Black Group Forms To Protect Statues

[Geoist]

People fought on opposing sides in a developing nation but I get that you're so much better than anyone who lived during that time, so, by all means, let us know which vestiges of our past are acceptable and which aren't.

Oh, please excuse me for sitting on my high-horse and declaring the defense of the slave system to be morally reprehensible. :roll:

I assume you think the Lincoln monument should go since Lincoln didn't pursue those evil war criminals to their extinction, and even had sympathy and friends among them.

Lol, oh yes, and I think all crucifixes should be melted down because Jesus forgave the sinners. Stop being ridiculous.

 

[DamnYankee]

I didn't say they were erected in the US. Please keep up, here. Many monuments/statues/memorials were erected to awful powers. Many have been removed. Should they not have been removed? Should the Germans have kept their Swastikas prominently displayed? Should the Ukrainians have kept up statues of a tyrant who murdered their people?

Yeah. This is America, not some foreign country. Pay attention. If I were talking about some foreigners, then I would have said so. Try to follow along.

 

[Geoist]

Yeah. This is America, not some foreign country. Pay attention. If I were talking about some foreigners, then I would have said so. Try to follow along.

And why can't we relate their experience to what is happening here? You didn't answer my question: Should the Germans have kept their Swastikas prominently displayed 'for the sake of history?'

 

[X Factor]

Oh, please excuse me for sitting on my high-horse and declaring the defense of the slave system to be morally reprehensible. :roll:




Lol, oh yes, and I think all crucifixes should be melted down because Jesus forgave the sinners. Stop being ridiculous.

No, seriously, according to you, they're the exact same as Nazis. You would have been ok with forgiving the Nazis and "letting them up easy"?

 

[Chillfolks]

But I also referred to far leftist monuments, so it evens out, right? Please tell me why the statue of a traitor who fought for the slave system should remain standing on public grounds.

Lee has had his strategies studied and used by later generals to achieve victory. Lee was a brilliant military architect and some of his forts pre and during the civil war are still standing. Lee was able to discuss terms of surrender and achieve an end even when the confederate power structure wanted to go on. Lee set an example of how to heal after the war and was able to prevent many small guerilla bands from continuing the war.

 

[apdst]

They will probably be called uncle Tom's or have their blackness question the way Obama did from some black community leaders.

They'll be race traitors. Liberals can't stand it when black folks leave the plantation.

 

[vegas giants]

Lee has had his strategies studied and used by later generals to achieve victory. Lee was a brilliant military architect and some of his forts pre and during the civil war are still standing. Lee was able to discuss terms of surrender and achieve an end even when the confederate power structure wanted to go on. Lee set an example of how to heal after the war and was able to prevent many small guerilla bands from continuing the war.

Hitler was a great speaker and made the trains run on time. Don't be ridiculous

 

[Geoist]

No, seriously, according to you, they're the exact same as Nazis. You would have been ok with forgiving the Nazis and "letting them up easy"?

I didn't say they were the "exact same as Nazis." I have no interest in the "who was more evil" argument. Both sides were evil and neither should be glorified.

 

[Chillfolks]

Hitler was a great speaker and made the trains run on time. Don't be ridiculous

Thanks for your comment, but I already know we will not agree on this issue and see no reason to keep talking in circles with you.

 

[Geoist]

Lee has had his strategies studied and used by later generals to achieve victory. Lee was a brilliant military architect and some of his forts pre and during the civil war are still standing. Lee was able to discuss terms of surrender and achieve an end even when the confederate power structure wanted to go on. Lee set an example of how to heal after the war and was able to prevent many small guerilla bands from continuing the war.

Where did I say Lee should not be studied?

 

[vegas giants]

Thanks for your comment, but I already know we will not agree on this issue and see no reason to keep talking in circles with you.

Then feel free to stop

 

[Chillfolks]

Where did I say Lee should not be studied?

Then we have some common ground to agree on at least.

 

[Lovebug]

It's nice to see someone admit that a statue can be an educational tool. That we can learn something, overcome adversity, and grow.

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People need to stop freaking out about our history. They also need to stop pretending that they are against hatred when all they do is hate others for having an opinion different then theirs.

 

[Fishking]

A museum? Seriously? Context, my friend. The Lee statue is meant for glorification. Auschwitz was not left for that purpose.

You asked, I provided. Now you're complaining that i fulfilled your request? I guess some people can never be pleased.

 

[Fishking]

I'm not familiar of any Nero or Caligula statues prominently displayed in front of Italian courthouses.

Do you think the Allies were wrong in removing Nazi monuments?

Not particularly, we were the conquerors after all.

 

[Geoist]

You asked, I provided.

And I do not understand the relevance to the topic. The problem is with Confederate monuments placed in a glorified position on public lands. That is not the case with Auschwitz, which was a location and was turned into a museum.

 

[Geoist]

Not particularly, we were the conquerors after all.

Alright, and was the Confederacy not 'conquered?'

 

[Fishking]

Alright, and was the Confederacy not 'conquered?'

Yup...and then statues were allowed to be put up.

 

[X Factor]

I didn't say they were the "exact same as Nazis." I have no interest in the "who was more evil" argument. Both sides were evil and neither should be glorified.

How about treated gently as Lincoln did? Evil should be eradicated not given a seat at the table, right? Lincoln didn't even try to destroy these evil people, even had frikkin' sympathy for them. Surely you're not ok with that. Are you equally as excusing of Nazi sympathizers such that you'd support a a large statue in their honor? I very much doubt you wouldn't judge someone harshly who was all, we just need to forgive them, after all, judgment is your thing.

Even though you brought up the whole Nazi thing, I can sure understand your desire to get away from it now given your own believed superiority is crumbling around you as you excuse the actions and words of a confederate sympathizer.

 

[Skeptic Bob]

I'm not aware of "Nazi and Stalin" statues being erected anywhere. But let's say there were. So what? This woman, Sandra Crenshaw, isn't frightened by Robert E. Lee, why are you?

Ms. Crenshaw is a walking strawman. She also said:

“Some people think that by taking a statue down, that’s going to erase racism,” said Crenshaw. “Misguided.”

Who? WHO thinks that?

 

[cpwill]

Should we have kept the Nazi and Stalinist statues/symbols standing, too? You know, as 'educational tools?'

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Might have been a better point if we didn't, actually, have statues of murderous Socialists/Communists hanging around.

...and decorating chic t-shirts

 

[Geoist]

Yup...and then statues were allowed to be put up.

And now they are being rightly removed.

 

[Geoist]

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Might have been a better point if we didn't, actually, have statues of murderous Socialists/Communists hanging around.

You might have had a point if I actually defended statues of murderous communists...

Btw, I never said all communist statues have been removed, only that some areas/countries have removed them.

 

[Geoist]

How about treated gently as Lincoln did? Evil should be eradicated not given a seat at the table, right? Lincoln didn't even try to destroy these evil people, even had frikkin' sympathy for them. Surely you're not ok with that. Are you equally as excusing of Nazi sympathizers such that you'd support a a large statue in their honor? I very much doubt you wouldn't judge someone harshly who was all, we just need to forgive them, after all, judgment is your thing.

They were 'brothers.' When your brother has wronged you it is easier to forgive him than it is a stranger. Lincoln believed the best way to heal the wounds of the war and reunite the country was to forgive and move on. WWII was another scenario entirely. Still don't understand how this leads up to your point about why we should have statues glorifying the Confederacy on public grounds.

Even though you brought up the whole Nazi thing, I can sure understand your desire to get away from it now given your own believed superiority is crumbling around you as you excuse the actions and words of a confederate sympathizer.

I am all for this debate continuing. You are looking sillier and sillier as we go.

 

[DamnYankee]

People need to stop freaking out about our history. They also need to stop pretending that they are against hatred when all they do is hate others for having an opinion different then theirs.

I agree. If the left was so against hate, why don't they dismantle their party which was born from hate, slavery, racism, Jim Crow, etc.? Instead they pursue statues? Memorials? Has the leftists come out and disavowed their hate against people that disagree with them? I don't think so.