Biden to require all federal employees to be vaccinated

[Shrink726]

Your thread title is purposely misleading.

In what way, exactly?

 

[ataraxia]

Workplace safety does not rise to the level of Constitutional right.

Sure it does. Where did you hear otherwise? The freedom of speech does not mean you can yell fire in a crowded movie theater.

There is no such thing as unlimited rights, even constitutional ones.

 

[Cope]

No one has the freedom to endanger the lives and health of others.

You know the old definition of freedom: your freedom to swing your arms about freely stops where someone else’s nose starts.

I can certainly see that argument being made.

As I can also see, requiring a drug injected into your body that the FDA has not approved yet.

 

[mike2810]

I can certainly see that argument being made.

As I can also see, requiring a drug injected into your body that the FDA has not approved yet.

not quite true. It has been approved for emergency use. So approval was given.

"The HHS Secretary declared that circumstances exist justifying the authorization of emergency use of drugs and biological products during the COVID-19 pandemic, pursuant to section 564 of the FD&C Act, effective March 27, 2020. The EUAs subsequently issued by FDA are listed in the table below this blue box.
https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-legal-regulatory-and-polic"y-framework/emergency-use-authorization#covid19euas

 

[Cope]

not quite true. It has been approved for emergency use. So approval was given.

"The HHS Secretary declared that circumstances exist justifying the authorization of emergency use of drugs and biological products during the COVID-19 pandemic, pursuant to section 564 of the FD&C Act, effective March 27, 2020. The EUAs subsequently issued by FDA are listed in the table below this blue box.
https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-legal-regulatory-and-polic"y-framework/emergency-use-authorization#covid19euas

Understood, is working a fed government job an emergency use?

 

[ataraxia]

I can certainly see that argument being made.

As I can also see, requiring a drug injected into your body that the FDA has not approved yet.

This is nothing new. Emergency use authorization has long precedent and strict criteria.

From 9/11 to COVID-19: A Brief History of FDA Emergency Use Authorization - Bill of Health

The history of EUA involves fundamental questions about the role of public officials, scientific expertise, and administrative norms in times of crisis.

blog.petrieflom.law.harvard.edu

 

[ataraxia]

Understood, is working a fed government job an emergency use?

Of course it is. You want the department of defense, state department, the CIA, the FBI, and the pentagon closed all down for the foreseeable future?

 

[Shrink726]

I can certainly see that argument being made.

As I can also see, requiring a drug injected into your body that the FDA has not approved yet.

A foolish technicality that everyone recognizes as such. These vaccines are as certain to gain full FDA approval as the sun is going to come up in the East.

That "but it's not fully FDA approved" nonsense is just pathetic.

 

[mike2810]

Understood, is working a fed government job an emergency use?

You tell me.

 

[Cope]

Of course it is. You want the department of defense, state department, the CIA, the FBI, and the pentagon closed all down for the foreseeable future?

Not every government worker has been classified as necessary. Some yes.

 

[ataraxia]

Not every government worker has been classified as necessary. Some yes.

Employers can have any requirement they want. They can require them to come in as Elvis impersonators. You have a problem with that?

 

[Cope]

A foolish technicality that everyone recognizes as such. These vaccines are as certain to gain full FDA approval as the sun is going to come up in the East.

That "but it's not fully FDA approved" nonsense is just pathetic.

There is no nonsense in my post. If it was as sure as the sun coming up in the east, then it would already be approved.

But that is irrelevant to the point I am making.

It is currently not approved. Is it lawful of the government to require an unapproved vaccine as a component of keeping your job.

If you are thinking that the conversation is over, I would ask you to wait and see if any federal employee files a grievance upon termination or suspension for violating this rule.

 

[Cope]

Employers can have any requirement they want. They can require them to come in as Elvis impersonators. You have a problem with that?

Private employers certainly.

 

[VySky]

Thank God I retired in 2016. This is a good way to get some of the government long haulers to retire

 

[justabubba]

Biden is the one throwing the tantrum

show us the video of that tantrum

 

[VySky]

Employers can have any requirement they want. They can require them to come in as Elvis impersonators. You have a problem with that?

As long as EVERYONE has to come dressed like Elvis

 

[ataraxia]

Private employers certainly.

Nope. Even federal government can have dress codes:

https://www.ecityworks.com/federal-government-employee-dress-code

 

[ataraxia]

As long as EVERYONE has to come dressed like Elvis

So EVERYONE has to get vaccinated.

 

[VySky]

So EVERYONE has to get vaccinated.

No, not everyone has to get vaccinated. They still have a choice

 

[justabubba]

Get your shot or find another job... Pro Tip: You will be seeing more and more employers requiring this... Nobody got time for the games any longer...

panthers (former jets) quarterback darnold was proudly proclaiming that he did not get his vaccination

then the NFL advised the teams that they would forfeit games where the unvaccinated became infected preventing the game from proceeding ... and that the affected players would not be paid for that cancelled game

darnold now refuses to state whether he was vaccinated or not, instead insisting he made his own personal decision about it

employees are now seeing how expensive it can be to refuse to get the shot

 

[ataraxia]

No, not everyone has to get vaccinated. They still have a choice

I thought we were talking about federal government mandates for its employees to get vaccinated. They will not have a choice.

 

[VySky]

I thought we were talking about federal government mandates for its employees to get vaccinated. They will not have a choice.

Of course they do. They can say NO

 

[ataraxia]

Of course they do. They can say NO

Sure. And they will be out of a job. Nothing illegal about any of this though.

 

[911Sparky]

Biden requiring people provide their papers to work, I am shocked I say, aside from 77million voters who could have seen this coming

The number of trump voters is kinda like fish story, it grows every time it's told.

 

[Gaius46]

This could be interesting. Either there is a right to privacy in medical matters, or there isn't.

If the administration goes through with this, they could wind up overturning Roe v Wade.

How is any right to privacy implicated here?