Biden proposes banning Chinese vehicles from U.S. roads with software crackdown (1 Viewer)

[Ahlevah]

Looks like China’s plans for selling vehicles in the U.S. hit another speed bump:

The U.S. Commerce Department on Monday proposed prohibiting key Chinese software and hardware in connected vehicles on American roads due to national security concerns - a move that would effectively bar nearly all Chinese cars from entering the U.S. market.

The planned regulation, first reported by Reuters, would also force American and other major automakers in the coming years to remove key Chinese software and hardware from vehicles in the United States.

Biden proposes banning Chinese vehicles from U.S. roads with software crackdown

The U.S. Commerce Department proposed banning key Chinese software from connected vehicles on American roads Monday due to national security concerns.

www.cnbc.com

 

[dmpi]

And people complained about Trump's tariffs. There goes your chance for a $10,000 EV.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I like the policy, but oppose executive law making.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Looks like China’s plans for selling vehicles in the U.S. hit another speed bump:

Biden proposes banning Chinese vehicles from U.S. roads with software crackdown

The U.S. Commerce Department proposed banning key Chinese software from connected vehicles on American roads Monday due to national security concerns.

www.cnbc.com

Good!

 

[RaleBulgarian]

And people complained about Trump's tariffs. There goes your chance for a $10,000 EV.

^ Partisanship over everything, including common sense.

 

[The AntiDonald]

And people complained about Trump's tariffs. There goes your chance for a $10,000 EV.

Except this is about national security, not EVs or the cost of them. It's very similar to the legislation happening with TicToc.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

I like the policy, but oppose executive law making.

SOP for Presidents going back to Washington. Would be a good law, IMO.

 

[Lisa]

Those Chinese vehicles dont meet US safety standards. They are death traps.

 

[Ahlevah]

And people complained about Trump's tariffs. There goes your chance for a $10,000 EV.

We shouldn’t sell our national security soul to China or any other country for money. It agreed to abide by the “post-WWII rules-based international order” when it joined the U.N., but if it wants to destroy it we should at least not let them do it on our dime. Chairman Xi Jinping can sell his malware-tainted cars to his “friend for life,” Vladimir Putin, and they can build their autocrat’s “multipolar” wet dream together, along with all of the world’s other autocrats. Live long and prosper, comrades!

 

[dcsports]

Looks like China’s plans for selling vehicles in the U.S. hit another speed bump:

Biden proposes banning Chinese vehicles from U.S. roads with software crackdown

The U.S. Commerce Department proposed banning key Chinese software from connected vehicles on American roads Monday due to national security concerns.

www.cnbc.com

I'm not sure about the concern they would 'collect information on infrastructure', given that this it all pretty well online. But the potential for spying on people - especially using cars to conduct surveillance, seems to be an interesting one.

The notion of taking over cars and causing accidents as a form of terrorism is a potential problem with any car capable of remote access. The Chinese government could probably hack a chevy or a ford as well as a Chinese brand. It's also kind of unlikely, as using Chinese cars as a form of attack would be devastating to their export business. This is probably better addressed through legislation addressing all cars with this capability.

 

[ScrambledEggs]

I couldn't even tell you a chinese brand car. Do they sell yuge v8s with billbiard sized grillsbi hope so. This is merica

 

[BabaVoss]

And people complained about Trump's tariffs.

Rightly so. Trump’s ideas about tariffs are monumentally crazy and would be severely damaging to our economy. If you believe what he says, he still does not understand how tariffs actually work.

There goes your chance for a $10,000 EV.

I dont want a Chinese EV. I want an American made EV.

 

[Cope]

Rightly so. Trump’s ideas about tariffs are monumentally crazy and would be severely damaging to our economy. If you believe what he says, he still does not understand how tariffs actually work.


I dont want a Chinese EV. I want an American made EV.

At what cost?
This has the exact same effect as a tariff (even if it isn't called that)

 

[BabaVoss]

At what cost?

I have a deposit on Rivian’s next SUV. Target is about $45K. That’s about what I paid for my Toyota 4Runner in 2018. Should be here 2026. Made in the US.

This has the exact same effect as a tariff (even if it isn't called that)

Not really. Tariffs artificially raise prices on consumers.

 

[Napoleon]

The only way to make American EVs competitive is to ban the competition. That’s what this is about.

 

[BabaVoss]

The only way to make American EVs competitive is to ban the competition. That’s what this is about.

Kia, Hyundai, Toyota, etc.

 

[Napoleon]

Kia, Hyundai, Toyota, etc.

None of whom would stand a chance if the market were flooded with Chinese EVs. You can buy a new Chinese EV for as low as $2,000.

 

[Ahlevah]

I'm not sure about the concern they would 'collect information on infrastructure', given that this it all pretty well online. But the potential for spying on people - especially using cars to conduct surveillance, seems to be an interesting one.

I don’t want a Chinese car with Chinese microphones, Chinese GPS, and a Chinese computer potentially sending my conversations and driving locations back to China. Then there’s the issue of Chinese EVs spontaneously combusting. I’m not going to risk burning my house down and risking my life to save a few thousand dollars.

The notion of taking over cars and causing accidents as a form of terrorism is a potential problem with any car capable of remote access. The Chinese government could probably hack a chevy or a ford as well as a Chinese brand. It's also kind of unlikely, as such an attack would be devastating to their export business. This is probably better addressed through legislation addressing all cars with this capability.

Don’t care. Let them sell their crap to other countries that share Chinese “family values,” like dictatorship and abuse of human rights.

 

[Napoleon]

I don’t want a Chinese car with Chinese microphones, Chinese GPS, and and a Chinese computer potentially sending my conversations and driving locations back to China.

But you own a cellphone?

 

[instagramsci]

I don’t want a Chinese car with Chinese microphones, Chinese GPS, and a Chinese computer potentially sending my conversations and driving locations back to China. Then there’s the issue of Chinese EVs spontaneously combusting. I’m not going to risk buying my house down and risking my life to save a few thousand dollars.



Don’t care. Let them sell their crap to other countries that share Chinese “family values,” like dictatorship and abuse of human rights.

No offense but I doubt that you're important enough to spy on

 

[RaleBulgarian]

The only way to make American EVs competitive is to ban the competition. That’s what this is about.

Nonsense.

None of whom would stand a chance if the market were flooded with Chinese EVs. You can buy a new Chinese EV for as low as $2,000.

More nonsense.

 

[Ahlevah]

But you own a cellphone?

Correct, but that phone was not made by snooping Huawei. We kicked them out, too.

 

[Napoleon]

Correct, but that phone was not made by snooping Huawei. We kicked them out, too.

All cellphones are doing surveillance and your data is sold to anyone who wants to pay for it.

 

[upsideguy]

And people complained about Trump's tariffs. There goes your chance for a $10,000 EV.

The difference between Trump tariffs and what we a talking about here is the difference between perversion and safe use (tariffs are tricky, hence dangerous).

Trump has the wrong idea that a tariff is paid for by the government of another country. He thinks he is raising revenue. He wants to broadly (indiscriminately) apply them That is not at all how it works (in fact, its dangerously false, as its paid for by importers, usually US companies, who will try to pass it off via higher price), hence its a perversion of the use of a tariff. The correct use of a tariff, though still highly inefficient, is to protect local industry for predator pricing. A $10,000 EV would threaten the viability of American domestic EV producers. Hence, a specific tariff can serve to protect a fledgling industry.

 

[dcsports]

I don’t want a Chinese car with Chinese microphones, Chinese GPS, and a Chinese computer potentially sending my conversations and driving locations back to China. Then there’s the issue of Chinese EVs spontaneously combusting. I’m not going to risk burning my house down and risking my life to save a few thousand dollars.



Don’t care. Let them sell their crap to other countries that share Chinese “family values,” like dictatorship and abuse of human rights.

All valid concerns.

You bring a good point - they may be more likely to spontaneously combust unintentionally than be used as a terrorist weapon.