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Biden takes a step toward $15 federal minimum wage

Reading comprehension is a plus.
Reading comprehension be dammed. It's simply not possible to derive logic from the illogical no matter how you look at it. All I know is that there doesn't seem to be as much of this ❤ anymore for those "essential workers" we all have been depending on throughout this crisis that are being payed minimum wage in conservative circles.
 
Equal pay for equal work is intended to equalize pay by gender within the same organization, it doesn't apply to wage scales for different employers.

Actually, it's a nothing-burger.

Look at the methodology of the so-called "studies" that claim there is a pay gap. All they did was go to the US Census Bureau website and pull data from men and women by age group and then claim there is a pay gap.

Those so-called "studies" ignore facts, reality and relevant factors.

You have a woman who got her MBA then chose to raise her children at home.

Now she's 45 years and is competing against 45 year-old men with MBAs and 20 years of experience.

Those men with 20 years of experience should be paid more than any man or woman with 0 years experience.

Is that a pay gap? Nope, but the Göbbelists would have you believe it is.
 
No matter what their job is in society, they should have a living wage. You want your burger flipped? They want to pay rent and maintain a car. It's not much to ask; and they don't ask to be paid as if they are doctors. My twenty-six year old cuts hair in L.A. and has to have two roommates in order to have a roof. But people need their hair cut and people need to turn around and pay rent. Telling them to get a better job is irrational, impractical, and just insulting.

But what do you really care? Are you the billionaire that has to do without that third yacht? This tired argument, which has been made far too entirely political, merely masks what is really being protected. The worker or the billionaire donor? This argument goes back to factory owners and workers. Corporations and truck drivers. It's always only been about the actual American doing the work and the business owner who uses politicians to protect his bloated bank account. If business owners cannot make their businesses successful enough to pay their employees a living wage, then their businesses are mismanaged. This is the part where they ask the GOP for a handout, I mean bailout.

As Red Herrings go, that was impassioned, but, you didn't answer the point. If we hike the minimum wage to $15, we will be screwing over millions of the poorest among us, who will become structurally unemployed and unemployable.
 
Increasing the federal minimum wage during a time when businesses are failing because of overbearing restrictions imposed by government is pretty freaking stupid.

What’s next? Solve the issue of illegal immigration by eliminating all immigration laws and opening our borders?
 
As Red Herrings go, that was impassioned, but, you didn't answer the point. If we hike the minimum wage to $15, we will be screwing over millions of the poorest among us, who will become structurally unemployed and unemployable.

Surely, increasing the cost of haircuts would have no negative impact on the demand for barbershops or those who help keep the barbershops clean. Few would ever elect to buy the necessary tools and acquire the skills to cut their own hair or *gasp* pay someone in the neighborhood ‘off the books’ to have their hair cut. ;)
 
Surely, increasing the cost of haircuts would have no negative impact on the demand for barbershops or those who help keep the barbershops clean. Few would ever elect to buy the necessary tools and acquire the skills to cut their own hair or *gasp* pay someone in the neighborhood ‘off the books’ to have their hair cut. ;)
And in Los Angeles.

I get people who Love Big City Life. It's not my gig, but, I understand. But part of the deal is that your standard of living is going to be lower than it would with a comparable income elsewhere.
 
Musk's total compensation package is measured in billions.
Perhaps you should clarify what you're calling his compensation package.
 
A Federal minimum wage might make more sense IF it only applied to Public traded companies.
IMO, the Stock market is where the solution to our economic woes can be found.
A Federal law mandating dividend distributions by companies under certain conditions, including Berkshire Hathaway, would result in quite an increase in taxable income on investors, including myself.
Currently I simply allow the dividends to be reinvested directly to avoid immediate taxation on them while growing my wealth and increasing future dividends.
Investing $10,000 in an IPO sold for $10 a share which trades for $800 a share in the following year would increase your wealth immensely without raising you taxes until you start selling. And suppose the stock were to split 5:1 increasing your holdings from 1,000 shares to 5,000 shares initially worth $160 each and then grow again to $500 per share then worth $2,500,000? Wealth can grow without being taxed and without causing inflation, but taking advantage of it, unlike putting the same amount of money in a bank savings account.

Trump, Biden, or any other named politician, Republican, Democrat, Liberal, Conservative, Left or Right wing, is NOT going to fix any of our economic problems or increase equality of income by increasing the minimum wage and taxing income and redistributing the collected revenue and more (the budget deficit) each year.
 
How about the guy making 595 million a year (Musk)? What does that do to the cost of living?

Why is the cost of living only a factor when the poor would get a bit more?
Because it's not addressing fundamental issues with economic mobility and raises in actual spending power, which have been stagnant since like the 70's. So the min wage can go up to 15/hr but it doesn't increase pay for those who make salary and it doesn't "trickle up". It just raises the bottom end. Eventually, that 15/hr gets inflated away and we're back to square one, except now the middle class is compressed even further and the super rich are still super rich and owning more and more of the American Dream.
 
Because it's not addressing fundamental issues with economic mobility and raises in actual spending power, which have been stagnant since like the 70's. So the min wage can go up to 15/hr but it doesn't increase pay for those who make salary and it doesn't "trickle up". It just raises the bottom end. Eventually, that 15/hr gets inflated away and we're back to square one, except now the middle class is compressed even further and the super rich are still super rich and owning more and more of the American Dream.
IMO $15 an hour definitely trickles up. It's all theory but, if starting tomorrow all minimum wages went up, 99.9% would go back almost immediately into the economy. Life doesn't allow min wage earners to save, they have to spend it just to meet the costs of life. Would it cost jobs? Yes, at least initially. But is it better to have 1 worker that is making headway and one worker out of a minimum wage job, or two workers below the poverty line and eligible to receive government aid?
 
Because it's not addressing fundamental issues with economic mobility and raises in actual spending power, which have been stagnant since like the 70's. So the min wage can go up to 15/hr but it doesn't increase pay for those who make salary and it doesn't "trickle up". It just raises the bottom end. Eventually, that 15/hr gets inflated away and we're back to square one, except now the middle class is compressed even further and the super rich are still super rich and owning more and more of the American Dream.

Nope, it must “trickle up”, otherwise why leave a comfy indoor McJob at a fixed location in which the hours/week are not weather dependent or require the workers to have added skills, tools and wear and tear on their clothing? It’s either offer “trickle up” pay rates or create more ‘jobs that US citizens won’t do’.

Considering that a household with two (or more) full-time $15/hour workers would nearly equal (or exceed) the current median household income virtually requires that “trickle up” to happen.
 
While I can’t argue with the cost of equal housing outpacing general inflation, much of what people consider an increase in the cost of living is not accurately measuring 1980s living expenses as the baseline. For example, only about half of households had cable TV and today consider that as a basic ‘need’.

Another example is cars - they now cost less, have more ‘standard‘ features and last longer.



You're right, about cars.

 
Because it's not addressing fundamental issues with economic mobility and raises in actual spending power, which have been stagnant since like the 70's. So the min wage can go up to 15/hr but it doesn't increase pay for those who make salary and it doesn't "trickle up". It just raises the bottom end.
Raising the bottom end is what we're aiming for.

Eventually, that 15/hr gets inflated away and we're back to square one, except now the middle class is compressed even further and the super rich are still super rich and owning more and more of the American Dream.
Higher minimum wages work where they exist in other countries. Their economies are doing just fine.
 
You're right, about cars.


I’m also right about what folks consider to be a basic need (e.g. cable TV, cellphones and high speed internet services) having changed since the 1980s.
 
The greatest impact will be on minority teenagers who want to take that first step up the ladder of success, but yet have had that first rung yanked out from under them.

Why is it that Democrat policies always impact minority communities the worst (since the 'War on Poverty' destroying the minority family unit), and yet, those same communities continue to vote those same politicians back into office which inflicted those detrimental policies on them?


I'm looking for some form of a definition of "level playing field" that such policies are enacted to achieve. What is the criteria to say " Yup, now it's level"?
 
I'm looking for some form of a definition of "level playing field" that such policies are enacted to achieve. What is the criteria to say " Yup, now it's level"?

Equality of outcome. ;)
 
IMO $15 an hour definitely trickles up. It's all theory but, if starting tomorrow all minimum wages went up, 99.9% would go back almost immediately into the economy. Life doesn't allow min wage earners to save, they have to spend it just to meet the costs of life. Would it cost jobs? Yes, at least initially. But is it better to have 1 worker that is making headway and one worker out of a minimum wage job, or two workers below the poverty line and eligible to receive government aid?
The latter is better by far. People gain experience and skills and move up out of MW jobs. Using government power to lock them out of the job market because we find their current experience and skills set unaesthetic will at best merely expand the underground economy where workers have little to no protection. At worst, we've trapped generations in systematic and legally enforced poverty.

If we want to ensure a better standard of living for our working poor, then it is incumbent on us to provide that. We ought not try to foist off our responsibilities into employers, especially when doing so will harm the very people we are trying to help.
 
The latter is better by far. People gain experience and skills and move up out of MW jobs. Using government power to lock them out of the job market because we find their current experience and skills set unaesthetic will at best merely expand the underground economy where workers have little to no protection. At worst, we've trapped generations in systematic and legally enforced poverty.

If we want to ensure a better standard of living for our working poor, then it is incumbent on us to provide that. We ought not try to foist off our responsibilities into employers, especially when doing so will harm the very people we are trying to help.
I disagree. MW can be a training ground but it is more common to use it to increase corporate profits. Allowing businesses to pay so little our govt has to step in to provide benefits traps workers in poverty and rewards corporate miserliness.
 
I’m also right about what folks consider to be a basic need (e.g. cable TV, cellphones and high speed internet services) having changed since the 1980s.
But many other basic needs have gone up significantly.
 
But many other basic needs have gone up significantly.

Feel free to supply links. The historic, inflation adjusted, high for the federal MW was in 1968. It then allowed the annual full-time equivalent of the MW to be about the federal poverty level for a 3 person household. To do that today would require a federal MW of about $11/hour.
 
Feel free to supply links. The historic, inflation adjusted, high for the federal MW was in 1968. It then allowed the annual full-time equivalent of the MW to be about the federal poverty level for a 3 person household. To do that today would require a federal MW of about $11/hour.
I did.
 
Not lately, could you direct me to the appropriate post #(s).
 
It's funny how Republicans are willing to pay extra for products " made in America", but they're not willing to pay Americans more to produce these products.
 

OK, but that link has nothing to do with the 1980s and, oddly enough, it includes an increase in wages (above general inflation) as being an added cost (despite increasing more than food/beverages). It also does not differentiate between needs and wants, which is extremely important when discussing basic cost of living expenses. For example, considering college tuition as a basic cost of living expense is bit much - it is not in my budget at all.
 
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