Black violent crime rate 3 times that of whitess

[Tettsuo]

That isn't lucky. The support you got from those around you took EFFORT.

You would be incorrect. I was indeed lucky. Where I was born, to whom I was born, and when I was born are all about luck. None of that took effort on my part.

MORE people should be giving that effort for thier loved ones/children/family I had very little in the way of financial support, but I did have involved parents who WANTED better for me even if they couldn't give financial tools to help. You evidently had it. Why don't others?

My grandparents had nine children and fled the South for the hope of better opportunities up North. They didn't find those opportunities and struggled instead. They could never afford to give equal resources to all nine of their children. They quite literally had to decide which of the nine would benefit most from their meager resources. The rest were left to flounder (financially). This was not a rare predicament for people of that generation.

It seems you don't understand the impact of poverty, having a lack of generational wealth, and the pernicious destructiveness of systemic racism to upward mobility.

Without using excuses or justifications, why do you find it an impossible task for the black community to bring themselves up to a level of standard the rest of the country enjoys?

I don't find it impossible... who made that statement? A good number of their grandchildren moved into the middle class, including me. A good number of us didn't rise as well. The whys are numerous. And just to note, the rest of the country... what the hell are you talking about? Are you implying that whites aren't poor? Hispanics? The vast majority of people living in poverty in the US are white. It must be their culture... right?

Honestly, your ignorance about this topic is amazing to me. Not because of incorrect assumptions, but because of your obstinacy around it. You're getting some great information from a bunch of posters, and you're choosing to completely ignore it and run with your own narrative.

 

[Gozaburo]

What defect do you suppose women are handicapped by such that they are incapable of that clarity in the preseason?

The defect that most of the general population are handicapped with - most people are retarded with little agency and poor time preference.

I've been very poor and I've been reasonably wealthy. Dysgenic sexual selection is probably the largest cause of wealth inequality in the lower - upper middle class ranges. Hell, even among the uber rich most wealth is dynastic in nature.

 

[Lycanthrope]

The defect that most of the general population are handicapped with - most people are retarded with little agency and poor time preference.

I've been very poor and I've been reasonably wealthy. Dysgenic sexual selection is probably the largest cause of wealth inequality in the lower - upper middle class ranges. Hell, even among the uber rich most wealth is dynastic in nature.

It was a tangential topic, just curious to see where you would take it.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Historical crimes to explain today's disparities among groups just doesn't work. For example, Jews have been oppressed for thousands of years.

Today’s “disparities” can largely be attributed to government/societal sanctioned oppression and neglect that continued for a very long time after the Civil War.

 

[Tettsuo]

We agree that lack of education/opportunity for careers is a precipitant of future poverty.

Are many impoverished kids in substandard schools? Is public education belittled and disparaged in mainstream American culture? Is it harder for poor families to get their kids into private schools? Once in, is it harder for them to bear the costs of a private education? Given the above agreement, I'm inclined to think you'll agree on these points as well. So poverty is pernicious and often generational when poor kids do not have the resources/nutrition/support to "bootstrap it" as well as other kids.

Add the above to the practice of redlining, forcing black people into the worst neighborhoods, so even black people with reasonably successful jobs had to send their children to substandard schools.

This was not accidental. The funding of public schools based on property taxes was a choice, forcing black people to live in slums was a choice, and the black populace controlled none of those choices.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Self inflicted. Black culture does it to themselves.

What “black culture” are you referring to?

 

[aociswundumho]

Today’s “disparities” can largely be attributed to government/societal sanctioned oppression and neglect that continued for a very long time after the Civil War.

That's true, but again, Thomas Sowell has studied the issue extensively and found blacks were improving in both income and education right up to the great society programs of the 60s.

 

[Ahlevah]

By far, white men commit the most sex crimes.

Sexual Abuse

www.ussc.gov

Whites also commit the most murders.

Number of murder offenders by race 2023| Statista

In 2023, 8,842 murderers in the United States were white, while 6,405 were Black.

www.statista.com

Curious, why there are no threads about all the crimes committed by white folks posted by right wingers.

So where are the homicidal Mexican and Salvadoran gangbangers listed? That’s right: they’re considered “white people” under the FBI’s reporting system, since it doesn’t classify “Hispanic” as a race but an ethnicity.

 

[SCrider]

Which may be an indication the problem is cultural and not racial, yes?

No, it's economic.

 

[j brown's body]

That's true, but again, Thomas Sowell has studied the issue extensively and found blacks were improving in both income and education right up to the great society programs of the 60s.

He also makes the case that blacks got their bad habits from whites. Why blacks are distinguished for it remains a mystery.

 

[Gozaburo]

That's true, but again, Thomas Sowell has studied the issue extensively and found blacks were improving in both income and education right up to the great society programs of the 60s.

By this logic, we could say it had nothing to do with the great society and everything to do with the civil rights movement.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

That's true, but again, Thomas Sowell has studied the issue extensively and found blacks were improving in both income and education right up to the great society programs of the 60s.

Sowell has a lot of opinions that don’t correlate with facts/reality.

 

[j brown's body]

Actually I think the fact that whites enslaved blacks and used concepts like noblesse oblige to govern their continent suggests the complete opposite.

At times, black slaves and white indentured servants were in rebellion together.

The planters drew a legal distinction between them and gave whires privileges to drive them apart.

As we see here in many posts, the racist idea of whites (culture) being superior to blacks is still with us today.

 

[pedex]

That's true, but again, Thomas Sowell has studied the issue extensively and found blacks were improving in both income and education right up to the great society programs of the 60s.

indeed

 

[aociswundumho]

By this logic, we could say it had nothing to do with the great society and everything to do with the civil rights movement.

That's true, but I'm not posting the entire argument about how he goes about showing causality.

 

[Gozaburo]

At times, black slaves and white indentured servants were in rebellion together.

Well sure, but that was more of a pragmatic measure. The Irish still adhered to the miscegenation laws in place after slavery.

The narrative that tribalism is an artificial social construct made by the "capitalists" and "elites" is largely bullshit. Human beings are inherently tribal, our job is to figure out how to overcome that tendency and cooperate.

 

[j brown's body]

Today’s “disparities” can largely be attributed to government/societal sanctioned oppression and neglect that continued for a very long time after the Civil War.

Anyone here want to argue that Jews are superior to gentiles the way they're arguing that whites are superior to blacks?

I doubt it.

 

[Tettsuo]

Well sure, but that was more of a pragmatic measure. The Irish still adhered to the miscegenation laws in place after slavery.

The narrative that tribalism is an artificial social construct made by the "capitalists" and "elites" is largely bullshit. Human beings are inherently tribal, our job is to figure out how to overcome that tendency and cooperate.

Just to check... are you saying the creation of tribes is automatically delineated by race?

 

[j brown's body]

Well sure, but that was more of a pragmatic measure. The Irish still adhered to the miscegenation laws in place after slavery.

The narrative that tribalism is an artificial social construct made by the "capitalists" and "elites" is largely bullshit. Human beings are inherently tribal, our job is to figure out how to overcome that tendency and cooperate.

Ibrahim Kendi addresses this point accurately.

"I was taught the popular folktale of racism: that ignorant and hateful people had produced racist ideas, and that these racist people had instituted racist policies. But when I learned the motives behind the production of many of America’s most influentially racist ideas, it became quite obvious that this folktale, though sensible, was not based on a firm footing of historical evidence. Ignorance/hateracist ideasdiscrimination: this causal relationship is largely ahistorical. It has actually been the inverse relationship—racial discrimination led to racist ideas which led to ignorance and hate. Racial discriminationracist ideasignorance/hate: this is the causal relationship driving America’s history of race relations."

I'm simply pointing out that the division between whites and blacks had to be created by law because it didn't happen naturally.

At the time, the "tribes" were divided by religion: the settlers Christians versys the heathen Natives.

Slaves converting to Christianity created a problem.

Once slavery was based on race, for the first time in western history, the status of the offspring was determined by who the mother, not the father, was, in order to keep race the determine factor of slavery.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

So where are the homicidal Mexican and Salvadoran gangbangers listed? That’s right: they’re considered “white people” under the FBI’s reporting system, since it doesn’t classify “Hispanic” as a race but an ethnicity.

Your ignorance is anything but funny.

Table 43

ucr.fbi.gov

 

[Ahlevah]

Absurd nonsense. The only refuge you have when the scientific evidence is against you.

If “science” told a progressive to burn his grandmother at the stake he would do it. They’re completely devoid of common sense. Releasing “fathers” from prison and not holding them accountable for the crimes they commit so they can stay home and be parents and role models for their kids is a stupid idea. It’s ideas like this one, along with “bail reform,” sanctuary cities, open borders, and unlimited free needles for drug addicts camped out on public sidewalks that put Donald Trump in the White House. President Trump thanks them.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Anyone here want to argue that Jews are superior to gentiles the way they're arguing that whites are superior to blacks?

I doubt it.

Not me.

 

[Gozaburo]

Just to check... are you saying the creation of tribes is automatically delineated by race?

Not always race, but ethnic group and geography, yes.

 

[LostInSeattle]

To be fair, I do think there is something to the conservative claim of hardship being what you make of it.

For example, you have ethnic groups like Ashkenazi Jews, Slavs, and Han Chinese who endured brutal oppression over sustained periods of time in recent centuries. I'd argue these ethnic groups - in terms of sheer numbers - faced far greater levels of hardship than American blacks at different points of history. Curiously the aforementioned ethnic groups - Han & Askhenazi in particular - are some of the most successful in the US and worldwide today. What's maybe even more relevant is these groups managed that success in an environment without protracted progressive lobbying for their success. It was done through sheer will and guile alone.

I get that's somewhat of an oversimplification, but it's some food for thought.

Yes, I think it is an oversimplification, in part because those groups dispersed more or less culturally intact, in family groups, with traditions and history maintained. African slaves were ripped from their communities, thrown together in groups where no one knew each other, everyone spoke different languages and dialects, and there were likely few common traditions or teachings. These people had to start from scratch, and they had to do so as slaves, with no control over the direction of their lives. Any traditions they might have recalled they often couldn't pass on to their children because those children were taken from them and sold off to someone else.

If you stop and think about the wrenching impact of a complete loss of cultural identity and social cohesion on a people, followed by generations of slavery that made it incredibly difficult to rebuild any kind traditions, followed then by decades of discrimination as a free people, it helps to understand the challenges still faced by some African-American communities.

 

[LostInSeattle]

Anyone here want to argue that Jews are superior to gentiles the way they're arguing that whites are superior to blacks?

I doubt it.

As a Jew, I don't feel the need to. I'm comfortable in my superiority.