Biden US kicks off - will replace 645,000 cars.

[Juks]

President Biden: We'll Replace The Entire Fleet Of Federal Vehicles With EVs

We examine a statement made by President Biden in which he promised to transition all 645,000 federal vehicles currently in service to electric vehicles.

insideevs.com

It is of course possible to see some logistical difficulties in such a maneuver, and it is certainly no coincidence that Biden did not announce a timetable for when the vehicle fleet will be replaced.

Another interesting aspect is that Biden announced that all electric cars to be taken into federal use must be manufactured in the USA. This should mean happy faces at Tesla, GM and maybe Rivian, among others.

 

[OlNate]

President Biden: We'll Replace The Entire Fleet Of Federal Vehicles With EVs

We examine a statement made by President Biden in which he promised to transition all 645,000 federal vehicles currently in service to electric vehicles.

insideevs.com

It is of course possible to see some logistical difficulties in such a maneuver, and it is certainly no coincidence that Biden did not announce a timetable for when the vehicle fleet will be replaced.

Another interesting aspect is that Biden announced that all electric cars to be taken into federal use must be manufactured in the USA. This should mean happy faces at Tesla, GM and maybe Rivian, among others.

Cool! There's lots to like here. First, Biden is introducing policy that will not only drive jobs in the automotive industry, but residual jobs in setting up the infrastructure required to support EV's. Second, it's creating these jobs in a way that has a positive impact on the environment. It will also encourage the automotive industry to invest in R&D to drive this technology and make it better. Finally, the infrastructure built for government use can also be used by individuals, thus making EV's a more practical proposition for a wider market.

Definitely logistical difficulties, but good hurdles to cross. And, yeah, it does make sense that no timeline was offered.

 

[Steve Case]

President Biden: We'll Replace The Entire Fleet Of Federal Vehicles With EVs

We examine a statement made by President Biden in which he promised to transition all 645,000 federal vehicles currently in service to electric vehicles.

insideevs.com

It is of course possible to see some logistical difficulties in such a maneuver, and it is certainly no coincidence that Biden did not announce a timetable for when the vehicle fleet will be replaced.

Another interesting aspect is that Biden announced that all electric cars to be taken into federal use must be manufactured in the USA. This should mean happy faces at Tesla, GM and maybe Rivian, among others.

At least assembled in the United States.

He said vehicles, not cars or automobiles. Well anyway cars yeah, I expect most of 'em
just drive around town, and that will work just fine. Does he mean military? I really do
hope he's not THAT stupid. Trucks? Get real!

 

[mrjurrs]

President Biden: We'll Replace The Entire Fleet Of Federal Vehicles With EVs

We examine a statement made by President Biden in which he promised to transition all 645,000 federal vehicles currently in service to electric vehicles.

insideevs.com

It is of course possible to see some logistical difficulties in such a maneuver, and it is certainly no coincidence that Biden did not announce a timetable for when the vehicle fleet will be replaced.

Another interesting aspect is that Biden announced that all electric cars to be taken into federal use must be manufactured in the USA. This should mean happy faces at Tesla, GM and maybe Rivian, among others.

Excellent!

 

[ataraxia]

This is a great idea and great news. Thank goodness we finally have someone in the white house who is introducing some thoughtful policies for the interests of the nation and the world, instead of always sacrificing them to their own personal interests.

 

[OlNate]

At least assembled in the United States.

He said vehicles, not cars or automobiles. Well anyway cars yeah, I expect most of 'em
just drive around town, and that will work just fine. Does he mean military? I really do
hope he's not THAT stupid. Trucks? Get real!

It's not that crazy ... 80% of freight in America is transported under 250 miles.

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It's not that crazy. I will agree that there's a lot of work to be done, but it's definitely not insurmountable.

 

[longview]

It is far easier to change the fuel rather than the fleet.
Norway is building the first plant now.
Power to Liquid plant
"The renewable fuel would be generated from CO2 and water using 100 per cent renewable electricity. "
If the fuel releases no new CO2 when burned, it is by definition carbon neutral, and more important sustainable.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Thank God Trump and Andrew Wheeler are in the rear-view mirror.

 

[Juks]

At least assembled in the United States.

He said vehicles, not cars or automobiles. Well anyway cars yeah, I expect most of 'em
just drive around town, and that will work just fine. Does he mean military? I really do
hope he's not THAT stupid. Trucks? Get real!

Well for normal cars, the Audi sedan ( e-tron GT ) can drive 700 km on one charge, that is as good as any petrol car.

Another thing with electric cars is that they are very quit. There hasn't been any production of military vehicles that goes on electricity as far as I know, but wouldn't that be an advantage (to be quit I mean)? In fact they are so quit that the manufactors has been forced to put in extra sound so that they are not dangerous in traffic (pedestrian and cyclists couldn't hear them comming)

 

[ataraxia]

Well for normal cars, the Audi sedan ( e-tron GT ) can drive 700 km on one charge, that is as good as any petrol car.

Another thing with electical cars is that they are very quit. There hasn't been any production of military vehicles that goes on electricity, but wouldn't that be an advantage (to be quit I mean)? In fact they are so quit that the manufactors has been forced to put in extra sound so that they are not dangerous in traffic (pedestrian and cyclists couldn't hear them comming)

I can see how that can be of great military advantage in certain situations.

 

[longview]

Thank God Trump and Andrew Wheeler are in the rear-view mirror.

Well for normal cars, the Audi sedan ( e-tron GT ) can drive 700 km on one charge, that is as good as any petrol car.

Another thing with electric cars is that they are very quit. There hasn't been any production of military vehicles that goes on electricity, but wouldn't that be an advantage (to be quit I mean)? In fact they are so quit that the manufactors has been forced to put in extra sound so that they are not dangerous in traffic (pedestrian and cyclists couldn't hear them comming)

Quiet is relative, I suspect that the sounds from a 45 ton tracked vehicle is only partially from the engine noise.

 

[Steve Case]

It's not that crazy ... 80% of freight in America is transported under 250 miles.

8 electric truck and van companies to watch in 2020 | GreenBiz

Get ready for all-electric heavy-duty big rigs, semi-trucks, box trucks, delivery vans and more.

www.greenbiz.com

It's not that crazy. I will agree that there's a lot of work to be done, but it's definitely not insurmountable.

After a short search - 18 wheelers have 400 to 600 horsepower engines in them - and all that power is used
as those things beller on down the road. 500 horsepower is about a third of a megawatt.

 

[OlNate]

After a short search - 18 wheelers have 400 to 600 horsepower engines in them - and all that power is used
as those things beller on down the road. 500 horsepower is about a third of a megawatt.

Ok... I'm not sure how to respond, though, as I did say that a lot of work needs to be done, but given the short travel distance of most haulage, it's not insurmountable. I wasn't exactly taking a hard stance against what you were saying, just commenting that it doesn't seem as far off as perhaps you may have initially thought.

 

[Bergslagstroll]

President Biden: We'll Replace The Entire Fleet Of Federal Vehicles With EVs

We examine a statement made by President Biden in which he promised to transition all 645,000 federal vehicles currently in service to electric vehicles.

insideevs.com

It is of course possible to see some logistical difficulties in such a maneuver, and it is certainly no coincidence that Biden did not announce a timetable for when the vehicle fleet will be replaced.

Another interesting aspect is that Biden announced that all electric cars to be taken into federal use must be manufactured in the USA. This should mean happy faces at Tesla, GM and maybe Rivian, among others.

Just like big corporations that also are switching to electric vehicles.

Zero emissions for home deliveries

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Amazon's first electric delivery vans are now making deliveries — see how they were designed

The vehicles started making deliveries in LA, with plans to start delivering in 15 more cities by the end of the year.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Visbek]

I am 100% for EVs.

Symbolically, this is important.

As to the details... not 100%. The "Buy American" part is just blatant protectionism, which never works. It practically guarantees higher prices, and won't save American jobs -- as it just encourages other nations to cut back on buying US cars, as they pursue their own "Made In China EVs only" policies.

The other issue is that roughly half of a vehicle's emissions are generated just by building the car. Plus, as they sell off cars, either someone is going to buy them and keep emitting, or they will be junked.

Replacing gas-powered cars as they reach end of service is great. Replacing working gas-powered vehicles with EVs? Less great.

By the way, I read earlier today that Elon Musk is psyched about Biden. I think I see why....

 

[Bergslagstroll]

This is a great idea and great news. Thank goodness we finally have someone in the white house who is introducing some thoughtful policies for the interests of the nation and the world, instead of always sacrificing them to their own personal interests.

Yes there even federal agencies under the scrutiny and control of the Trump administrations warned about the devastating effects of climate change. (Edited line).

Effects

Takeaways Earth Will Continue to Warm and the Effects Will Be Profound Global climate change is not a future problem. Changes to Earth’s climate driven by increased human emissions of heat-trapping greenhouse gases are already having widespread effects on the environment: glaciers and ice sheets...

climate.nasa.gov

So it good that US will join all the other countries and regions that takes action on climate change.

Electric cars rise to record 54% market share in Norway in 2020

The sale of electric cars in Norway overtook those powered by petrol, diesel and hybrid engines last year, with German auto-maker Volkswagen replacing Tesla as the top battery-vehicle producer, new data showed on Tuesday.

www.reuters.com

"Solar and wind energy generation was higher in some European countries. Denmark came out on top, generating 64 per cent of its energy from these renewable sources, closely followed by Ireland (49 per cent) and Germany (42 per cent), according to the report from independent climate think-tank Ember.

In a half-year review released in July by the think tank, all renewables - including wind, solar, hydroelectricity and bioenergy - were found to have exceeded fossil fuel generation for the first time ever. They produced 40 per cent of the EU’s power from January to June with fossil fuels contributing 34 per cent."

Boris Johnson to unveil plan to power all UK homes with wind by 2030

PM vows to make Britain world leader in low-cost clean power with ‘Build Back Greener’ drive

www.theguardian.com

Tasmania unveils action plan to reach 200 per cent renewables

Tasmania Liberal government unveils action plan for 200 per cent renewables goal, including interim target to unlock $7 billion of renewables investment in next decade.

reneweconomy.com.au

 

[Juks]

Yes there even the Trump administrations warned about the devastating effects of climate change.

What?

What does Trump actually believe on climate change?

He has called it all of these things: "mythical", "a hoax", not a hoax, and "a very serious subject".

www.bbc.com

 

[mike2810]

I highly doubt that the replacement will happen for wildland fire vehicles anytime soon. That includes fire engines, water tenders, helicopter support vehicles.

 

[Bergslagstroll]

What?

What does Trump actually believe on climate change?

He has called it all of these things: "mythical", "a hoax", not a hoax, and "a very serious subject".

www.bbc.com

Sorry wrote to fast. That I meant was that even federal agencies, under the control and scrutiny of the Trump administration and Republican climate deniers in Congress, acknowledge the urgent need for action.

Effects

Takeaways Earth Will Continue to Warm and the Effects Will Be Profound Global climate change is not a future problem. Changes to Earth’s climate driven by increased human emissions of heat-trapping greenhouse gases are already having widespread effects on the environment: glaciers and ice sheets...

climate.nasa.gov

 

[Lord of Planar]

President Biden: We'll Replace The Entire Fleet Of Federal Vehicles With EVs

We examine a statement made by President Biden in which he promised to transition all 645,000 federal vehicles currently in service to electric vehicles.

insideevs.com

It is of course possible to see some logistical difficulties in such a maneuver, and it is certainly no coincidence that Biden did not announce a timetable for when the vehicle fleet will be replaced.

Another interesting aspect is that Biden announced that all electric cars to be taken into federal use must be manufactured in the USA. This should mean happy faces at Tesla, GM and maybe Rivian, among others.

Yep.

Political speak that the ignorant masses will consume.

This would be a logistical nightmare with our current progress.

 

[Lord of Planar]

It's not that crazy ... 80% of freight in America is transported under 250 miles.

8 electric truck and van companies to watch in 2020 | GreenBiz

Get ready for all-electric heavy-duty big rigs, semi-trucks, box trucks, delivery vans and more.

www.greenbiz.com

It's not that crazy. I will agree that there's a lot of work to be done, but it's definitely not insurmountable.

OK, riddle me this.

You can fill the fuel tank of a truck in under 10 minutes. It would take probably 2 hours to recharge batteries.

How many more acres do you need for a typical truck stop?

 

[Lord of Planar]

After a short search - 18 wheelers have 400 to 600 horsepower engines in them - and all that power is used
as those things beller on down the road. 500 horsepower is about a third of a megawatt.

How long do you think it takes to recharge batteries large enough to power such trucks?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Ok... I'm not sure how to respond, though, as I did say that a lot of work needs to be done, but given the short travel distance of most haulage, it's not insurmountable. I wasn't exactly taking a hard stance against what you were saying, just commenting that it doesn't seem as far off as perhaps you may have initially thought.

Consider the logistics or recharge time vs. full up time, then consider how that affects the drivers efficiency, land needed for fuels stations, etc.

I never hear the promoters of electric vehicles discuss this serious downside.

 

[phoenix2020]

Consider the logistics or recharge time vs. full up time, then consider how that affects the drivers efficiency, land needed for fuels stations, etc.

I never hear the promoters of electric vehicles discuss this serious downside.

Huh? If people weren't aware of this downside we wouldn't have an entire industry of tens of thousands of scientists and engineers trying to develop high c rate battery electrodes and an entire industry of tens of thousands of workers building out DC fast charge networks as quickly as they can afford to. Everyone knows this is the primary Achilles heel of vehicle electrification.

 

[phoenix2020]

OK, riddle me this.

You can fill the fuel tank of a truck in under 10 minutes. It would take probably 2 hours to recharge batteries.

How many more acres do you need for a typical truck stop?

We need to get to 1 hour charge times and charge stations being co-located where dunnage is loaded. Otherwise there is an economics gap. Now that said, there is an argument that some of that gap (charge time, idle driver, etc.) is covered by lower maintenance of a BEV. Many of the companies moving large commercial fleets to electric calculate maintenance savings as sufficiently offsetting the cost due to charging dwell time.