Bilingual Education ( English-Spanish) in USA (1 Viewer)

[EkBalam]

It is needed so baddly!


En los Estados Unidos habitan millones de ciudadanos, residentes e indocumentados hispanohablantes. Millones

Millions!

Several Millions and some stuborns conservatives still think WE are a Monolingual Country! An Only English Country! Is that true? Nah!

Aprenda espa(NH)ol Sin Barreras,.

 

[BodiSatva]

This post is a set-up.
Trying to rile up anti-Immigrant feelings.

On topic perhaps...Immigrants,

im·mi·grant ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-grnt)
n.
A person who leaves one country to settle permanently in another.
A plant or animal that establishes itself in an area where it previously did not exist.

I don't see a lot of immigrants, especially Latinos as wanting to assimilate into America. Down is SoCalifornia, it is the same with the Vietnamese and Latinos.

Why does the DMV have driving tests in 16 languages?
Why can a person take the American Citizenship Test in Spanish?
Why are my tax dollars paying for this?

My family, as all non-Native American families are immigrant.
We came, we assimilated...we stayed and we are American.
We don't wave Mexican flags around...
We speak English 100%.

Bi-Lingual education is a joke.

A nation is defined by it's:

BORDERS
LANGUAGE
CULTURE

Those that disagree, do not want America to be a nation any longer, they want it to be something else...

Protect the borders
Learn English
Integrate into the culture

 

[bandaidwoman]

I believe we should just offer language studies (french, chinese, spanish etc.) at an age when the brain can assimilate languages with great facility (ie: before 9 yrs of age.) I learned four languages before the age of 12 because at that stage our brains are sponges. It doesn't have to be spanish. My daughter's generation needs to become multilinguil to compete in a global economy, wether that is Spanish, or Japanese whatever. (Right now she is learning spanish and mandarin but I have the luxury of putting her in private school.) The public schools in Georgia need to wise up to teaching languages before the age of 12 (after which it is much harder to learn a language). With that said, english should still be the official language.

 

[FallingPianos]

Several Millions and some stuborns conservatives still think WE are a Monolingual Country! An Only English Country! Is that true? Nah!

english speakers still by far outnumber everyone else, and its in everyone's best interest to have only one official language. it would suck to have to learn another language just to speak with people from a different region of the country, like happens in so many other countries.

 

[EkBalam]

Many Mexican-Americans are English speakers. Also some of them are Only-Englisg Monolingual Speakers.
That's sad because the U.S is the third most spanish speaking country of the world after Mexico and Spain. Asi que los que se friegan por ser anglomonolingues son los mismos anglomonolingues necios que se niegan a abrir sus fronteras cognocitivas y mentales!

 

[EkBalam]

Many Mexican-Americans are English speakers. Also some of them are Only-English Monolingual Speakers.
That's sad because the U.S is the third most spanish speaking country of the world after Mexico and Spain. Asi que los que se friegan por ser anglomonolingues son los mismos anglomonolingues necios que se niegan a abrir sus fronteras cognocitivas y mentales!. Regards,

 

[Kelzie]

Many Mexican-Americans are English speakers. Also some of them are Only-English Monolingual Speakers.
That's sad because the U.S is the third most spanish speaking country of the world after Mexico and Spain. Asi que los que se friegan por ser anglomonolingues son los mismos anglomonolingues necios que se niegan a abrir sus fronteras cognocitivas y mentales!. Regards,

I'm not going to tell you again. Stop posting in Spanish.

 

[BodiSatva]

Obviously, you are not the product of, or accepting of, a bi-lingual education...and you are a racist!

 

[EkBalam]

I wouldn't call racist to the people who oppose bilingual education and Cultural Democracy. I rather call them limitated people with borders and walls in their mind.

 

[jfuh]

I wouldn't call racist to the people who oppose bilingual education and Cultural Democracy. I rather call them limitated people with borders and walls in their mind.

Perhaps there should be multi linguistic, however there are many many more cultures and ethnicities in the US other then just those of latin heritages. English is also a much more international language then spanish due to it's grammatical simplicity.

 

[EkBalam]

SPANISH As Latino Language, is more complex than english, not all students in america are able to learn Spanish, if their teachers are monolingual.

Cities like San Antonio, Los Angeles, San Diego, San Jose, El Paso, Tucson, Miami, etc... ahave more Spanish Speaking habitants. than English Speaking.

This is America. But u don't want to believe it.

Open your mental borders, and u will know that we are you and you are us.

 

[jfuh]

SPANISH As Latino Language, is more complex than english, not all students in america are able to learn Spanish, if their teachers are monolingual.

Cities like San Antonio, Los Angeles, San Diego, San Jose, El Paso, Tucson, Miami, etc... ahave more Spanish Speaking habitants. than English Speaking.

This is America. But u don't want to believe it.

Open your mental borders, and u will know that we are you and you are us.

Doesn't really matter, the national language is English.
But just who's you, and who's us?

 

[paulmarkj]

SPANISH As Latino Language, is more complex than english, not all students in america are able to learn Spanish, if their teachers are monolingual.

Spanish is no more difficult to learn than any other language. The idea that students will find it difficult is not right. Millions of Spansh people have learnt the language no matter what their intelligence level.

Every language has its complexities, but all languges evolved through their daily use by ordinary (not necessarily intelligent) people, so the 'design' of each language is simple enough for everyone to learn. It may seem complex, but it is easily within the grasp of 99% of humans.

Some facts about language acquisition:

- It is also wrong to say that languages are easier to learn when you are younger. Studies show that the length of time it takes to learn a languages is the same whatever your age.
- Research has shown it takes about 5-7 years to master a language fully, and that includes children. After a year or two, people can learn the basics and talk what is called 'street' language, but that is a long way from understanding and using all the nuances of the language. 'Street; language is often the level that adults get stuck on because it is enough to get by.
- The ability to learn a language is not closely related to intelligence.
- Learning your first language teaches you about grammar, structure, etc. These core elements of language are used for the next languages you learn - you don't re-learn these elements. It may seem that the structure of Spanish is different to English, but it still consists of of words, verbs, nouns, tenses, adjectives, etc, it is just a matter of order and spelling. I don't want to make it sound simple but it is difficult for us to imagine a world without words, verbs, nouns, etc, we take then for granted, but we had to learn them. When migrating, some families attempt to stop their children from learning their first langauge so that the second, new, language is learn more quickly, but this actually delays acquistion because the chiildren haven't yet fully formed the language structure in their brains. By completing the first language acquisition, the brain has the complete structures in place which can be reused. If a child of, say, 4, switches from Spanish to English, the complexities of grammar have not been learnt, so the child can pick up the basics of English quickly but at the age of 6 will still not have learnt the complexities of grammar she should have learnt at 4.

 

[BodiSatva]

Elkie, I was not talking to you.

 

[easyt65]

It is needed so baddly!


En los Estados Unidos habitan millones de ciudadanos, residentes e indocumentados hispanohablantes. Millones

Millions!

Several Millions and some stuborns conservatives still think WE are a Monolingual Country! An Only English Country! Is that true? Nah!

I would definitely agree that what is needed in this country is more BI-Lingual communication.

Case in point, a new student arrived in my daughter's class last week in public school. The girl is Mexican, her family is one of the 12+ Miillion, and she does not speak a LICK of English...but is here to take advantage of our free public school system. Her family does not speak English. The school is *having to find Spanish-speaking teachers to be able to teach her.
- I have a problem with that. 1st of all, the family in question are ILLEGAL Immigrants, in this country illegally, and part of the 12+ Million who drain some $30-40 MILLION dollars a year more from our economy than they put into it. 2ndly, even though ILLEGAL, they are attending our public school system, paid for by U.S. Tax Payer Money. Not being able to speak English, the school is having to go out of its way to find Spanish speaking teachers just for her. I personally believe that if you are ILLEGAL, are already a drain on the economy, and come to our public schools to receive a free education, then it is your responsibility to at least understand ENGLISH because the public schools are not getting paid to provide Spanish Speaking teachers for ILLEGALS!

In fact, if you are an ILLEGAL and want a free handout from this country, it should be mandatory, IMO, that you speak English. Wy should WE bend over backwards to make it easier for people who are here illegally and who are too lazy or too stuborn to try to learn OUR language to stay here?

You know, when we travel abroad, we have been called the 'Ugly American' because so many of our people refuse to try to learn to speak others' languages. I am told constantly in the military that it is part of my responsibility not only as a member of the military but also as an American that we should learn to speak others' languages...and that is when I am there LEGALLY!

Now you are telling me that we are 'Ugly Americans' because we are asking the criminals who steal across our borders, who take jobs illegally, & who are draining $30 MILLION from our economy yearly to learn to speak OUR language?

THAT is an insult. To me, that is like a criminal walking up, snatching an apple out of my hand, then kicking me in the shin because I said 'You're Welcome' instead of 'De Nada'!

In the case of the girl in my daughter's class and her family, we - the 'Ugly Americans' - are finding her Spanish-speaking teachers. I spent time last night typing up a hole bunch of English-to-Spanish translations so my daughter could befriend the girl and carry on a conversation. My daughter has made an effort to reach out to this girl, to learn her language, and to talk to her in Spanish. So far, however, the girl has made NO effort to say ANYTHING in English!

So, yeah, I would agree whole-heartedly that what we need, what we should DEMAND, is a whole LOT more 'BI' in the 'BI-LINGUAL' Department!

 

[Calm2Chaos]

It is needed so baddly!


En los Estados Unidos habitan millones de ciudadanos, residentes e indocumentados hispanohablantes. Millones

Millions!

Several Millions and some stuborns conservatives still think WE are a Monolingual Country! An Only English Country! Is that true? Nah!

Aprenda espa(NH)ol Sin Barreras,.

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I Hope that was a compelling debate post on my answer to bilingual education. Learn the language either before you move here or while your here. But if you want to have a chance at the american dream you have to do a little work. And part of that in my opinion is learning the language this country was essentially founded on, and the majority of businesses that english is used.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

I would definitely agree that what is needed in this country is more BI-Lingual communication.

Case in point, a new student arrived in my daughter's class last week in public school. The girl is Mexican, her family is one of the 12+ Miillion, and she does not speak a LICK of English...but is here to take advantage of our free public school system. Her family does not speak English. The school is *having to find Spanish-speaking teachers to be able to teach her.
- I have a problem with that. 1st of all, the family in question are ILLEGAL Immigrants, in this country illegally, and part of the 12+ Million who drain some $30-40 MILLION dollars a year more from our economy than they put into it. 2ndly, even though ILLEGAL, they are attending our public school system, paid for by U.S. Tax Payer Money. Not being able to speak English, the school is having to go out of its way to find Spanish speaking teachers just for her. I personally believe that if you are ILLEGAL, are already a drain on the economy, and come to our public schools to receive a free education, then it is your responsibility to at least understand ENGLISH because the public schools are not getting paid to provide Spanish Speaking teachers for ILLEGALS!

In fact, if you are an ILLEGAL and want a free handout from this country, it should be mandatory, IMO, that you speak English. Wy should WE bend over backwards to make it easier for people who are here illegally and who are too lazy or too stuborn to try to learn OUR language to stay here?

You know, when we travel abroad, we have been called the 'Ugly American' because so many of our people refuse to try to learn to speak others' languages. I am told constantly in the military that it is part of my responsibility not only as a member of the military but also as an American that we should learn to speak others' languages...and that is when I am there LEGALLY!

Now you are telling me that we are 'Ugly Americans' because we are asking the criminals who steal across our borders, who take jobs illegally, & who are draining $30 MILLION from our economy yearly to learn to speak OUR language?

THAT is an insult. To me, that is like a criminal walking up, snatching an apple out of my hand, then kicking me in the shin because I said 'You're Welcome' instead of 'De Nada'!

In the case of the girl in my daughter's class and her family, we - the 'Ugly Americans' - are finding her Spanish-speaking teachers. I spent time last night typing up a hole bunch of English-to-Spanish translations so my daughter could befriend the girl and carry on a conversation. My daughter has made an effort to reach out to this girl, to learn her language, and to talk to her in Spanish. So far, however, the girl has made NO effort to say ANYTHING in English!

So, yeah, I would agree whole-heartedly that what we need, what we should DEMAND, is a whole LOT more 'BI' in the 'BI-LINGUAL' Department!

1.) Your right ... have them learn english then they will be bi-lingual... Problem solved

2.)If there illegal they are criminals they should be arrested and jailed or deported

La mami arrepentida de la miel hecha cruzó la frontera ilegalmente

(Sorry honey mommy done crossed the border illegally)

 

[talloulou]

It is needed so baddly!


En los Estados Unidos habitan millones de ciudadanos, residentes e indocumentados hispanohablantes. Millones

Millions!

Several Millions and some stuborns conservatives still think WE are a Monolingual Country! An Only English Country! Is that true? Nah!

Aprenda espa(NH)ol Sin Barreras,.

I agree bring back the ESL classes instead of taking kids who don't speak a word of English and plopping them in the regular class. The idea is that if you put the kids who can't speak any English in the regular class they will pick English up quicker but the fact is it slows everyone down and the teacher has two choices....ignore the fact that the kid in the second row doesn't understand a damn thing she is saying or stop and work only with that kid at the expense of all the other kids.

In my kid's school aides spend almost their entire day working with kids who don't speak English. That must be very costly. I don't blame the non-english speaking kids though. I blame the system that allows this to occur, the government that has decided not to follow the laws on the books regarding illegal aliens, and the morons who got rid of tracking and separate ESL classes.

 

[easyt65]

I blame the system that allows this to occur, the government that has decided not to follow the laws on the books regarding illegal aliens, and the morons who got rid of tracking and separate ESL classes.

I blame the Govt for not securing the borders. I blame the Govt. for not enforcing current laws, which would punish companies from hiring illegals, resulting in no jobs for Illegals, resulting in a lot less illegals coming across the border for jobs. I blame illegals for breaking the laws, coming here illegally, ahead of many who work within the system. I blame the Mexican Govt. for running such a corrupt, miserable country that their people want to leave by the MILLIONS!

In the schools, I blame kids in this country, and their families, who show up at 11 years old and can't speak a word of English, ESPECIALLY if they are ILLEGALS! I am sorry, but our schools, paid for by tax payer dollars, are here for Americans or people here legally! The school system, already under-staffed, under-funded, and under-supplied, is not paid for hiring teachers specifically for kids who don't speak English!

English SHOULD be recognized as this nation's primary language. We should not be FORCED to learn foreign languages in order to communicate with the ILLEGALS who come here demanding freebies and social service program benefits yet refuse to abide by our laws or even attempt to speak English.

I am sorry if I come across as racist - I am not. I also know several languages, to include Spanish and German. I have learned those languages because I do respect those people/culrtures and want to show that I am NOT one of the 'Ugly selfish Americans'. I do get upset at others, though, who want what THEY want, coming here illegally, and have no respect for this country, our culture, our people, and make no attempt to fit in or to learn our language!

IMO, the flags we 1st saw across America during those 1st riots wree what the majority of those 12+ Million Illegals feel - "This is OUR land, and we have come to take it back!" In footage of those marches, I saw Mexicans burning American flags, I saw the Mexican Flag raised above the American flag at several capitols and several schools across this country by AMERICANS (Mexican-Americans or those here with Green Cards). There were even stories of Mexicans who attacked and beat American Protesters who were demanding that the U.S. have a right to decide who comes here and under what conditions.

Coming to another country and refusing to speak that nation's language is just a major sign of disrespect to that country and shows you have no desire to be a part of that country. It shows you are there for what YOU want.

I have no problem with teaching kids, but the problem is just not that simple. There are 12+ Million Illegals draining some $30-40 Million more each year from the economy than they put into it. Having to go out and hire teachers specifically to teach kids who can't speak English is just one of the expenses that contributes to that drain on our economy. I believe in trying to save someone from drowning, but if it means you are only going to drown in the attempt as well, then there is a problem.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

I agree bring back the ESL classes instead of taking kids who don't speak a word of English and plopping them in the regular class. The idea is that if you put the kids who can't speak any English in the regular class they will pick English up quicker but the fact is it slows everyone down and the teacher has two choices....ignore the fact that the kid in the second row doesn't understand a damn thing she is saying or stop and work only with that kid at the expense of all the other kids.

In my kid's school aides spend almost their entire day working with kids who don't speak English. That must be very costly. I don't blame the non-english speaking kids though. I blame the system that allows this to occur, the government that has decided not to follow the laws on the books regarding illegal aliens, and the morons who got rid of tracking and separate ESL classes.

Why should I be paying to educate someone that isn't even a citizen of this country? And on the off chance he is a citizen, why are the parents being allowed custody of a child that was born in this country and still does not know English. Hell thats seems close to negligence in some form if ya ask me.

 

[talloulou]

Why should I be paying to educate someone that isn't even a citizen of this country?

You shouldn't. But since we have decided not to inforce any laws regarding immigration and illegal aliens these children are in our schools. Also some of the children who don't speak English may in fact be legal immigrants.....so are you saying we shouldn't educate those kids until they understand English? There is no real way to get around these students but I do strongly feel they should be grouped together in a class focused on teaching English vs plopped into the regular class setting.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

You shouldn't. But since we have decided not to inforce any laws regarding immigration and illegal aliens these children are in our schools. Also some of the children who don't speak English may in fact be legal immigrants.....so are you saying we shouldn't educate those kids until they understand English? There is no real way to get around these students but I do strongly feel they should be grouped together in a class focused on teaching English vs plopped into the regular class setting.

I am saying that if there illegal we shouldn't be paying to educate them under any circumstances. They shouldn't be allowed in our schools. I they are allowed I see no reason any criminal isn't allowed on school property.

If there citizens and they still don't know english they should be 1.) Taken from the parents. They obviously have no concern for the welfare of the child. 2.) The child needs to be inserted into a seperate class until he learns english. He will fall behind in school but thats the way it goes. 3.) The parents, assuming that they are citizens should then be fined for the cost of there childs english education, thus recouping the cost.

If they are not citizens then they should be jailed and or deported

 

[Kelzie]

I am saying that if there illegal we shouldn't be paying to educate them under any circumstances. They shouldn't be allowed in our schools. I they are allowed I see no reason any criminal isn't allowed on school property.

If there citizens and they still don't know english they should be 1.) Taken from the parents. They obviously have no concern for the welfare of the child. 2.) The child needs to be inserted into a seperate class until he learns english. He will fall behind in school but thats the way it goes. 3.) The parents, assuming that they are citizens should then be fined for the cost of there childs english education, thus recouping the cost.

If they are not citizens then they should be jailed and or deported

I don't know how a citizen can not know English, considering that's what the citizenship test is given in.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

I don't know how a citizen can not know English, considering that's what the citizenship test is given in.

I don't know either ... I was just answering a question

 

[talloulou]

I don't know how a citizen can not know English, considering that's what the citizenship test is given in.

Well you can be here legally on a visa for awhile and it seems likely that some of those here on visas are here with families and kids who need to go to school. Illegal or citizen aren't the only choices you know. And I think it's extreme to suggest someone here on a 2 yr visa with their kid is a bad parent because the child doesn't fully know English yet. I wouldn't move my kids to another country and toss them in school not knowing the native tongue so to speak.....but that's just me. Lots of people do it.