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[Nickyjo]

Trump administration announced that several white South Africans will be brought to the US, presumably because they face persecution in their country. No word on the many darker skinned already US-approved refugees whose coming to the US was canceled. Ok, MAGA faithful: 1- explain how is this not racist?; 2- can you link to any Trump denunciations of South African apartheid? (FYI, I would be pleasantly surprised should there be evidence of this.)

 

[Gozaburo]

Trump administration announced that several white South Africans will be brought to the US, presumably because they face persecution in their country. No word on the many darker skinned already US-approved refugees whose coming to the US was canceled. Ok, MAGA faithful: 1- explain how is this not racist?; 2- can you link to any Trump denunciations of South African apartheid? (FYI, I would be pleasantly surprised should there be evidence of this.)

If the question is: "is bringing endangered South African Boers as refugees racist?" then the answer is no.

If the question is "is bringing endangered South African Boers as refugees, but ignoring starving kids in Liberia racist?" then the answer is not necessarily, but probably when we consider the administration.

 

[Questerr]

If the question is: "is bringing endangered South African Boers as refugees racist?" then the answer is no.

If the question is "is bringing endangered South African Boers as refugees, but ignoring starving kids in Liberia racist?" then the answer is not necessarily, but probably when we consider the administration.

Is stripping refugee status from brown refugees already in America with that status while brining in white South Africans, who aren't "endangered" except in Neo-Nazi conspiracy theories, racist?

 

[Cosmo]

Trump administration announced that several white South Africans will be brought to the US, presumably because they face persecution in their country. No word on the many darker skinned already US-approved refugees whose coming to the US was canceled. Ok, MAGA faithful: 1- explain how is this not racist?; 2- can you link to any Trump denunciations of South African apartheid? (FYI, I would be pleasantly surprised should there be evidence of this.)

Trump is racist because you couldn't find proof of cancellations or denunciations? Researching for your OP is your job, not Trump's.

 

[Questerr]

Trump is racist because you couldn't find proof of cancellations or denunciations? Researching for your OP is your job, not Trump's.

No, Trump is racist because of all of the racist things he has done, for instance calling for the deaths of 5 innocent black men and discriminating against black renters in his properties.

 

[Argent]

No, Trump is racist because of all of the racist things he has done, for instance calling for the deaths of 5 innocent black men and discriminating against black renters in his properties.

And making DEI illegal. And firing a whole lotta black people from their government positions.

 

[Gozaburo]

while brining in white South Africans, who aren't "endangered" except in Neo-Nazi conspiracy theories, racist?

South Africa has deteriorated significantly since the end of apartheid. It's dramatic to call the situation state-sponsored oppression, but I can't blame people for wanting to flee from a failing state.

Is stripping refugee status from brown refugees already in America with that status

Of the cases I know - most are not justified - but I'd maintain it's totally within the right of a state to overturn refugee status of a particular person if the situation in their homeland has stabilized. If you have a problem with that, well then we're not really talking about refugees anymore are we?

 

[Questerr]

South Africa has deteriorated significantly since the end of apartheid. It's dramatic to call the situation state-sponsored oppression, but I can't blame people for wanting to flee from a failing state.



Of the cases I know - most are not justified - but I'd maintain it's totally within the right of a state to overturn refugee status of a particular person if the situation in their homeland has stabilized. If you have a problem with that, well then we're not really talking about refugees anymore are we?

None of the countries refugees are from that Trump wants to blanket strip of their status are "stabilized".

And you continue to repeat the Neo-Nazi "white genocide" conspiracy theory.

 

[Cosmo]

No, Trump is racist because of all of the racist things he has done, for instance calling for the deaths of 5 innocent black men and discriminating against black renters in his properties.

5 black guys confessed to a crime and got imprisoned by a black Democrat mayor, therefore Trump is a white supremacist?

 

[Questerr]

5 black guys confessed to a crime and got imprisoned by a black Democrat mayor, therefore Trump is a white supremacist?

Coerced confessions later overturned by DNA evidence. Trump called for their deaths and still refuses to admit they are innocent. Because Trump is a racist.

 

[Cosmo]

Coerced confessions later overturned by DNA evidence. Trump called for their deaths and still refuses to admit they are innocent. Because Trump is a racist.

Was the mayor racist, too?

 

[Gozaburo]

And you continue to repeat the Neo-Nazi "white genocide" conspiracy theory.

Reading comprehension check - I never said this. I suggested South Africa is heading toward becoming a failed state and is increasingly violent (objectively true) and so I sympathize with anyone who doesn't want to live in a place where rule of law is totally arbitrary, if it exists at all.

None of the countries refugees are from that Trump wants to blanket strip of their status are "stabilized".

Also false. Countries like El Salvador and Nepal still qualify for refugee status, even though the former has become extremely stable and recovered from prior natural disasters and the latter has also mostly recovered from its natural disasters.

Granted neither are preferable to the United States, but that's to be expected.

 

[Nickyjo]

If the question is: "is bringing endangered South African Boers as refugees racist?" then the answer is no.

If the question is "is bringing endangered South African Boers as refugees, but ignoring starving kids in Liberia racist?" then the answer is not necessarily, but probably when we consider the administration.

Agreed — with this qualifier. The racism I saw is not exactly ignoring any starvation in Liberia or elsewhere in Africa, it is in (having presumably) put White South Africans thru the rigorous refugee determination process, he plans to fly them to the US, but denies admission to darker-skinned refugees who already had gone thru that process long before the White folks.

 

[Questerr]

Was the mayor racist, too?

Is the mayor still saying they are guilty and should have been killed?

 

[Questerr]

Reading comprehension check - I never said this. I suggested South Africa is heading toward becoming a failed state and is increasingly violent (objectively true) and so I sympathize with anyone who doesn't want to live in a place where rule of law is totally arbitrary, if it exists at all.



Also false. Countries like El Salvador and Nepal still qualify for refugee status, even though the former has become extremely stable and recovered from prior natural disasters and the latter has also mostly recovered from its natural disasters.

Granted neither are preferable to the United States, but that's to be expected.

So Trump is allowing in any South Africans as refugees? Or just "endangered Boers" (YOUR WORDS and the aforementioned Neo-Nazi conspiracy theory)?

 

[bomberfox]

Afrikaners and Boers can wait in line like anyone else. **** em, bunch of nazi shitheads.

 

[Gozaburo]

So Trump is allowing in any South Africans as refugees? Or just "endangered Boers" (YOUR WORDS and the aforementioned Neo-Nazi conspiracy theory)?

As I understand it, the overwhelming majority of refugees allowed in during Trump's first and second term have been non-whites from countries in the global south. Obviously I'm not going to engage with your strawman where I must defend every action from the administration just because I think giving asylum to people from a failing state is understandable.

 

[Questerr]

As I understand it, the overwhelming majority of refugees allowed in during Trump's first and second term have been non-whites from countries in the global south. Obviously I'm not going to engage with your strawman where I must defend every action from the administration just because I think giving asylum to people from a failing state is understandable.

You are desperately trying to dance away from your own words ("Endangered Boers") engaging in Neo-Nazi conspiracy theories.

 

[Gozaburo]

You are desperately trying to dance away from your own words ("Endangered Boers") engaging in Neo-Nazi conspiracy theories.

I'm not dancing away from anything. The obvious shouldn't need to be said, but obviously the status of white South Africans is distinct and unique from black South Africans. Whether or not that gives them a unique asylum status is at the discretion of the host nation and is not necessarily racist.

 

[Questerr]

I'm not dancing away from anything. The obvious shouldn't need to be said, but obviously the status of white South Africans is distinct and unique from black South Africans. Whether or not that gives them a unique asylum status is at the discretion of the host nation and is not necessarily racist.

No it isn't. The claim that White South Africans are subject to some kind of organized violence or oppression is a Neo-Nazi conspiracy theory.

 

[JMR]

Was the mayor racist, too?

The mayor does not have the power to imprison anyone.

 

[Gozaburo]

No it isn't. The claim that White South Africans are subject to some kind of organized violence or oppression is a Neo-Nazi conspiracy theory.

I didn't claim there is state sponsored violence (although some political parties have advocated for it), rather that their status as a demographic is unique and distinct.

That status is perhaps best illustrated by the staggering amount of emigration by white South Africans since the end of apartheid.

 

[Lovebug]

South Africa has deteriorated significantly since the end of apartheid. It's dramatic to call the situation state-sponsored oppression, but I can't blame people for wanting to flee from a failing state.

Of course people want to flee and seek refuge

Of the cases I know - most are not justified - but I'd maintain it's totally within the right of a state to overturn refugee status of a particular person if the situation in their homeland has stabilized. If you have a problem with that, well then we're not really talking about refugees anymore are we?

Educate me.

 

[Lovebug]

So Trump is allowing in any South Africans as refugees? Or just "endangered Boers" (YOUR WORDS and the aforementioned Neo-Nazi conspiracy theory)?

Prolly only Edolf's friends.

 

[Lovebug]

So, here I was looking up how many whites v brown and black people the administration is deporting when I came across this little nibble.

Top Trump adviser suggests White House could suspend habeas corpus to deport migrants

The Trump administration again escalated its fight with the judiciary. In stunning remarks, White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller said they are considering suspending habeas corpus for migrants contesting detentions. Miller’s comments come as judges across the country have blocked...

www.pbs.org

WTH?