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Bill Barr Says Evidence 'Building' Against Trump in DOJ's Jan. 6 Probe

Paradoxical said:
hearings has not yet convinced that there is enough to prove beyond a reasonable shadow of a doubt that the former president committed a crime.

You bolded the wrong thing. I fixed it for you.
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Right, that's why they are subpoenaing trumps inner circle to come before a grand jury.
 
upsideguy said:
Bill Barr was a dangerous man in his own right. As a DoJ official at various times, he pushed the rule of law to the edge of decency perhaps far more than any DoJ guy since John Mitchell. In Donald Trump, however, Barr found a man with zero respect of the rule of law. Although Barr's scruples seemed quite flexible, in Trump he found a man completely devoid of scruples.

No, Barr did not backstab Trump. Trump backstabbed America, which was a bridge to far even for a man like Barr.

All things wrong with Trump, he did to himself. The constant effort to blame everyone around the leader as wrong because they were not "loyal" to the leader is a characteristic of a cult member. Most people people not in the cult see the common denominator as the leader, while cult members can find fault with the leader so they blame everyone else.
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Barr did undermine Trump, but not the way the Trump supporters think.

Barr was the ultimate reason Trump thought he could do and say anything he liked, no matter the rules or the laws. Barr is a disciple of unlimited executive power.

"If the president does it, it's legal."

This enabled and even encouraged the vile Trump behavior that ruined his legacy forever.
 
Paradoxical said:
hearings has not yet convinced that there is enough to prove beyond a reasonable shadow of a doubt that the former president committed a crime.
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That's not the job of the Committee. That one belongs to the DOJ and they are well down that road.
 
CaughtInThe said:
One thing that no one on the right can ever say is that the Department of Justice rushed into indictments.

And you know they would have said it had the DOJ not been thorough.
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Yep. Not holding my breath, but hopeful.

Of course, all the evidence in the world won't convince the Trumpist faithful, and the CEC will keep the bullshit flowing as it continues to make millions off red state men worried about their T levels.
 
lemmiwinx said:
Bill Barr sure is enjoying backstabbing his former boss. Has he come out with his NYT best selling tell all book yet?
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Backstabbing? I think you mean telling the truth.

Was John Dean, Nixon's White House Counsel, who testified before Congress and blew open the entire Watergate scandal a "backstabber" or a patriot, defending America?

Likewise, any former Trump official that blows the whistle on Trump is acting in the service of the United States, which they all took an oath to defend and protect.
 
MTAtech said:
Backstabbing? I think you mean telling the truth.

Was John Dean, Nixon's White House Counsel, who testified before Congress and blew open the entire Watergate scandal a "backstabber" or a patriot, defending America?

Likewise, any former Trump official that blows the whistle on Trump is acting in the service of the United States, which they all took an oath to defend and protect.
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Notice actual corruption in government t by a republican.is ignored or celebrated by the right wing .
 
ouch said:
My bolded words still applies to the tread title. Your bolded words applies to the 1/6 Committee's hearings, in which their investigation has yet to reach a shadow of doubt that DJT committed a crime for some. However, if a court trial had started over a year ago, willing witnesses along with those subpoenaed would have taken the stand. That leads me to believe that solid evidence would have been well established against DJT and his white collar operatives, despite very important text/phone messages and documents removed/destroyed. imo

There's a small chance that the DOJ may still pull this off. In the words of the previous AG Bill Barr - "evidence definitely has been building" against Trump.
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Go peacefully is planning a coup? LOL
 
Paradoxical said:
Go peacefully is planning a coup? LOL
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No, telling them repeatedly to fight like hell and telling them they won't win back their country with weakness is planning a coup. You seem to be the only one fooled by the con. Actually, no, you are just joining the con.
 
mike2810 said:
I suspect what Barr says is true. The evidence is building.

imo, it does not help Trump to continue to spout the election was stolen from him. I have little doubt that Trump action on 1/6 by holding the rally where he did was a major factor in what transpired. Hopefully soon he will no longer be Teflon Don.:giggle:
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Trump has always gotten away with lawlessness by doing it in plain sight. I think this time it is going to backfire on him. America has never wanted to see a President tried for his crimes but he is leaving us no choice by claiming he will run again.
 
Galactic Spin said:
Right, that's why they are subpoenaing trumps inner circle to come before a grand jury.
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They have not yet allowed any opposing witnesses or cross examination. If they had that lady who lied about Trump grabbing the steering wheel would be up on a perjury charge.
 
Callen said:
That's not the job of the Committee. That one belongs to the DOJ and they are well down that road.
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No cross examination No witnesses for the defense. We call that a lynching. In China, they call it a day.
 
lemmiwinx said:
Bill Barr sure is enjoying backstabbing his former boss. Has he come out with his NYT best selling tell all book yet?
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Bill Barr is the reason the Mueller report didnt accuse Trump of anything. Barr, Muellers' boss, said that a sitting President couldnt be indicted and Mueller said that meant it would be 'unfair' to raise charges that couldnt be defended in court.
 
Paradoxical said:
They have not yet allowed any opposing witnesses or cross examination
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Because it isn't a trail, it's a hearing. You get those in a trial.
Paradoxical said:
f they had that lady who lied about Trump grabbing the steering wheel would be up on a perjury charge.
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Based on what, besides fantasy? You seem to be a bit confused about how all of this works. Notice that the people who accused her of lying have lawyered up and refuse to testify under oath. That's what you are basing your overstepped, authoritative declaration on. Basically, intellectual fraud on parade, on your part.
 
Paradoxical said:
No cross examination No witnesses for the defense. We call that a lynching. In China, they call it a day.
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Are you talking about the court trials or a Congressional committee? Because they're not the same thing.
 
Paradoxical said:
No cross examination No witnesses for the defense. We call that a lynching. In China, they call it a day.
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Trump will have his day in court. This is not a court proceeding. It is purely for evidence gathering. There are no cross examinations for a Grand jury either.
 
Something about all this, I’m still unsure the DOJ has it in them to see this through to a charge then a trial. That is a shot on both competence and willingness.
 
ouch said:
Not that this article convinces most members in DP that evidence is building against DJT, because many here already believed that this is the case, but it adds to the fact that Bill Barr keeps tip toeing to the right side of history by letting the public know that he rejected any notion that there was election fraud 2020 while hinting that DJT caused 1/6/21 to take place.

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Speaking to CBS News, Barr gave his assessment on the latest reported developments of the Justice Department's probe, and said recent grand jury subpoenas for high-ranking Trump administration officials are "significant."

"This suggests to me that they're taking a hard look at the group at the top, including the president and the people immediately around him who were involved in this," the legal expert said.

Barr went on to say that he thinks the "evidence definitely has been building" against Trump. However, the former attorney general said that what he's seen from the House select committee investigating the January 6 attack in its publicly televised hearings has not yet convinced that there is enough to prove beyond a reasonable shadow of a doubt that the former president committed a crime. He went on to say that the Justice Department continues to probe the events of January 6.
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I would agree with most if not all of this. The one thing I think is missing from all the public facing evidence is Trump's direct involvement in the capitol attack.

We still have two more hearings to go. And Alex Jones's texts and phone records are not yet in the hands of the committee or the feds. They will be soon.
The Willard War Room was not just for fun. And all the players were there. Stone was in constant contact with Trump. Jones predicted it on his pod cast before it ever happened as did Steve Bannon.

I believe the direct connection lies with Roger Stone, Alex Jones and Michael Flynn. Hopefully when all that is brought to light, we'll have the damning evidence.
 
Galactic Spin said:
Because it isn't a trail, it's a hearing. You get those in a trial.

Based on what, besides fantasy? You seem to be a bit confused about how all of this works. Notice that the people who accused her of lying have lawyered up and refuse to testify under oath. That's what you are basing your overstepped, authoritative declaration on. Basically, intellectual fraud on parade, on your part.
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Link that they refused to testify.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Something about all this, I’m still unsure the DOJ has it in them to see this through to a charge then a trial. That is a shot on both competence and willingness.
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You are correct. America has traditionally not wanted to see ex-Presidents charged with crimes but I think we will need to make and exception with Trump.
 
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