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Bill to protect special counsels such as Robert Mueller blocked on the Senate floor again

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Bill to protect special counsels such as Robert Mueller blocked on the Senate floor again

A bill that would protect special counsels such as Robert Mueller was once again not allowed a vote on the Senate floor Wednesday.

Republican Sen. Jeff Flake of Arizona and Democratic Sens. Chris Coons of Delaware and Cory Booker of New Jersey attempted to force the vote by unanimous consent, but that meant it could be blocked by just one senator, as Republican Sen. Mike Lee of Utah did Wednesday.​
 

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Bill to protect special counsels such as Robert Mueller blocked on the Senate floor again

A bill that would protect special counsels such as Robert Mueller was once again not allowed a vote on the Senate floor Wednesday.

Republican Sen. Jeff Flake of Arizona and Democratic Sens. Chris Coons of Delaware and Cory Booker of New Jersey attempted to force the vote by unanimous consent, but that meant it could be blocked by just one senator, as Republican Sen. Mike Lee of Utah did Wednesday.​


Lee is doing McConnell’s bidding...........
 

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Senator Lee. Complicit traitor.

Bill to protect special counsels such as Robert Mueller blocked on the Senate floor again

A bill that would protect special counsels such as Robert Mueller was once again not allowed a vote on the Senate floor Wednesday.

Republican Sen. Jeff Flake of Arizona and Democratic Sens. Chris Coons of Delaware and Cory Booker of New Jersey attempted to force the vote by unanimous consent, but that meant it could be blocked by just one senator, as Republican Sen. Mike Lee of Utah did Wednesday.​

Any such bill is grotesquely unconstitutional. The special prosecutor is out of an executive office and Congress has no constitutional jurisdiction to exercise any control of it, no more than the President could not order who anyone in Congress may or may not hire or fire.

It's just ultimately tantrum throwing bad loser Jeff Flake trying to stay relevant and attention whoring his last few weeks. From herein after he'll be on CNN and MSNBC for Democrats.

Guys like Flake are the ultimate back stabbing betrayers. Hundreds of Republican volunteers and thousands of Republican contributors backed him up for years. He now 100% pisses on those Republicans in every little tantrum he throws.
 

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Yawn That bill was never going to pass and is unneeded anyway.
 

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Any such bill is grotesquely unconstitutional. The special prosecutor is out of an executive office and Congress has no constitutional jurisdiction to exercise any control of it, no more than the President could not order who anyone in Congress may or may not hire or fire.

It's just ultimately tantrum throwing bad loser Jeff Flake trying to stay relevant and attention whoring his last few weeks. From herein after he'll be on CNN and MSNBC for Democrats.

Guys like Flake are the ultimate back stabbing betrayers. Hundreds of Republican volunteers and thousands of Republican contributors backed him up for years. He now 100% pisses on those Republicans in every little tantrum he throws.

So trying to protect Mueller means Flake is "Back-stabbing" all Republicans?
 

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Any such bill is grotesquely unconstitutional. The special prosecutor is out of an executive office and Congress has no constitutional jurisdiction to exercise any control of it, no more than the President could not order who anyone in Congress may or may not hire or fire.

It's just ultimately tantrum throwing bad loser Jeff Flake trying to stay relevant and attention whoring his last few weeks. From herein after he'll be on CNN and MSNBC for Democrats.

Guys like Flake are the ultimate back stabbing betrayers. Hundreds of Republican volunteers and thousands of Republican contributors backed him up for years. He now 100% pisses on those Republicans in every little tantrum he throws.

I have no idea if the bolded is true. If it is, why doesn’t Senate Majority Leader McConnell use it?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...ns-block-vote-mueller-protection-bill-n941291
 

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Any such bill is grotesquely unconstitutional. The special prosecutor is out of an executive office and Congress has no constitutional jurisdiction to exercise any control of it, no more than the President could not order who anyone in Congress may or may not hire or fire.

Each Executive department, and the laws governing them, is defined by Congress.
 

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Any such bill is grotesquely unconstitutional. The special prosecutor is out of an executive office and Congress has no constitutional jurisdiction to exercise any control of it, no more than the President could not order who anyone in Congress may or may not hire or fire.

It's just ultimately tantrum throwing bad loser Jeff Flake trying to stay relevant and attention whoring his last few weeks. From herein after he'll be on CNN and MSNBC for Democrats.

Guys like Flake are the ultimate back stabbing betrayers. Hundreds of Republican volunteers and thousands of Republican contributors backed him up for years. He now 100% pisses on those Republicans in every little tantrum he throws.

It's covered by the Constitution:
Article I, Sec 8:

Section 8.

The Congress shall have power to ...

To make rules for the government
and regulation of the land and naval forces;
...
To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.
 

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Yawn That bill was never going to pass and is unneeded anyway.

Sorta like a fire extinguisher, never needed, until there’s a fire. Ounce of prevention..............
 

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So trying to protect Mueller means Flake is "Back-stabbing" all Republicans?

Flake non-stop attacks and 100% against Trump and Republican issues.

It would take 100% of Senator votes which would never happen, so it is just grandstanding. Flake has been campaigning for Democrats ever since he figured out he had no chance for re-election so it is more than just about Mueller.
 

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It's covered by the Constitution:
Article I, Sec 8:

Section 8.

The Congress shall have power to ...

To make rules for the government
and regulation of the land and naval forces;
...
To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

No it doesn't. It does not give Congress any authority over Presidential (executive) officers. What powers it has is specific to what is stated in that section, nothing else. It is not a general power over all of government. If it was, the Supreme Court could never overturn anything Congress does.

Quote what you say allows Congress to prohibit the president from firing one of his employees:

https://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec8.html
 

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Senator Lee. Complicit traitor.

Bill to protect special counsels such as Robert Mueller blocked on the Senate floor again

A bill that would protect special counsels such as Robert Mueller was once again not allowed a vote on the Senate floor Wednesday.

Republican Sen. Jeff Flake of Arizona and Democratic Sens. Chris Coons of Delaware and Cory Booker of New Jersey attempted to force the vote by unanimous consent, but that meant it could be blocked by just one senator, as Republican Sen. Mike Lee of Utah did Wednesday.​

Lee is a piece of pure reeking crap. He is the perfect example of the type of politician who enables authoritarian wanna-be like Trump with his actions kissing their bloated behinds.
 

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Lee is doing McConnell’s bidding...........

And both have their tongues jammed as far as they can up the backside of Trump.

LEE: smells pretty good!.
MCCONNELL: and taste good too!
 

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Any such bill is grotesquely unconstitutional. The special prosecutor is out of an executive office and Congress has no constitutional jurisdiction to exercise any control of it, no more than the President could not order who anyone in Congress may or may not hire or fire.

It's just ultimately tantrum throwing bad loser Jeff Flake trying to stay relevant and attention whoring his last few weeks. From herein after he'll be on CNN and MSNBC for Democrats.

Guys like Flake are the ultimate back stabbing betrayers. Hundreds of Republican volunteers and thousands of Republican contributors backed him up for years. He now 100% pisses on those Republicans in every little tantrum he throws.

Muellers appointment was fundamentally unconstitutional as we now know it was based on false "evidence".
 

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MTAtech said:
It's covered by the Constitution:
Article I, Sec 8:

Section 8.

The Congress shall have power to ...

To make rules for the government
and regulation of the land and naval forces;
...
To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

No it doesn't. It does not give Congress any authority over Presidential (executive) officers. What powers it has is specific to what is stated in that section, nothing else. It is not a general power over all of government. If it was, the Supreme Court could never overturn anything Congress does.

Quote what you say allows Congress to prohibit the president from firing one of his employees:

https://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec8.html
Who says you're the last word in what's constitutional or not? You are merely making assertions.
 

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Its true but the bill would never pass so its a moot point and clogging up the senates time is useless. So why trot it out for political purposes

.....because they are so overworked “seeing to the people’s business.” Politicians haven’t hit an honest lick since the 1950’s or 1960’s.
 

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So trying to protect Mueller means Flake is "Back-stabbing" all Republicans?
Mueller does not need protection and should not be given immunity from being fired if he starts to abuse his position

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Flake non-stop attacks and 100% against Trump and Republican issues.

It would take 100% of Senator votes which would never happen, so it is just grandstanding. Flake has been campaigning for Democrats ever since he figured out he had no chance for re-election so it is more than just about Mueller.

He's voted pretty much lock-step with trump and republicans. so your 100% against trump and republican issues looks a little not right.
 

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Senator Lee. Complicit traitor.

Bill to protect special counsels such as Robert Mueller blocked on the Senate floor again

A bill that would protect special counsels such as Robert Mueller was once again not allowed a vote on the Senate floor Wednesday.

Republican Sen. Jeff Flake of Arizona and Democratic Sens. Chris Coons of Delaware and Cory Booker of New Jersey attempted to force the vote by unanimous consent, but that meant it could be blocked by just one senator, as Republican Sen. Mike Lee of Utah did Wednesday.​

It was never going to pass. They don't want it to pass. Why do you think that they attempted to force the vote the way that they did? Surely you know that they know it only takes one vote to make it go down in flames. If this were to pass then every one of them would be affected also. And at some point they may want to shut down such an investigation into themselves.
 

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He's voted pretty much lock-step with trump and republicans. so your 100% against trump and republican issues looks a little not right.

It never ceases to amaze me how Trump devotees blatantly lie about the voting record of elected officials.

Flake was a Republican his entire life and always voted as one. Trump became a Republican when he realized he would have a good chance of duping Republicans into voting for him.
 

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No it doesn't. It does not give Congress any authority over Presidential (executive) officers. What powers it has is specific to what is stated in that section, nothing else. It is not a general power over all of government. If it was, the Supreme Court could never overturn anything Congress does.

Quote what you say allows Congress to prohibit the president from firing one of his employees:

https://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec8.html

You are either bull****ing or lying and I really don't care to sort out the difference these days. .

As Harshaw pointed out to you, every executive agency is regulated by congress. That should have been enough for you to think "hrm...maybe I should look into this before typing any more."


One could also note that the APA (Administrative Procedure Act) tightly regulates the operations of any and all executive agencies (or if you wish to call them it, "departments"). It also grants judicial review to various agency actions. For example, the lawsuits about repeal of DACA had absolutely nothing to do with the power of EOs the question was instead about whether or not DHS complied with the APA in rescinding the memo that implmented DACA (specifically with regards to its fact-finding procedures or complete lack thereof, in this case).

In fact, without legislative oversight, most agency functions - the quasi-legislative and quasi-judicial functions - would almost certainly be unconstitutional. That is because they make regulations that have the force of law and can rule on violations of those regulations, imposing penalties. The former is deemed "quasi-legislative" authority and the latter "quasi-judicial". Without the APA and similar legislative acts governing executive agencies, the executive could wield the power of all three branches through executive agencies.

That would be untenable. There's even a good argument to be made that the existing arrangement violates the constitution in principle but is nonetheless necessary to the functioning of the country (since congress cannot possibly do all the things executive agencies do). SCOTUS quashed that quite a while back, but that doesn't mean it is logically wrong. Anyway, back on track:




A special prosecutor ('counsel') may be appointed by the president's AG (who leads the DOJ), but that by no means means that he is exempt from congressional oversight. He is overseen by the DOJ, itself an executive agency subject to the APA and various law. He is thus subject to certain regulations in the CMR that grant him authority and define his duties. That is why the appointment letter for Mueller says in part:

(b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confirmed by then-FBI Director James B. Comey in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:

(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and

(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and

(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. s. 600.4(a).

(c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.

(d) Sections 600.4 through 600.10 of Title 28 of the Code of Federal Regulations are applicable to the special counsel.




And to note just one of those regulations, observe:

28 C.F.R. s. 600.4(a):

(a) . . . The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.



That is a regulation, passed by an executive agency created by congress and regulated by congress via the APA (and any other legislation they may make affecting the agency's enabling statute). It governs all special counsel appointed by or through the AG ("DOJ" more broadly); here Rosenstein, because Sessions recused himself.
 
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