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Black Americans Invented Memorial Day

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Through the fog of history several groups lay claim to the invention of Memorial Day.To some extent that is because the holiday has had different names.To some extent,the fame of starting one of America's great traditions is irresistible.A group of Black Americans has as much of a claim.or better,than anyone else's.

Read the article here:Black Americans Invented Memorial Day - 24/7 Wall St.

I don't have any first-hand information on this,but this sounds like a pretty good claim.

What does anyone else have to say?
 

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Through the fog of history several groups lay claim to the invention of Memorial Day.To some extent that is because the holiday has had different names.To some extent,the fame of starting one of America's great traditions is irresistible.A group of Black Americans has as much of a claim.or better,than anyone else's.

Read the article here:Black Americans Invented Memorial Day - 24/7 Wall St.

I don't have any first-hand information on this,but this sounds like a pretty good claim.

What does anyone else have to say?

What happened to Rememberance Day, November 11? I haven't been paying attention- isn't it observed in the US?
 

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What happened to Rememberance Day, November 11? I haven't been paying attention- isn't it observed in the US?



Veteran's Day,November 11 celebrates the service of all military veterans.

Memorial Day,last Monday in May, honors those who died while in military service.
 

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Through the fog of history several groups lay claim to the invention of Memorial Day.To some extent that is because the holiday has had different names.To some extent,the fame of starting one of America's great traditions is irresistible.A group of Black Americans has as much of a claim.or better,than anyone else's.

Read the article here:Black Americans Invented Memorial Day - 24/7 Wall St.

I don't have any first-hand information on this,but this sounds like a pretty good claim.

What does anyone else have to say?

It sounds just as plausible as the other claims.


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It's Memorial Day. Why is there a sudden desire to politicize it?
 

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Do we have to hyphenate it now to be politically correct?



How would you hyphenate Memorial Day?

Fill us in.

:lol:


I predict that a hundred years from now we'll look back on this day and cry.

Some people will keep trying to separate us,no matter how much others promote tolerance and togetherness.
 
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What happened to Rememberance Day, November 11? I haven't been paying attention- isn't it observed in the US?

You mean Armistice Day, which turned into Veteran's Day?
 

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Is it not an American holiday made by Americans? Who cares about what the colour of their skin is, or where their great grandparents came from or what religion they have? Are they not all American? Why does almost everything have to do with ethnicity, race or religion in the US ? It is a holiday, made by Americans for Americans to honour something that Americans have done.. regardless of race, ethnicity or religion.
 

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Is it not an American holiday made by Americans? Who cares about what the colour of their skin is, or where their great grandparents came from or what religion they have? Are they not all American? Why does almost everything have to do with ethnicity, race or religion in the US ? It is a holiday, made by Americans for Americans to honour something that Americans have done.. regardless of race, ethnicity or religion.

America is comprised of many different nationalities and heritages. There's nothing wrong about celebrating our differences. But yes, this holiday has nothing to do with the differences, but the fact that all of the soldiers died fighting for America. No matter what their skin color was.
 

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America is comprised of many different nationalities and heritages. There's nothing wrong about celebrating our differences. But yes, this holiday has nothing to do with the differences, but the fact that all of the soldiers died fighting for America. No matter what their skin color was.

Yes there is a problem with celebrating it, considering your racist history and problems with racism even today.
 

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Yes there is a problem with celebrating it, considering your racist history and problems with racism even today.

Easy to say coming from a nation of almost 90% Danish descent. Our country has a vast amount of different people groups. We are all different in ways. If you think there's something wrong about celebrating different aspects of different people groups you sound like the real racist.
 

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Easy to say coming from a nation of almost 90% Danish descent.

You see that is your problem.. you categorize everything by "descent".. who the **** cares? It all depends on how far you go back. I have Jewish, Catholic, Polish, German, and god knows what else "ancestry" in me. But so what? I am Danish, I have a Danish passport... that is what matters, not that my great great great great great grandmother fled what is now Germany due to Catholic-Protestant religious wars of the 1500s and was of royal blood.. great for stories, but does it matter? Of course not. Or that at some point a Polish immigrant married into the family.. so what...!

Our country has a vast amount of different people groups. We are all different in ways. If you think there's something wrong about celebrating different aspects of different people groups you sound like the real racist.

Are they not all Americans? And yes it can be wrong, because to continues a racist past in dividing up your citizens according to race. This in turn fuels the racism in the 21st century, because people are divided up based on race (even fake race like Hispanic) on everything.. That all your statistics are racially based, that people still identify as "African American", "Asian-American" or similar.. is a problem. You are Americans, and yet the African/Asian/Irish/Jewish/Muslim goes before being an American? Are Americans ashamed of being American and have to cling to so sort of ancestral link that could be 300+ years old?

I dont call my self a Christian Danish, and we dont call people Black Danish or Asian Danish.. why? Because it does not matter.

So when this thread was started with "Black Americans" in the thread... it only emphasises the racism problem in America. Is it at all relevant that a couple of black Americans invented the holiday? No.. it was Americans that did it.. that is all that matters. That they were black, white, red, blue, green or yellow.. is absolutely irrelevant. And to make the problem even worse in my opinion, the fact that it was "black Americans" and not their actual names..... why dont we know their names if true? Guess.. racism, because who the hell cared (or for some cares) about the names of some slaves who might have started this holiday back in the day... their skin colour seems more important.

Let me ask you this... a Jewish German immigrant invented the theory of relativity. I know his name, but is it not a bit insulting not to mention his name, but that some white Jewish German immigrant to the US did it? Or that some ugly tall possibly gay white Christian guy freed the slaves in the US.. get the idea?
 

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Is it not an American holiday made by Americans? Who cares about what the colour of their skin is, or where their great grandparents came from or what religion they have? Are they not all American? Why does almost everything have to do with ethnicity, race or religion in the US ? It is a holiday, made by Americans for Americans to honour something that Americans have done.. regardless of race, ethnicity or religion.

Why, yes, and until this thread, I'd never once wondered about who takes the "credit" for "inventing" Memorial Day. There are some folks who fixate on race, but there are many more who don't.

And today is a good day to think about how irrespective of their backgrounds, there are men and women willing to lay down their lives so that we have the freedom today to sit around and talk idly about idle stuff like this.
 

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I think the "credit" belongs to those who made the sacrifice. Whether we remember or not - well, that's a reflection of us as a people.
 

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Why, yes, and until this thread, I'd never once wondered about who takes the "credit" for "inventing" Memorial Day. There are some folks who fixate on race, but there are many more who don't.

And today is a good day to think about how irrespective of their backgrounds, there are men and women willing to lay down their lives so that we have the freedom today to sit around and talk idly about idle stuff like this.

Greetings, nota bene. :2wave:


Very well said! :thumbs: :2usflag:
 

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I think the "credit" belongs to those who made the sacrifice. Whether we remember or not - well, that's a reflection of us as a people.

Our town holds a parade, and it's very solemn. We have not forgotten. :2usflag:
 

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I don't have any first-hand information on this,but this sounds like a pretty good claim.

What does anyone else have to say?

If this is what lead to the eventual formation of memorial day then yes it would be a "pretty good claim", but there is no information saying it did.
As there is historical information that says it evolved from something else, this isn't a "pretty good claim".
 

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You see that is your problem.. you categorize everything by "descent".. who the **** cares? It all depends on how far you go back. I have Jewish, Catholic, Polish, German, and god knows what else "ancestry" in me. But so what? I am Danish, I have a Danish passport... that is what matters, not that my great great great great great grandmother fled what is now Germany due to Catholic-Protestant religious wars of the 1500s and was of royal blood.. great for stories, but does it matter? Of course not. Or that at some point a Polish immigrant married into the family.. so what...!



Are they not all Americans? And yes it can be wrong, because to continues a racist past in dividing up your citizens according to race. This in turn fuels the racism in the 21st century, because people are divided up based on race (even fake race like Hispanic) on everything.. That all your statistics are racially based, that people still identify as "African American", "Asian-American" or similar.. is a problem. You are Americans, and yet the African/Asian/Irish/Jewish/Muslim goes before being an American? Are Americans ashamed of being American and have to cling to so sort of ancestral link that could be 300+ years old?

I dont call my self a Christian Danish, and we dont call people Black Danish or Asian Danish.. why? Because it does not matter.

So when this thread was started with "Black Americans" in the thread... it only emphasises the racism problem in America. Is it at all relevant that a couple of black Americans invented the holiday? No.. it was Americans that did it.. that is all that matters. That they were black, white, red, blue, green or yellow.. is absolutely irrelevant. And to make the problem even worse in my opinion, the fact that it was "black Americans" and not their actual names..... why dont we know their names if true? Guess.. racism, because who the hell cared (or for some cares) about the names of some slaves who might have started this holiday back in the day... their skin colour seems more important.

Let me ask you this... a Jewish German immigrant invented the theory of relativity. I know his name, but is it not a bit insulting not to mention his name, but that some white Jewish German immigrant to the US did it? Or that some ugly tall possibly gay white Christian guy freed the slaves in the US.. get the idea?

I guess you've touched on why so many in the US today are pushing back against the politically correct forces who have created the divisions you write of. Without these divisions being promoted and highlighted, the liberal/socialist progressives would have little message and power.

Most probably don't understand the current PC agenda got it's boost from the original airing of "Roots" back in 1977. From that acclaimed mini-series, "African-American" was promoted by the activists, regardless of actual ancestral homelands. From there, the intellectually vacant have added all sorts of PC labels to further divide and consolidate power.

On this day in the US, we seek to memorialize those who came before to insure peace and freedom, including the freedom of a small but vocal minority to be colossally warped in their thinking and hopes for a Nation they will never experience.
 

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Reading about it it was a beautiful and noble act. If that is the act that inspired Logan to declare the 30th of May as Decoration Day in 1868 or not...who can say.
 

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I guess you've touched on why so many in the US today are pushing back against the politically correct forces who have created the divisions you write of. Without these divisions being promoted and highlighted, the liberal/socialist progressives would have little message and power.

The divisions I talk about go back a very long time and are part of the administrative, political and economic system in the US. Stuff like this does not change overnight, I admit that.. but the fact that (as I pointed out), you label Americans in your statistics based on categories like Black, Hispanic, Asian, White and others... shows that you have a long way to go.

It is not a minor issue. Racism will always exist. But a good example on these boards.. I remember several discussion where things like child mortality rates were actually "cleaned up" by certain Americans.. by removing the black and in some cases the Hispanic population, just to show how great that white America was, and certainly better than those dirty Europeans and Asians.

Most probably don't understand the current PC agenda got it's boost from the original airing of "Roots" back in 1977. From that acclaimed mini-series, "African-American" was promoted by the activists, regardless of actual ancestral homelands. From there, the intellectually vacant have added all sorts of PC labels to further divide and consolidate power.

Eh? Better than calling them with the n word no? Had Roots come out 10 years earlier than most people would still be calling it a n word tv series and so on. You forget that the in-grown racism and segregation was very much part of the US in 1977... only 12 years after the Civil Rights act was forced down the throat of a large portion of the population.

So of course people back then, especially on the black side of American society, would be pushing a more "PC" way of distinguishing between Americans.. since it was very much part of society back then. But before this PC version as you call it, it was White American, Negro American (or worse), Hispanic or others. Since the word Negro was and still is linked to the N word (regardless of actually being accurate), then of course an alternative had to be found.

But that does not change the fact, that there should be no such categorising in the first place!

I for one, would be far more interested to know the names of these men who started this holiday.. not that they were black or blue.
 

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The divisions I talk about go back a very long time and are part of the administrative, political and economic system in the US. Stuff like this does not change overnight, I admit that.. but the fact that (as I pointed out), you label Americans in your statistics based on categories like Black, Hispanic, Asian, White and others... shows that you have a long way to go.

It is not a minor issue. Racism will always exist. But a good example on these boards.. I remember several discussion where things like child mortality rates were actually "cleaned up" by certain Americans.. by removing the black and in some cases the Hispanic population, just to show how great that white America was, and certainly better than those dirty Europeans and Asians.



Eh? Better than calling them with the n word no? Had Roots come out 10 years earlier than most people would still be calling it a n word tv series and so on. You forget that the in-grown racism and segregation was very much part of the US in 1977... only 12 years after the Civil Rights act was forced down the throat of a large portion of the population.

So of course people back then, especially on the black side of American society, would be pushing a more "PC" way of distinguishing between Americans.. since it was very much part of society back then. But before this PC version as you call it, it was White American, Negro American (or worse), Hispanic or others. Since the word Negro was and still is linked to the N word (regardless of actually being accurate), then of course an alternative had to be found.

But that does not change the fact, that there should be no such categorising in the first place!

I for one, would be far more interested to know the names of these men who started this holiday.. not that they were black or blue.

The vast majority of citizens in the United States are completely blind to race. It is the mission of the left to keep the division in the headlines in order to maintain power. That foreign citizens echo the success the left has achieved at pushing this narrative does little to change this fact.

The original airing of Roots proved that all races were interested and accepting. Close to one third of the population watched at least some of the episodes. Of course, the remake, soon to be aired, seeks to alter Alex Haley's message and story, at least from what has been reported. Hollywood is no longer a story teller, but is a narrative pusher. This need to divide by the left is evident as this new "Roots" is airing so near to the next Presidential election. That it is timed to do so should not be considered a coincidence.

For those who also need to push an agenda, the "n" word was a rare, and extremely negative description. Those who used it were chastised and were viewed in the most derogatory manner. This was true for the vast majority of the country.
 

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You mean Armistice Day, which turned into Veteran's Day?

Thanks. Nov. 11 is still Remembrance Day here. Now that you mention it, I'm pretty sure it used to be Armistice Day here, too.
 

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Thanks. Nov. 11 is still Remembrance Day here. Now that you mention it, I'm pretty sure it used to be Armistice Day here, too.



Armistice Day was replaced by "Remembrance Day" in 1931. Until then it was celebrated on Thanksgiving. The change also meant most of the Commonwealth celebrated remembrance on the 11th hour of the 11th day on the 11th month.
 
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