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Black violent crime rate 3 times that of whitess

Cope said:
Affirmative action started in the 60's , that is at a minimum 2 generations (working/college age individuals, and most likely 3)
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60 years. Meanwhile, we have white families with hundreds of years of a head start. The generational wealth has barely begun to flow into black communities, whereas white communities have been accumulating generational wealth for centuries.

It often can take 5 generations to overcome poverty within the US.
 
Tettsuo said:
It's not just poverty; it's also the proximity to others with wealth. Having poor people living right next to people who have ignites something in the human psyche.
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I think you have a very good point. I read something years ago about how wealth disparity drives envy which fuels poor social behavior. I read some studies about people who have strong feelings of envy. They studied two groups; one whose economic condition was improved to the level of the haves they envied. And another in which the group of haves was brought down to their economic level. Both studied groups were almost equally satisfied.
 
pedex said:
They have all the opportunity. But choose not to. I've seen it first hand too many times.
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Why is that, do you think? Why do so many people choose to throw their lives away? Why don't they yearn for anything better?
 
Questerr said:
So you believe they should live, but because you don’t approve of their lifestyle, you don’t believe their living conditions should be very good so they aren’t “incentivized”?
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It’s not about what I approve of, it’s about what’s good for civilization. Single parent households are dysfunctional objectively speaking.

We should disincentivize this social structure just like we disincentivize other negative social pathologies and structures.

This isn’t difficult to grasp.
 
pedex said:
Poverty is a symptom. Again self inflicted. Other minorities don't seem to have this problem.
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No, it isn’t. Poverty is the cause. The scientific studies done on the topic are in agreement.

Other poor minorities do have the same problem. Poor white people are also more likely to be criminals than affluent white people… unless the crime is stealing from one’s workers. For some reason, rich white people commit wage theft at rates massively higher than any other part of the population.

Using conservative logic, it must be because white people are naturally predisposed to stealing from workers, or maybe white culture is pro-wage theft.
 

They are dysfunctional precisely because of the economic conditions they impose. Correct those conditions and they are no longer dysfunctional to society.
 
Gozaburo said:
Do I think we should incentivize it, or create an aspirational social class out of it? Absolutely not
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Can you show where an “aspirational class” has been created around being a single Mom?

I know single mothers…none of them ever WANTED to be in that situation.

They’re single mothers because quite frankly, a lot of men are just useless
 
Irredentist said:
If it were possible for black Americans to bring themselves up to the same standards as the rest of the country, don't you think they would have done it by now?
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Not with white knights/black leaders/talking heads blaming all the black community problems on others.

They don't think they need to do anything because they've been told it isn't their fault.

When they actually start to figure out that a lot of their issues are their own fault, then, and only then will the change happen. This is why strong black leaders need to stand up, and pronounce this loudly. Whomever the current crop is that will be heard.
This starts when the Democrats stop attempting to excuse and coddle them and use them as a political tool, as if they were children, too stupid or unable to make the changes they need to make ANd those black leaders start preaching the benefits of the change, instead of blame others.
 
Cope said:
Ok, I'll take you at your word.
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You don't need to "take my word". Read the post I quoted in my original response. Then read the post that post quoted.

Simple.
 
Irredentist said:
Why is that, do you think? Why do so many people choose to throw their lives away? Why don't they yearn for anything better?
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If you have no future how would you act? And if youre raised to act that way then what?

I worked with an all black crew for years. Lots of things stuck out. No savings. They refuse to save for the future. Govt aid is endemic and is part of life. Family structure destroyed and long gone. Live day to day hand to mouth and refusing to assimilate is a sort of badge of honor. I don't have all the answers. Just what I've seen. I've even tried to help.
 
This thread played out exactly as I thought it would, the popcorn being made was validated.

Multiple things can be true, all at the same time.

The further you go down the income quintiles the more likely you will find higher crime rate, various minorities statistically and disproportionally end up in those lower income quintiles thus experience higher crime rates, by proportion the socioeconomic impact of so many of the nation in some phase of the criminal justice system in comparison to similar nations ends up cyclic and self-defeating.

Any one person from any ethnicity and economic background can excel, the same is true in falling economically and socially. Crime occurs at every income quintile to some degree. But not all crime is equal, not all crime has the same impact on society, and not everyone has the same treatment regardless of economic background by law enforcement and the criminal justice system.

These are objective truths, so it comes down to statistics and we know, with certainty, that economic vulnerability tends to breed poor social choices as well as criminal activity. Does not mean that everyone poor is bad and everyone wealthy is good, far from it.

Just means that opening with "black violence crime rate is 3 times that of white (violence crime rate)" intentionally distorts all other factors to make a point based entirely on prejudice.

There is this invalid theory that sociological influences ethnicity to ethnicity, or culture to culture, is the reason. It is the other way around, economic function and disproportionate upward mobility over the longer term generates sociological influences and the prevalence of resorting to criminal activity by percentage.
 
Gozaburo said:
It’s both.
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I'm in a rural area. I do make well north of 6 figures.

I can only definitely speak for me. I don't care what color you are but don't bring gangs, drugs, and crime to my neighborhood, or I will care.

I don't disagree that for some small subset of the country it IS the color of skin, but I can guarantee you if the behaviors didn't follow, they would be welcomed whole sale by the other 99%
 

You could have said the same thing about Irish and Italian immigrants a century ago.

It’s economics that drives it.
 

Congratulations on your privilege.
 
Questerr said:
You could have said the same thing about Irish and Italian immigrants a century ago.

It’s economics that drives it.
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Except you don't find the same behaviors amongst all ethnic groups with dark skin. And most them show up quite poor. What makes them different? Culture.
 
pedex said:
Except you don't find the same behaviors amongst all ethnic groups with dark skin. And most them show up quite poor. What makes them different? Culture.
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What, specifically, in their culture makes you feel blacks are inferior to whites?
 
pedex said:
Except you don't find the same behaviors amongst all ethnic groups with dark skin. And most them show up quite poor. What makes them different? Culture.
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Hispanics and African Americans in America have similar poverty and crime rates, so yes you do.
 

You think gangs, drugs and crime is what black culture is?
 
Questerr said:
Hispanics and African Americans in America have similar poverty and crime rates, so yes you do.
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No actually you don't. Blacks are disproportionately imprisoned far more and far more likely to be involved in violent crime with each other.
 
pedex said:
No actually you don't. Blacks are disproportionately imprisoned far more and far more likely to be involved in violent crime with each other.
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That has to do with racist policies of the past still having an effect on our justice system.
 
tshade said:
It is a bit more than that-----------Whites have a LOT to do with it all
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BS. Quit playing the victim card. It’s well overplayed
 
pedex said:
I doubt it but ok.
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Many studies on that topic too. All things being equal, black people receive harsher sentences than white people do with no justification other than racism.

They get disproportionately imprisoned because white people are more likely to get probation or similar sentences for the same crimes.
 
It seems to me like you're kinda doing the same thing though. You're shifting the blame onto politicians and community leaders; as if it's really their fault that black communities are in the dumpster. It's not. Black communities have never been equal to the rest of the country; not once throughout our entire national history. It's always been like this. And the truth is, not enough people want that to change to make any meaningful difference.
 
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