

BLM is a civil rights movement. Demanding equal justice under the law is not communism.

The GOP has become a cult of personality and stupidity. There are no republicans left in the GOP.
 

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Shooting Unarmed People is a Crime!!! (That Jim Crow Tactic and System is A Crime Against Humanity)... and Respect For Humanity is far more important than a building, or a blocked street.

You better look around the world, before you claim what is and what is not within the system of Protest..

While you look around the world to determine what is the law in the US, I instead read the laws.
 

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BLM has no national office or national leader.

Each office is independent

Did you read the link or even the opening paragraph you are commenting on? i.e., "Black Lives Matter is a corporation whose real name is Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation (BLMGNF). The following information is on their web site. It is a nationwide corporation! BLMGNF has chapters in Boston, Chicago, Washington DC, Denver, Detroit, Los Angeles, Lansing, Long Beach, Memphis, Nashville, New York City, Philadelphia, South Bend and in Canada in Toronto, Vancouver, and Waterloo."
 

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While you look around the world to determine what is the law in the US, I instead read the laws.

you probably should hoped that you ancestry would have read the law, before they passed their vile racist ignorance from one generation to the next. As to Law, it damn sure is not a principle concern of Barr or Trump... nor the Republican Politicians who use silence to support madness.

American Life Could Be Simple and Prospering For All.... except for the madness of white racism and the damages it has done and continue to do. Only a racist and greed driven being would vote for Trump... because Trump is a Savage, and everyone who has left from within that cluster screw that has been done to our Governance... has said how vile, uninformed and willfully ignorant he is.
 
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