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Blame the Senate for not Considering Spending Bills

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Status of Appropriations Legislation for Fiscal Year 2014 - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

Every appropriations bill for 2014 passed the House 4 months ago. The various Senate committees even reviewed them. But Reid wont bring them up on the floor for a vote or amendments. So how can the shutdown (read: end of FY2013) be anything but the fault of the Senate, who wont do their job?
The Senate voted on the resolution passed by the House, stripped out the part related to Obamacare, and sent it back. If the House were to agree with the Senate's version (which, in most times would be considered a compromise...when the other person agrees with almost everything you want, with few exceptions, that's a compromise), then we would not have a shutdown.

Instead, the House is not budging from their position at all, refusing to compromise on anything in their bill, so the blame can be put on them.

Obviously, it's deeper than that, considering both sides are refusing to budge on Obamacare, but that's why blame can be put on the House. The Senate has agreed with virtually everything the House wanted, with one exception. The House is not happy with most of what they passed, they want it all.
 

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The Senate voted on the resolution passed by the House, stripped out the part related to Obamacare, and sent it back. If the House were to agree with the Senate's version (which, in most times would be considered a compromise...when the other person agrees with almost everything you want, with few exceptions, that's a compromise), then we would not have a shutdown.

Instead, the House is not budging from their position at all, refusing to compromise on anything in their bill, so the blame can be put on them.

Obviously, it's deeper than that, considering both sides are refusing to budge on Obamacare, but that's why blame can be put on the House. The Senate has agreed with virtually everything the House wanted, with one exception. The House is not happy with most of what they passed, they want it all.

Thats irrelvant. There would have been no need for a CR if the Senate had passed the spending bills months ago.
 

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Only in the partisan world do we worry about blame above the common good.
 

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Thats irrelvant.
No, it's quite relevant. Had the House agreed to the resolution the Senate sent back to them, we would not have a shutdown.
 

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No, it's quite relevant. Had the House agreed to the resolution the Senate sent back to them, we would not have a shutdown.

No, its not. There was no need for a continuing resolution. They should have done the job required by the Budget Act and passed a budget, and then appropriations bills. The Senate has been doing nothing for 4 months.
 

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No, it's quite relevant. Had the House agreed to the resolution the Senate sent back to them, we would not have a shutdown.

Therein lies the issue - One side requests changes, the other denies any changes. Your preference then is to support "no changes". The party of "no" in this case are Democrats.
 

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Therein lies the issue - One side requests changes, the other denies any changes. Your preference then is to support "no changes". The party of "no" in this case are Democrats.

Thats not the issue. THe issue is the failure of the Senate to do their job four months ago.
 

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The failure is in the American people for electing this group of status quo.
 

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The Senate voted on the resolution passed by the House, stripped out the part related to Obamacare, and sent it back. If the House were to agree with the Senate's version (which, in most times would be considered a compromise...when the other person agrees with almost everything you want, with few exceptions, that's a compromise), then we would not have a shutdown.

Instead, the House is not budging from their position at all, refusing to compromise on anything in their bill, so the blame can be put on them.

Obviously, it's deeper than that, considering both sides are refusing to budge on Obamacare, but that's why blame can be put on the House. The Senate has agreed with virtually everything the House wanted, with one exception. The House is not happy with most of what they passed, they want it all.

Way to not know the facts. The House did come back with a compromise to delay the mandate for one year. Either you didn't know that or were just blatantly dishonest.
 

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Way to not know the facts. The House did come back with a compromise to delay the mandate for one year. Either you didn't know that or were just blatantly dishonest.

So you support just delaying the mandate by one year and then its all well and good? It won't be an issue again right? No of course not, why kick the can down the road just to have the same fight all over again?
 

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No, its not. There was no need for a continuing resolution. They should have done the job required by the Budget Act and passed a budget, and then appropriations bills. The Senate has been doing nothing for 4 months.
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Okay then.
Therein lies the issue - One side requests changes, the other denies any changes. Your preference then is to support "no changes". The party of "no" in this case are Democrats.
I'm pretty certain the House has said "no" to the change the Democrats made. Democrats changed and the House said no to the changes.

It works both ways. Of course, the Senate has essentially agreed to almost everything in the resolution, aside from this one particular part.
Way to not know the facts. The House did come back with a compromise to delay the mandate for one year.
That is not a compromise. I know the facts just fine, and I also know the definitions of words.
 

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So you support just delaying the mandate by one year and then its all well and good? It won't be an issue again right? No of course not, why kick the can down the road just to have the same fight all over again?
So...not a big fan of the debt ceiling debate then? Perfectly content leaving it the way it is? I mean...why bother debating it when we know that the debt ceiling will be burst agin in 6 months. So...no sense kicking that can down the road...better to actually deal with it. And heck...that would ACTUALLY be fiscally responsible for a change.

Nah...your bull**** response is driven by the fact that you LIKE the democrat stand. Funny how that blind partisan mindset thing works.
 

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So you support just delaying the mandate by one year and then its all well and good? It won't be an issue again right? No of course not, why kick the can down the road just to have the same fight all over again?

So the Government can stay open for one.
 

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Okay then.
I'm pretty certain the House has said "no" to the change the Democrats made. Democrats changed and the House said no to the changes.

It works both ways. Of course, the Senate has essentially agreed to almost everything in the resolution, aside from this one particular part.

That is not a compromise. I know the facts just fine, and I also know the definitions of words.

Um, that isn't what the Republicans want so YES it is a compromise. :roll:
 

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Again, not relevant. The issue is the spending bills that still need to be passed, not the continuing resolution. The CR would only permit spending for one quarter. Whether it passes or not, the Senate still has to pass spending bills for the rest of 2014.
 

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Good to see you agree. One down.
I don't, but it's clear you're not interested in any narrative but your own. It's really clear...had the House simply passed the resolution as provided to them by the Senate, we would not have a shutdown.
Um, that isn't what the Republicans want so YES it is a compromise. :roll:
Uh, no. Getting exactly what you want (in this case, no Obamacare) is not a compromise. Republicans are throwing a hissy fit because Obamacare is going into effect. The House passed a resolution which was mostly agreed to, with the exception being Obamacare. The House isn't getting everything they want, and the impasse has shutdown the government. That's not a compromise.
 

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I don't, but it's clear you're not interested in any narrative but your own. It's really clear...had the House simply passed the resolution as provided to them by the Senate, we would not have a shutdown.
Uh, no. Getting exactly what you want (in this case, no Obamacare) is not a compromise. Republicans are throwing a hissy fit because Obamacare is going into effect. The House passed a resolution which was mostly agreed to, with the exception being Obamacare. The House isn't getting everything they want, and the impasse has shutdown the government. That's not a compromise.

The latest they put on the table was not "no obamacare." It was a delay. That is NOT what they want and therefore a compromise. What have the Dems compromised on lately? Nothing.
 

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I don't, but it's clear you're not interested in any narrative but your own. It's really clear...had the House simply passed the resolution as provided to them by the Senate, we would not have a shutdown.

You said okay. Thats an agreement. What happened yesterday is irrelevant. Had the Senate simply passed the resolution as provided them by the House, we would not have a shutdown. Also irrelevant. The topic is the failure of the Senate to consider the full year appropriations sent to the Senate 4 months ago.
 

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So you support just delaying the mandate by one year and then its all well and good? It won't be an issue again right? No of course not, why kick the can down the road just to have the same fight all over again?

Do you feel the same way regarding debt limit increase legislation?
 

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The latest they put on the table was not "no obamacare." It was a delay. That is NOT what they want and therefore a compromise. What have the Dems compromised on lately? Nothing.
The delay meant no obamacare. You're playing word games.

As far as Dems, I'm not talking Dems vs. Repubs, I'm talking House vs. Senate. And the Senate agreed with most everything the House sent them.
You said okay. Thats an agreement.
No, it's not, and your assertion it does is a fallacy.
 
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