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Bitcoin software provider explaining to Ontario Supreme Court how BTC wallets work and why they can’t freeze them

it can be, but it's generally because people keep or access their BTC wallets on their computer. If you keep it on an external drive, to be accessed online only when you need it, it's pretty much impossible. impractical we'll say.

but all this to get back at truckers?

how about, don't trample our rights?
I'm not justifying the practice in the case of the Ottawa protestors, just contributing my opinion on the technical side of things. The FBI seems to have figured out how to do it.
 
I'm not justifying the practice in the case of the Ottawa protestors, just contributing my opinion on the technical side of things. The FBI seems to have figured out how to do it.
all i know is if the left supports these tactics, simply because they view the protests as "right wing", then when trump is in power again, and BLM feels like protesting, there's only one other option to escalate crack downs on protests.
 
Here is their website.

Here is what they sent to the Ontario Supreme Court:

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It's going to be very interesting to see how the filthy state adapts when mass adoption of crypto occurs.
Ohyeah. That's going to happen.
Bitcoin and other cryptos will go down as the biggest scam ever, until the next one. All that money lost won't just disappear, it'll simply be relocated.
 
Just like every other fiat currency that has gone down the toilet.

Fiat currencies inflate and deflate in value - no argument there. That's not the bone of contention. The question is, what does BTC offer, what does memecoin offer, that another government-backed currency doesn't? If your argument is that the USD could decline in value, there's no debate - it could. But BTC isn't what investors will be rushing for; they'll be rushing for a combination of equities, bonds, commodities, and ultimately, a newer reserve currency.

No it isn't. Not literally or even figuratively.

Then what other value does any currency - USD, JPY, RMB - have?

Mate, please. You're embarrassing yourself with how little you know about economics.
 
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then mine Ethereum! Or dogecoin!

For what purpose? lol

hell, there are still people in china who take crypto.

Sure, and there are at least some people on the dark web who buy and sell child pornography, illegal guns, and heroin. You think you're gonna scale that shit? LOL

you can "ban" it, but it's lack of personal data, algorithms, and ease of use, make it impractical for any government to ban it, short of just threatening to "disappear people" who are caught using it.

You laugh out of complete and total ignorance: you have absolutely no clue. You think that what you do on a VPN, TOR, Whatever.Net is private. It is not. Do not confuse anonymity with privacy. Not the same. As someone has already pointed out, the FBI and IRS have already seized crypto. Moreover, governments can just shut down the wallets. Like what the **** are you buying crypto with and convert crypto into - more crypto? LOL! No, more USD, CD, AUD, EURO, JPY, RMB, etc...
 
Fiat currencies inflate and deflate in value - no argument there. That's not the bone of contention. The question is, what does BTC offer, what does memecoin offer, that another government-backed currency doesn't? If your argument is that the USD could decline in value, there's no debate - it could. But BTC isn't what investors will be rushing for; they'll be rushing for a combination of equities, bonds, commodities, and ultimately, a newer reserve currency.



Then what other value does any currency - USD, JPY, RMB - have?

Mate, please. You're embarrassing yourself with how little you know about economics.
Stop comparing BTC to a currency. BTC is not a currency and is literally incapable of becoming one. The transaction rate limit per second can't even theoretically get past two-digits. Visa alone handles thousands.
 
Funny how reality is different than those here promoting crypto accept.

Crypto has already failed as a currency. The only reason that crypto has not completely died is that it is being used as a speculative investment and/or for corruption and crime. That and greedy bastards exploiting crypto for personal gain. The ship has already sailed, big money owns it now and controls how it's used and it's future. The romance has died its over.
 
Stop comparing BTC to a currency. BTC is not a currency and is literally incapable of becoming one. The transaction rate limit per second can't even theoretically get past two-digits. Visa alone handles thousands.
I'm really not. I have other issues with BTC/memecoin bros. Direct your posts to the crypto bros on the forum maybe.
 
The question is, what does BTC offer, what does memecoin offer, that another government-backed currency doesn't?

Crypto is extremely difficult for the state to confiscate. Privacy coins allow people to do business without the state even knowing about it. The tax benefits alone are enormous.

If your argument is that the USD could decline in value, there's no debate - it could. But BTC isn't what investors will be rushing for; they'll be rushing for a combination of equities, bonds, commodities, and ultimately, a newer reserve currency.

Right, after all of the misery caused by the dollar going down the toilet, people will just adopt a new fiat currency in order to repeat the same mistake again.

Statism is a religion, and you are a true believer.

Then what other value does any currency - USD, JPY, RMB - have?

Whatever people think it has.


Stop comparing BTC to a currency. BTC is not a currency and is literally incapable of becoming one. The transaction rate limit per second can't even theoretically get past two-digits. Visa alone handles thousands.

1. That's an engineering problem, which will be solved, just like how Visa solved it.

2. You don't always need speed. For larger transactions, the tax benefits could easily be worth the increased time.
 
Stop comparing BTC to a currency. BTC is not a currency and is literally incapable of becoming one.

So I can't buy something from you and pay you in bitcoin?

I can't work for you and you pay me in bitcoin?
 
1. That's an engineering problem, which will be solved, just like how Visa solved it.
It's not a solvable problem, no. You promote crypto all the time yet you seem uneducated on the technical details. BTC cannot fix this without a hard fork, immediately invalidating all existing coins. This is inherent to the security implementations you crow about so much. Weird that you weren't aware of this.

2. You don't always need speed. For larger transactions, the tax benefits could easily be worth the increased time.
There aren't tax benefits to cryptocurrencies, just tax evasion. If your boss pays you in BTC you are still obligated to pay taxes on the income. Sorry, but you don't get to just decide the law doesn't apply to you.
 
Suffice to say your claim that bitcoin isn't a currency is false.
If it can't scale up to any significant general use, it's not a currency. It's a toy. You might as well trade Pokemon cards.
 
Fiat currencies inflate and deflate in value - no argument there. That's not the bone of contention. The question is, what does BTC offer, what does memecoin offer, that another government-backed currency doesn't? If your argument is that the USD could decline in value, there's no debate - it could. But BTC isn't what investors will be rushing for; they'll be rushing for a combination of equities, bonds, commodities, and ultimately, a newer reserve currency.
'a newer reserve currency'.

However, by the middle of the 20th century, the United States dollar had become the world's dominant reserve currency. The world's need for dollars has allowed the United States government to borrow at lower costs, giving the United States an advantage in excess of $100 billion per year. Wikipedia

That'd be China's currency then?

Biden and the Fed better get after killing off this damaging inflation then, or that might very well be the future ahead.

Then what other value does any currency - USD, JPY, RMB - have?

Mate, please. You're embarrassing yourself with how little you know about economics.
 
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then mine Ethereum! Or dogecoin!

hell, there are still people in china who take crypto. you can "ban" it, but it's lack of personal data, algorithms, and ease of use, make it impractical for any government to ban it, short of just threatening to "disappear people" who are caught using it.
"disappear people" might be just what some in this very forum want the government to do, based on some of what they have posted.
 
You truly believe that there will be a mass adoption of crypto? 50k one day, 35k a week later, per coin? No state backing?

Do you actually think something like bitcoin is going to become a reserve currency?

At most, it'll frustrate law enforcement and provide citizens an easier route to buying quasi-legal stuff ("research chemicals" you're allowed to possess but not use, but you guessed it, people buy to use) or fully legal stuff the government is fighting anyway (kratom). But it also helps genuine big time criminal organizations...

Which isn't necessarily a reason for ordinary users to not ever touch it, but between the instability, the lack of state backing, and what it's actually better at than traditional currency, it's never going to conquer state-backed. Then again, I look on most of B-L Libertarianism as a counterfactual pipe dream.





Big-L Libertarianism: It'd work if people were awesome, but people suck all the available ass. 🤷
Crypto will succeed because it's the purist form of money around - energy spent to unlock information over time. The amount available has limited supply as well. Once it's all mined, that's like saying there's no more gold in the world to get. People argue gold has real utility at least, but that doesn't account for the overwhelming majority of its value in jewelry as a display of wealth from how shiny it is which is literally a reflection of light AKA pure information displayed as energy in an instant of time.

Crypto gets this, and you can't brute force regulate it because that doesn't make sense. The distributed ledgers don't inform you who has what keys to what wallets. Any wallet can be used to transact with a bank account, and people can come up with as many wallets as they want. If you really wanted to, you could literally come up with a new wallet for every transaction you do. People won't do that since it's super messy, but they will do it for major transactions to keep information from being compiled.
 
Government passes a law/issues a decree that says BTC is illegal and punishes people who mine it and trade it.
People will do it anyway since they can't be traced. 90% of all Bitcoin has already been mined btw. The mining phase is almost complete. Tracing energy expenditure to server rooms won't matter for much longer.
 
People will do it anyway since they can't be traced. 90% of all Bitcoin has already been mined btw. The mining phase is almost complete. Tracing energy expenditure to server rooms won't matter for much longer.
Crypto currencies are like going back to the gold standard, i.e. there is a fixed amount of the resource against which the value of products and services are measured and traded.

That crypto currencies are like the gold standard, and can't be traced, can't be manipulated by the political elite, can't be inflated to be made worthless as needed for their advantage by the political elites, it directly threatens the political elites' power and control over the existing monetary system, which is exactly why they are all against crypto currencies.

How long do you want to support, and be part of, a game rigged against you? Bring on the Crypto currencies to fix that, would seem to be the reasonable position.
 
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Crypto currencies are like going back to the gold standard, i.e. there is a fixed amount of the resource against which the value of products and services are measured and traded.

It's not like that at all, because cryptocurrency can be made out of thin air.

That crypto currencies are like the gold standard, and can't be traced, can't be manipulated by the political elite, can't be inflated to be made worthless as needed for their advantage by the political elites, it directly threatens the political elites' power and control over the existing monetary system, which is exactly why they are all against crypto currencies.
They very much can be inflated to be made worthless.
 
Yes, there's no inherent limitation to how many seashells that can be traded globally, per second. There's no scenario in which I have to wait an entire day to hand you a seashell.
That's true.

It's not like that at all, because cryptocurrency can be made out of thin air.


They very much can be inflated to be made worthless.
But the above seem to directly conflict with:
People will do it anyway since they can't be traced. 90% of all Bitcoin has already been mined btw. The mining phase is almost complete. Tracing energy expenditure to server rooms won't matter for much longer.
 
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