Biden Leads Over Trump in Five Battleground States as Much as 12 Points: Poll

[beerftw]

What averages are you looking at?

I would like to know which ones you are looking at since records then were not as well kept in this digital age, but wiki has the poling history for the election, between may and august dukkakis was well ahead, by september he fell behind and by election day he was well behind.

Historical polling for United States presidential elections - Wikipedia


I literally tried searching for the polls that showed bush ahead then, could not find them, as there were much less pollsters then, and the info gathered shows dukkakis had a bigger lead than biden did at this point and still lost.

Bidens lead keeps shrinking and he has had a basement style campaign, I can only imagine if debates were held normally by october his campaign would be tanking fully, as hillary already feels like he is going to lose, and pelosi wanted him to skip the debates, plus this whole mostly silent on riots thing will likely haunt hum come debate time just like horton haunted dukkakis.

 

[Puigb]

I would like to know which ones you are looking at since records then were not as well kept in this digital age, but wiki has the poling history for the election, between may and august dukkakis was well ahead, by september he fell behind and by election day he was well behind.

Historical polling for United States presidential elections - Wikipedia


I literally tried searching for the polls that showed bush ahead then, could not find them, as there were much less pollsters then, and the info gathered shows dukkakis had a bigger lead than biden did at this point and still lost.

Bidens lead keeps shrinking and he has had a basement style campaign, I can only imagine if debates were held normally by october his campaign would be tanking fully, as hillary already feels like he is going to lose, and pelosi wanted him to skip the debates, plus this whole mostly silent on riots thing will likely haunt hum come debate time just like horton haunted dukkakis.

Both RCP and 538 have Biden ahead of Clinton four years ago. The LA times poll that used to have Trump ahead of Clinton four years ago now has Biden ahead now, and for some reason RCP doesn't use them anymore in their averages.

Riots don't necessarily benefit the Republican candidate. There was riots in California in 1992, and Clinton won California later that year.

Any voter, particularly a white voter, that will blame riots occurring under Trump's watch on Joe Biden was going to vote for him any way.

 

[beerftw]

Both RCP and 538 have Biden ahead of Clinton four years ago. The LA times poll that used to have Trump ahead of Clinton four years ago now has Biden ahead now, and for some reason RCP doesn't use them anymore in their averages.

Riots don't necessarily benefit the Republican candidate. There was riots in California in 1992, and Clinton won California later that year.

Any voter, particularly a white voter, that will blame riots occurring under Trump's watch on Joe Biden was going to vote for him any way.

It is not the same latimes poll, the 2016 latimes/usc poll was a tracking pol using the same members over and over, and was an experimental poll, the current one is usc dornsife which is not the same, and still has biden 12-14 points ahead while other polls are putting him anywhere from 1-6 points ahead, so bidens lead is definately shrinking, and he seems to lose points after choosing harris and the convention, basically biden is facing a downward trend he needs to get out of, while people like you would rather jump around like he won and want to ignore the evidence to the contrary as it destroys the mental image in your head that biden is unbeatable.

If you guys want to beat trump you need to take the election serious, not sit around in fantasy land assuming you won and trying to attack any polling that is to the contrary..

 

[Puigb]

It is not the same latimes poll, the 2016 latimes/usc poll was a tracking pol using the same members over and over, and was an experimental poll, the current one is usc dornsife which is not the same, and still has biden 12-14 points ahead while other polls are putting him anywhere from 1-6 points ahead, so bidens lead is definately shrinking, and he seems to lose points after choosing harris and the convention, basically biden is facing a downward trend he needs to get out of, while people like you would rather jump around like he won and want to ignore the evidence to the contrary as it destroys the mental image in your head that biden is unbeatable.

If you guys want to beat trump you need to take the election serious, not sit around in fantasy land assuming you won and trying to attack any polling that is to the contrary..

Nobody is saying Biden is unbeatable. But the actual polls aren't supporting your assertion. Of course you'd dismiss the LA times poll because it doesn't suit your bias. But a recent Harris poll, two of them in fact, has biden 9 ahead. The only recent poll with Biden 1 ahead is Rasmussen, and Rasmussen has still YET to have Trump ahead in one poll. By now in 2016, He was already ahead of Clinton at least once in RCP averages, and a few times in Rasmussen.

Interestingly, since the RNC convention, Rasmussen has had Trump's approval back down to 46%-47%, after being 50-51% during the DNC convention.

 

[MTAtech]

USAToday: The conventions over, Joe Biden leads Donald Trump by a narrower 50%-43% in USA TODAY/Suffolk Poll

The political conventions over, Joe Biden now leads Donald Trump in the race for the White House by 50%-43%, the new USA TODAY/Suffolk University Poll finds. That seven-point advantage has narrowed from the 12-point edge he held in June.
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In all, 28% of the former vice president's supporters say they aren't prepared to accept a Trump victory as fairly won; 19% of President Trump's supporters say they aren't prepared to accept a Biden victory as legitimate.