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JoeTheEconomist

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The president has a shutdown strategy that is nothing more than a scortched earth policy until the GOP is forced to surrender. He is putting his politics above the welfare of the nation, and yet he has the temerity to blame the Republicans for the consequences.

His strategy is really a political bet. He is betting that the Republicans will have to fold under the pressure that he creates. He is betting that the GOP has picked the wrong issue, and that he will win by holding his breath. Understand the terms of the president's bet: Americans lose until he wins.

The issue isn't the ACA as much as the President's belief that he can have it all. He grew fat and lazy during the 2009 and 2010 time frame when Americans handed the Democrats complete control of the government. They did what they wanted, on their time table. Today he has to negotiate, and doesn't like going to work.

The GOP is doing what politicians are supposed to do. They are essentially offering to trade something that their audience generally doesn't like, increasing the debt limit, for something that its audience wants, defunding Obamacare ("ACA"). In the world of politics, the Democrats should respond with an alternative, one which protects the ACA while providing more party favors for the Republicans such as approval of the Keystone XL pipeline, offshore drilling, or reductions in pollution regulations. The breakdown in this process comes from the Democrats who have refused to participate in a political process.

(You can blame the GOP as well, but they aren't the ones who said we will not negotiate)

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http://www.policymic.com/articles/6...shutdown-obama-and-the-democrats-are-at-fault
 
 
Blame, blame, blame.... more blame.... more blame....

All I see is each side pointing fingers at each other, and they wonder why more than eighty percent of Americans see our current Congress as broken and inefficient.

Maybe they'll soon realize that the Republican & Democrat parties are broken and inefficient.

I understand both sides have their claims, but it's silly to claim one side bears complete responsibility for this disaster. The House has waited far too late to bring this to the table, and doing it this close to October 17 is too much a risk for my taste. That being said, Congress has declined to even negotiate with the House... That says a lot about their integrity and supposed "bi-partisanship" as well.

Both parties are stubborn and responsible for this pickle.
 
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Moot said:
The democrats have said they'd be more than happy to negotiate after the republicans open the government. But apparently, the republicans can't take "yes" for an answer.
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JoeTheEconomist said:
The president has a shutdown strategy that is nothing more than a scortched earth policy until the GOP is forced to surrender. He is putting his politics above the welfare of the nation, and yet he has the temerity to blame the Republicans for the consequences.

His strategy is really a political bet. He is betting that the Republicans will have to fold under the pressure that he creates. He is betting that the GOP has picked the wrong issue, and that he will win by holding his breath. Understand the terms of the president's bet: Americans lose until he wins.

The issue isn't the ACA as much as the President's belief that he can have it all. He grew fat and lazy during the 2009 and 2010 time frame when Americans handed the Democrats complete control of the government. They did what they wanted, on their time table. Today he has to negotiate, and doesn't like going to work.

The GOP is doing what politicians are supposed to do. They are essentially offering to trade something that their audience generally doesn't like, increasing the debt limit, for something that its audience wants, defunding Obamacare ("ACA"). In the world of politics, the Democrats should respond with an alternative, one which protects the ACA while providing more party favors for the Republicans such as approval of the Keystone XL pipeline, offshore drilling, or reductions in pollution regulations. The breakdown in this process comes from the Democrats who have refused to participate in a political process.

(You can blame the GOP as well, but they aren't the ones who said we will not negotiate)

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Who Caused the Government Shutdown? Obama and the Democrats are at Fault
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Projection at it's finest.
 
JoeTheEconomist said:
The GOP is doing what politicians are supposed to do. They are essentially offering to trade something that their audience generally doesn't like, increasing the debt limit, for something that its audience wants, defunding Obamacare ("ACA").
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You claim to manage credit risk on your blog profile. I hope to god you are lying, because otherwise there is some poor bank out relying on your "analysis". If you were competent in your stated field, you would be aware that even the threat of defaulting on debt would tangibly hurt our nations ability to borrow money. Actually following through with it would be a complete disaster.

No sane politician ever "compromises" by saying "give my me stuff or I will destroy the nations credit rating".
 
reidster said:
Blame, blame, blame.... more blame.... more blame....

All I see is each side pointing fingers at each other, and they wonder why more than eighty percent of Americans see our current Congress as broken and inefficient.

Maybe they'll soon realize that the Republican & Democrat parties are broken and inefficient.

I understand both sides have their claims, but it's silly to claim one side bears complete responsibility for this disaster. The House has waited far too late to bring this to the table, and doing it this close to October 17 is too much a risk for my taste. That being said, Congress has declined to even negotiate with the House... That says a lot about their integrity and supposed "bi-partisanship" as well.

Both parties are stubborn and responsible for this pickle.
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Here's the rub....both sides agree the debt ceiling needs to be raised. So what is there to negotiate?
 
Yeah, man. The Republicans have to surrender and accept that the law passed by congress and signed by the president, full of provisions supported by the majority of Americans absolutely support, and deemed constitutional by the supreme court, is going to stick. They do not get to throw a temper tantrum and demand concessions that violate the entire judicial process and damage the country to this extent in order to get it. That is just plain bad governing.
 
Paschendale said:
Yeah, man. The Republicans have to surrender and accept that the law passed by congress and signed by the president, full of provisions supported by the majority of Americans absolutely support, and deemed constitutional by the supreme court, is going to stick.
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They said this about the Dred Scott decision too.
 
rathi said:
You claim to manage credit risk on your blog profile. I hope to god you are lying, because otherwise there is some poor bank out relying on your "analysis". If you were competent in your stated field, you would be aware that even the threat of defaulting on debt would tangibly hurt our nations ability to borrow money. Actually following through with it would be a complete disaster.

No sane politician ever "compromises" by saying "give my me stuff or I will destroy the nations credit rating".
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So why is Obama risking that...the Republicans will give in to funding on almost everything but Obamacare...Obama is going to risk the entire country so his namesake can remain through and into financial collapse??

Ironic ignorance brings one even more bliss I would suppose.
 
Paschendale said:
Yeah, man. The Republicans have to surrender and accept that the law passed by congress and signed by the president, full of provisions supported by the majority of Americans absolutely support, and deemed constitutional by the supreme court, is going to stick. They do not get to throw a temper tantrum and demand concessions that violate the entire judicial process and damage the country to this extent in order to get it. That is just plain bad governing.
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Yeah yeah yeah...ignoring... or flat out ignorance of the President's prominent part in this shutdown fiasco is futile. The bad omen can run but he cannot hide from those that understand.

The American people DO NOT AND NEVER HAVE wanted this warmed over stew of Socialist dreams... only a majority of liberals/Democrats/Socialists have wanted this forever and the bad O-man, thinks his name will go down in the history of Socialist annals as THE ONE, the dude that got it done...

The House, fellow citizen, was duly elected, they can, as did the Dems/Progressives/Socialists when they were elected, do any and all that is legal to achieve their objectives.

Somehow don't remember the bribes to Dems that were not real keen on the idea, huh...??? "Cornhusker Kickback" or the "Louisiana Purchase" ring any bells? How about the lies given to placate the anti-abortion mini-wing of the Democrat party, led by Bart Stupak? Then the performing of a magically sleazy "trick", that of taking of an unrelated House bill, hollowing it out and using it for their own soiled intentions having nothing to do with the original purpose of the bill. The bill that passed the Senate wasn’t technically a Senate bill. Reid took a bill that had already passed the House, stripped out the provisions to turn it into a “shell bill,” and then inserted the text of ObamaCare to get around the requirement, Article I, section 7 of the Constitution that says that all bills that raise revenue must originate in the House. The bill that passed the Senate was H.R.3590, which initially had to do with tax breaks for military homeowners.

So spare us all the self righteous bemoaning about how Republicans might do things to achieve our own goals.
 
Moot said:
The democrats have said they'd be more than happy to negotiate after the republicans open the government. But apparently, the republicans can't take "yes" for an answer.
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That isn't what the President was quoted as saying. Sitting in the same room is not negotiating. If he wants the ACA, come up with bribes to keep it. This is what politics is. You can't cry like a baby just because it is played against a law that you like.
 
reidster said:
Both parties are stubborn and responsible for this pickle.
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I would agree. It is unclear whether politics end and poor negotiting starts, but at least the GOP did the first step. Obama and team should have done their job a month ago when this started. They didn't think it was worth their time.

The current problem is the CRs, but the debt ceiling is the larger problem and that is a week away.
 
Paschendale said:
Yeah, man. The Republicans have to surrender and accept that the law passed by congress and signed by the president, full of provisions supported by the majority of Americans absolutely support, and deemed constitutional by the supreme court, is going to stick. They do not get to throw a temper tantrum and demand concessions that violate the entire judicial process and damage the country to this extent in order to get it. That is just plain bad governing.
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This is the talking point that I like the best because it is the least connected with reality.

All laws are changeable that is why the Social Security program is now exactly opposite of its original intent.

The piety that goes into saying that it was upheld by the Supreme Court is factually inaccurate. The Supreme Court rewrote sections of the law so that it would conform to the Constitution. They made it a tax. Those changes were never voted on. It is a law yes - but lets lay off the whole "ohhh the Supreme Court deemed it constitutional".

The temper-tantrum is ... Are you kidding me? Who is throwing the pouting fit? Who is the one that refused to do his job? Politics are a fact of DC, you can't go to your room just because they are being played against you.

" damage the country to this extent in order to get it."

This one is the best. Do you remember when the Democrats were playing politics with the TARP program so that it would be loaded with pork barrel.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
So why is Obama risking that...the Republicans will give in to funding on almost everything but Obamacare...Obama is going to risk the entire country so his namesake can remain through and into financial collapse??

Ironic ignorance brings one even more bliss I would suppose.
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Just an opinion, this isn't about the ACA. It is about saving face for both parties. The GOP has constituents that will end their Representatives over spending. The GOP has to bring them home some bacon or it is good night time.

This is about to get worse, so I am glad that people are getting it now on a small basis. The debt ceiling is two weeks away, and the GOPs audience isn't really willing to breakon that one.
 
JoeTheEconomist said:
The president has a shutdown strategy that is nothing more than a scortched earth policy until the GOP is forced to surrender. He is putting his politics above the welfare of the nation, and yet he has the temerity to blame the Republicans for the consequences.

His strategy is really a political bet. He is betting that the Republicans will have to fold under the pressure that he creates. He is betting that the GOP has picked the wrong issue, and that he will win by holding his breath. Understand the terms of the president's bet: Americans lose until he wins.

The issue isn't the ACA as much as the President's belief that he can have it all. He grew fat and lazy during the 2009 and 2010 time frame when Americans handed the Democrats complete control of the government. They did what they wanted, on their time table. Today he has to negotiate, and doesn't like going to work.

The GOP is doing what politicians are supposed to do. They are essentially offering to trade something that their audience generally doesn't like, increasing the debt limit, for something that its audience wants, defunding Obamacare ("ACA"). In the world of politics, the Democrats should respond with an alternative, one which protects the ACA while providing more party favors for the Republicans such as approval of the Keystone XL pipeline, offshore drilling, or reductions in pollution regulations. The breakdown in this process comes from the Democrats who have refused to participate in a political process.

(You can blame the GOP as well, but they aren't the ones who said we will not negotiate)

Longer Version :

Who Caused the Government Shutdown? Obama and the Democrats are at Fault
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Thus far I haven't seen an opinion poll that shows that more people blame the President and the Dems than they do the GOP. It only seems to be conservative pundits that see it that way.
 
Andalublue said:
Thus far I haven't seen an opinion poll that shows that more people blame the President and the Dems than they do the GOP. It only seems to be conservative pundits that see it that way.
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If you read the article, I said that the President would likely win his bet. I just said that the bet wasn't good for the country. And if you think you have a problem now, wait. This is about CRs not about the debt ceiling yet.
 
Andalublue said:
Thus far I haven't seen an opinion poll that shows that more people blame the President and the Dems than they do the GOP. It only seems to be conservative pundits that see it that way.
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It's a shame there are so many f'in stupid people in this country, isn't it?
 
JoeTheEconomist said:
Thanks I watch the Daily Show. But I keep in mind that it is a fake news show not the real thing. Jon is better with comedy than fact.
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Satire and lampooning can be very thought provoking and sum up in a few words or a political cartoon in a single picture what others cant say with volumes of words.
 
JoeTheEconomist said:
That isn't what the President was quoted as saying. Sitting in the same room is not negotiating. If he wants the ACA, come up with bribes to keep it. This is what politics is. You can't cry like a baby just because it is played against a law that you like.
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Actually it was Nancy Pelosi who said that. Obama doesn't have to do anything except wait for the Republicans to either come to their senses and vote on a clean CR...or they can self destruct. Meanwhile he does have other options if push comes to shove. It won't be pretty but it will be effective and it will blow your mind.
 
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