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Birth control and gun rights are red meat issues that the parties use to divide us.

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The majority of the moderates in both parties can compromise on both these issues. All abortions after second trimester must be medically justified court approved. All gun owners must be registered similar to concealed carry.
 
Make it like some are trying to do for voting and register everyone to own a gun when they reach a certain age.
 
craig said:
The majority of the moderates in both parties can compromise on both these issues. All abortions after second trimester must be medically justified court approved. All gun owners must be registered similar to concealed carry.
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Not original. Why not blog it?
 
Lursa said:
Not original. Why not blog it?
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Don't know what that means. Just want to insert some common sense into the discussion.
 
craig said:
Don't know what that means. Just want to insert some common sense into the discussion.
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It comes up in nearly every thread discussing those issues.

If it's your opinion you want showcased, blog it.
 
Lursa said:
It comes up in nearly every thread discussing those issues.

If it's your opinion you want showcased, blog it.
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Does anyone read or discuss a "blog".
 
I am a moderate, or center-right, on most issues. I am, however, opposed to registering all gun owners if it makes a privilege out of what is actually a right (ie in any way "discretionary"), or if it works like it does in most states that require it.

Birth control (I assume you mean abortions actually) isn't really a major issue that drives me to vote one way or the other.
 
Those 2 issues are just a way to obfuscate from the real issue which is race. Some whites are terrified that in less than 30 years that they will be in the minority, desperately trying to erase the words of Jefferson "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness".

Jefferson's words are finally coming true for his black descendants, those he enslaved and those of his fellow southerners.
 
craig said:
The majority of the moderates in both parties can compromise on both these issues. All abortions after second trimester must be medically justified court approved. All gun owners must be registered similar to concealed carry.
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I think you overestimate what people of conscious can compromise on. I'd be interested in what a suitable compromise would be for people who believe in abortion. For those against there isn't much to compromise on. Same for gun ownership. Those who believe in the 2nd amendment believe it's a right and not owning guns is pretty much out of the equation.
What does a moderate think is "fair" compromise?
 
craig said:
The majority of the moderates in both parties can compromise on both these issues. All abortions after second trimester must be medically justified court approved. All gun owners must be registered similar to concealed carry.
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False. They are red meat issues that Republicans use to divide us. It is Republican donors who benefit from these divisions, not Democrats.
 
craig said:
The majority of the moderates in both parties can compromise on both these issues. All abortions after second trimester must be medically justified court approved. All gun owners must be registered similar to concealed carry.
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except registration doesn't apply to criminals so it doesn't even meet a rational basis test for crime control. And the federal government doesn't have any proper power to demand it
 
MrWonka said:
False. They are red meat issues that Republicans use to divide us. It is Republican donors who benefit from these divisions, not Democrats.
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another one of our shit don't smell arguments. Democrats use all sorts of issues to divide people. Attacking gun owners, whining about the "wealthy not paying their fair share" and other lies. The democrats have been trying to balkanize America into warring special interest groups sorted by ethnicity for years. The late great David Broder noted that over 30 years ago
 
craig said:
The majority of the moderates in both parties can compromise on both these issues. All abortions after second trimester must be medically justified court approved. All gun owners must be registered similar to concealed carry.
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FFS!! Court approved. A women is in serious life jeapordy but must wait for a judge to approve what only a qualified doctor has the right to judge appropriate.
 
TurtleDude said:
except registration doesn't apply to criminals so it doesn't even meet a rational basis test for crime control. And the federal government doesn't have any proper power to demand it
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Registering a gun has nothing to do with crime control Registering a gun merely makes it so we can know if a gun is stolen nothing more.
 
soylentgreen said:
Registering a gun has nothing to do with crime control Registering a gun merely makes it so we can know if a gun is stolen nothing more.
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registration is demanded by every group that wants to ban or severely limit gun rights. that is a good reason to oppose it. IT DOES NOTHING GOOD FOR A GUN OWNER
 
TurtleDude said:
registration is demanded by every group that wants to ban or severely limit gun rights. that is a good reason to oppose it. IT DOES NOTHING GOOD FOR A GUN OWNER
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Good old fashion slippery slope arguments. if nothing else you will not let go of trying to scare people into thinking that they will take your gun away.
 
craig said:
The majority of the moderates in both parties can compromise on both these issues. All abortions after second trimester must be medically justified court approved. All gun owners must be registered similar to concealed carry.
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That's some compromise. ~1% of abortions would be banned while 100% of gun owners have to be on some government list for no good reason.
 
soylentgreen said:
Good old fashion slippery slope arguments. if nothing else you will not let go of trying to scare people into thinking that they will take your gun away.
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There's nothing wrong with slippery slope arguments, especially when you have direct evidence of a slippery slope actually existing.
 
soylentgreen said:
Good old fashion slippery slope arguments. if nothing else you will not let go of trying to scare people into thinking that they will take your gun away.
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except the slippery slope has been proven true dozens of times including the reduction of magazine limits in NY for example. and the fact is-people hostile to legal gun ownership will continue to attack gun ownership. You pretend that those who want to restrict our rights have only one motivation-and harassing lawful gun ownership is not that motivation. In reality, your posts, as well as many of the posts from other gun restrictionists, display an outright hostility towards legal gun owners-calling us "fetishists" gun "fondlers" etc. To think people who spew this sort of venom are ever going to stop with trying to pass more and more harassing laws is specious
 
TurtleDude said:
registration is demanded by every group that wants to ban or severely limit gun rights. that is a good reason to oppose it. IT DOES NOTHING GOOD FOR A GUN OWNER
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But if we can train the crooks and thugs that are doing most of the killing to drop their guns before they flee, registration may have some marginal value.
 
soylentgreen said:
Registering a gun has nothing to do with crime control Registering a gun merely makes it so we can know if a gun is stolen nothing more.
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How does it allow you to know if a gun is stolen?
 
Chillfolks said:
How does it allow you to know if a gun is stolen?
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can someone tell me what benefit gun owners get from registration? The real purpose of registration is to both facilitate future confiscation by knowing who owns what, and by placing the burden of proof on an owner, rather than the government to prove the (non) possession of a firearm
 
TurtleDude said:
can someone tell me what benefit gun owners get from registration? The real purpose of registration is to both facilitate future confiscation by knowing who owns what, and by placing the burden of proof on an owner, rather than the government to prove the (non) possession of a firearm
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Make it the same way some want to see voting go. You are automatically registered to own a gun at a certain age.
 
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